Picture of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Leaving Scene of Bombing Photoshopped?

Originally posted by ALLTHATIS
I have 8+ years experience in using Photoshop and I have just had a look at the OP's orginal image.
I can confirm that it has been (badly) edited, including use of the blur tool including the hand area (looks like he was carrying something), collar etc which many of you probably already know.

The above Youtube video confirms the following...
By zooming into the OP's zoomed image 700% - 800% and adjust the brightness up/contrast down a bit and invert the image.
There is a clear box/rectangle in the image which starts at the middle/zip area of the jacket, out to the are where the backpack would be and then down towards his legs.

To anyone who denies that he was carrying a backpack or that this image is doctored - get a trial version of Photoshop and see the above evidence for yourself.

Please show use what you have 'graphically' - thank you.

reply to post by kadara_dk


Just my opinion here - (but its an educated one ) - I do not agree with the YouTube authors assessment of Photoshopping in this image. If Dzokhar were running with his back-pack slung on the right shoulder (which is where its always seen) then his right arm would have indicated that by being in the bent position and his hand would have been holding the strap right about where the red arrow is.

Its been my experience that when running with a back-pack on one's shoulder we always hold the hand rather high and tight to the chest so as to get a good grip on the strap therefore holding the pack tight to the body.

In the photo we see him with his right arm too low to have been grasping onto the shoulder strap of a back-pack. Therefore - as I stated once before - I do not think the back-pack was 'shopped' out of the image.

reply to post by ALLTHATIS


I have a little over 20 years professional experience with Photoshop - not # waving, just a fact. Absolutely no way could I say with 100% certainty either way that his image has or has not been manipulated. For example, I could not and would not put my hand on my heart and state categorically that the blur tool (or any other tool) was used. Photoshop does not store any history of that kind as meta data in the file, there is absolutely no way to say with any degree of certainty what has or has not been done to it. Sure, some things do leave tell tales if you know what to look for but even old Photoshop lags are largely guessing "how they did that" when it comes to deconstructing an image. And we do deconstruct, it's not even something you think about. If you've been a professional user for 8 years then I would bet you do the same thing yourself without even thinking about it every time you open a magazine or see a billboard. Photoshop has lots of ways to skin the same cat, I think you will agree. I'm sure you understand my argument.

At the very best, given the poor image quality, whatever one could say in that respect is a guess. This is a very low res image that has been heavily jpeg compressed at source (an iPhone 4s) and then saved down again as a jpeg image - meaning more compression and artefacts as a result . What's more, this is a small detail of the original image that has been quite poorly enlarged and tightly cropped. Anything of forensic value there is long gone, if indeed it ever even existed.

Go and find the full frame image (there are more than enough sources out there) and you will see what I mean. Not dissing your ability man but this whole aspect of the affair is based on a technically questionable premise.

As I wrote this it occurred to me that given this was taken on an iPhone, there's a good chance the original is hanging around in all its untouched glory on an iCloud server in Cupertino or wherever those things are kept. The truth, as somebody once said on tv, is out there

Originally posted by CasaVigilante
reply to post by kadara_dk

 

Just my opinion here - (but its an educated one

) - I do not agree with the YouTube authors assessment of Photoshopping in this image. If Dzokhar were running with his back-pack slung on the right shoulder (which is where its always seen) then his right arm would have indicated that by being in the bent position and his hand would have been holding the strap right about where the red arrow is.

Its been my experience that when running with a back-pack on one's shoulder we always hold the hand rather high and tight to the chest so as to get a good grip on the strap therefore holding the pack tight to the body.

In the photo we see him with his right arm too low to have been grasping onto the shoulder strap of a back-pack. Therefore - as I stated once before - I do not think the back-pack was 'shopped' out of the image

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edit on 29-4-2013 by CasaVigilante because: (no reason given)

that image is wrong he actually has his strap on the otherside can't you tell his bracing his backpack while he is running

reply to post by CasaVigilante


Referencing my post above - In the left side image he's walking and Dzokhar's right arm is bent upwards in the normal position with his hand relatively high on his chest holding the strap. Note that his hand is visible at the point where the jacket flares out. Compare that to the image on the right where the right hand isn't visible.

His hand therefore, should be visible in the right side image, AND since he's running (as he is in that right side image) then I think his hand would have been even higher and tighter to his chest and should surely be visible - more-so than if he were just walking.


The left side image is taken from this short clip video of Dzokhar walking with his brother towards the main scene. Vid is worth watching.


ETA - In the opening frames of the video note how his elbow actually rests on the bag itself allowing for a relatively high hand position close to his chest as seen in this frame - -->

just thought i would share a video I made. something I haven't seen done yet.

Its a slide show of david greens Iphone with Hi Resolution photo overlaid on top, with a fade in of Hi Resolution picture.

will be playing around more with this idea. I will be zooming in on suspect 2 in next video.

In no way I am saying that this is evidence but it certainly looks ironic.

