Muslim leader tells worshipers to expect questions from public

Muslim leader tells worshipers to expect questions from public

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Maher Hathout stayed up until the wee hours of Friday morning, watching television news coverage of a long, violent night in Boston and the manhunt for suspects in the Boston Marathon bombing.

Hathout, the senior advisor of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, slept only a few hours and woke early to pray. His wife told him the suspects, two young Chechen men, were Muslim, and he soon saw vitriol on Facebook: people saying that they didn’t want Muslims in the country and that they should "go home"

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As most participants in the ATS religious forums know, I am an orthodox and somewhat conservative Christian. After 9/11, I was appalled by the treatment of Muslims by some people in the United States, because they were perceived as "hating America", because some other Muslims, somewhere else, did indeed hate America, for reasons that are completely irrelevant to American Muslims.

I sincerely hope that we don't see a "mini repeat" of that hatred reproduced after the events of the past five days. It is fortunate that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was not killed (as of this posting) and that we may get some answers to the many questions that all of us have, but I suspect that the main question of some (as indicated in the cited article) will be "Is this another radical Muslim terroristic act?"

Whether the answer to that is "no" or "yes", I think it important for us to realize that almost all America Muslims are not radicals, and were every bit as horrified by the actions of these two as non-Muslims were.

For those of us who are religious, the morning newspaper often brings dread, because we are so often maligned with the worst of our fellow "believers", whether they be bomb toting radicals, pedophiles in the pulpit or killers in the name of God.

All theists seek God in their own ways, and we need to recognize that all worshipers of Allah are not crazy bombers, any more than all Christians are pedophile priests. This is not to diminish those who seek to hijack God to their cause and invoke all manners of evil in his name -- it is simply a plea to avoid bigotry and prejudice against those who may not believe what you do, but neither do they support evil.

(Mods, this may be more appropriate in rants or the religious forums, but I wanted to bring in the news article. Feel free to move as you will.)

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I have been very critical of the radical elements of Islam, as anyone should be. But the hatred of a group of people based on what radicals do is not warranted.

Culturally, it seems, Islam is more tolerant to violent Jihad in some parts of the world as polls have shown in the past. However American Muslims are very different, radicalization is not more common here than it is elsewhere, to include Europe. There are many reasons for this.

All of that aside I wish people would take the time to understand the cultural differences that lend themselves to the radicalization process, and to understand what leads to such a mindset might help to create more understanding and sympathy toward the Muslim population of America.

A balanced understanding reads like this:

The vast majority of Muslims in the west are law abiding peaceful people. Some polls show that those who support terrorism could be as high as 20%. Nevertheless, 99.99% don't engage in terror attacks.

But a balanced picture also must take into account the prevalence of Islamic terrorism. More than half of the organizations listed by the state department as terrorist organizations are Islamic. Every country with a majority Muslim population deals with Islamic radicals - from Mali (as we all can see) to Indonesia. Countries with a minority but still sizeable Muslim population, like Russia (in Chechnya), China, India, Israel (Duh) struggle against Islamic militantism.

Islamic militantism is an ideology all its own. Its recruits are mostly from WELL EDUCATED families (as we see in the recent boston bombers), often trained in engineering, or the sciences, and have been impressed by the brand of Islamic spirituality they've been exposed to (mostly Sayd Qutb). For some deranged reason, they think carrying out terror attacks against the 'depraved' west will have some appreciable effect on the overall status quo between Islam and it's competitors (the west and East). It's delusional, of course. But these maniacs clearly believe in it.

As said, these terror attacks happen often enough on US soil for us to take notice. Islamic terror in America didn't end after 9/11. Islamic terror need not be coordinated by a centralized body - such as al qaeda - to be called Islamic terrorism. The Fort Hood shootings was an epode of Islamic Terrorism, although the media has gone to great lengths to sidestep this fact. Nidal Malik Hasan exclaimed "Allahu Akhbar' just before he opened rounds on Army staff at fort hood.

These 2 peckers had also become more religious before they decided to murder 3 innocent people and maim tens of others - after a marathon, to boot. Why did they do this? What sort of amoral religious doctrine sanctions this type of carnage? Well, Wahibism, Salafism, literal-minded interpretations of the Quran. This is what allows certain Muslims to kill fellow worshipers in Iraq; this is why Al Qaeda in Iraq has grown so unpopular amongst the Sunni in that country.

In truth, most Muslims are fine. I know countless Muslims. Some of the nicest people I know happen to be Muslim. However, theres no denying that there is a serious problem in the Islamic world, which is why above all, Muslims, and not Non-Muslims, should be the first to excoriate these sorts of attacks. They should be acknowledging it - they should be raising awareness of it in their communities, that way non-Muslims will understand what is being spoken of, and HOW it is being spoken of, and what we can do to prevent these sort of attacks from occurring again.

Originally posted by dontreally
A balanced understanding reads like this:

The vast majority of Muslims in the west are law abiding peaceful people. Some polls show that those who support terrorism could be as high as 20%. Nevertheless, 99.99% don't engage in terror attacks.

But a balanced picture also must take into account the prevalence of Islamic terrorism. More than half of the organizations listed by the state department as terrorist organizations are Islamic. Every country with a majority Muslim population deals with Islamic radicals - from Mali (as we all can see) to Indonesia. Countries with a minority but still sizeable Muslim population, like Russia (in Chechnya), China, India, Israel (Duh) struggle against Islamic militantism.

Islamic militantism is an ideology all its own. Its recruits are mostly from WELL EDUCATED families (as we see in the recent boston bombers), often trained in engineering, or the sciences, and have been impressed by the brand of Islamic spirituality they've been exposed to (mostly Sayd Qutb). For some deranged reason, they think carrying out terror attacks against the 'depraved' west will have some appreciable effect on the overall status quo between Islam and it's competitors (the west and East). It's delusional, of course. But these maniacs clearly believe in it.

As said, these terror attacks happen often enough on US soil for us to take notice. Islamic terror in America didn't end after 9/11. Islamic terror need not be coordinated by a centralized body - such as al qaeda - to be called Islamic terrorism. The Fort Hood shootings was an epode of Islamic Terrorism, although the media has gone to great lengths to sidestep this fact. Nidal Malik Hasan exclaimed "Allahu Akhbar' just before he opened rounds on Army staff at fort hood.

These 2 peckers had also become more religious before they decided to murder 3 innocent people and maim tens of others - after a marathon, to boot. Why did they do this? What sort of amoral religious doctrine sanctions this type of carnage? Well, Wahibism, Salafism, literal-minded interpretations of the Quran. This is what allows certain Muslims to kill fellow worshipers in Iraq; this is why Al Qaeda in Iraq has grown so unpopular amongst the Sunni in that country.

In truth, most Muslims are fine. I know countless Muslims. Some of the nicest people I know happen to be Muslim. However, theres no denying that there is a serious problem in the Islamic world, which is why