Hey guys better video.


I am leaving it at this one.

Originally posted by amraks
Hey guys better video.


I am leaving it at this one.

I appreciate your efforts here - but is it really a better video? I ask because of a lack of verbal explanation. Could you please add a soundtrack using your own voice? Sorry to complain but presentations such as these (and there are many) without narration and instead with a music track are - in my opinion - not too helpful. In fact - any photograph (or video without narration) presented in these forums without a title, a by-line, or at least a short description is also not helpful. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by CasaVigilante

Originally posted by amraks
Hey guys better video.


I am leaving it at this one.

I appreciate your efforts here - but is it really a better video? I ask because of a lack of verbal explanation. Could you please add a soundtrack using your own voice? Sorry to complain but presentations such as these (and there are many) without narration and instead with a music track are - in my opinion - not too helpful. In fact - any photograph (or video without narration) presented in these forums without a title, a by-line, or at least a short description is also not helpful. Just my opinion.

edit on 1-5-2013 by CasaVigilante because: (no reason given)

I don't need to narrate the video, it explains it all in the description, Clearly you haven't observed what I have done.
The Iphone has been put into perspective, so I could overlay a hi res image and fade it in over Iphone Image.
Simple. its better than better uploading just the Iphone photo and zooming in on it and saying see this.

My video shows where the object is in better detail simple. Sometimes the simple solution is better. I am sure people don't wanna hear me blab blab over it sounding like I am delusional like the rest of the people who are quick to upload conspiracy videos and have no evidence of what they are saying.

Like the video I had to debunk after sandy hook, when they was using face recognition software and got it all wrong.

The answer to what my video is about is for you to decide, not me. So it don't need to be narrated.

I've been working with Photoshop and Illustrator for over 12 years. I also know that store and the entire area extremely well having lived only 5 miles from there for most of my life. I do not see evidence of the photo being manipulated. I believe it is merely the multicolored bricks that cause an illusion. Not to mention, the photo isn't of high quality.

-Kem

reply to post by CasaVigilante


I understand what you are saying but I have to disagree. As I stated and described in the OP (I think), it's pretty obvious in the security photos that his backpack is hanging somewhat low on his back, most likely because the strap is loose, allowing him to hold the front strap rather high. However, and this is where my disagreement comes in, when running or jogging with a backpack in which the strap is more loose, not tight, I normally grab a hold of the strap and almost like the motion of a pulley I pull the strap tight and in a downward motion allowing the bag to move upward and closer to my upper back. This would place the hand across the body and most likely on the opposite side. Maybe even close to his other hand, at least as it swings forward in his running motion.

Obviously this is a disagreement that can't really be solved, everyone does this a different way and it depends on multiple circumstances such as the straps being tight or loose but I just thought I'd reiterate my viewpoint and translate what I see in the picture and video.

Originally posted by kadara_dk
reply to post by tluna1

 

here is a better Press Pic. and the bald guy and white dot are there

Nice picture in this one when blown up you can see fingerprints and dirt/dust and possible scratches all over the screen of that cellphone.

Those wouldn't show up in the picture downloaded off of the phone then used by the press. This explains the missing artifact in the press photo imo. *shrug*

reply to post by PatriotGames2


It also looks like the back of his jacket is to close to his body at the bottom. If that were consistent with the mid-back we may see a bit of light coming through the crux of his elbow, and he wears his backpack low when on one shoulder. I think in high profile cases evidence is manufactured as soon as the guilty is named in this system's reflexive memory.

YEP!

I also found the original of David Green holding his phone up with the picture on it and I quickly cranked up Photoshop, zoomed in, and put it side by side the released copy.

It's clear the FBI photoshopped his gray/white backpack OUT!
s1345.photobucket.com...

The photo of him holding up his iphone is the only accurate record of what is actually on the iphone. This is our only primary source in this investigation.

What the FBI downloaded and then released is a seconday source and should NOT be used as evidence of what David Green photographed.

They had to photoshop his backpack OUT so as to make the case he had dropped his backpack because it supposedly held one of the bombs. Then they released the doctored image as "proof". They have been caught red handed. The Tsarniev defense team also has this information.

The undoctored copy was already on the Internet I assume when the government shifted the blame from the young Saudi man to the Tsarniev brothers after the Saudis interviened or were alerted to his arrest.

The young Saudi is the same one Michelle Obama visited in the hospital by the way.

Hi everyone,

He does have a backpack in this photo but how it was photoshopped is not how everyone thinks. The photoshop was not to hide a backpack on his back, but rather one that he’s holding in his hand. Attached a photo of this here:

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The bag appears to be hanging open, so something was removed. I do believe the brothers are 100% responsible for the bombing. It is interesting that the photo was photoshopped though, but maybe police and FBI just wanted it to look like a slam-dunk, not for people to be asking questions such as “why does he still have a backpack” etc.

Just my thoughts.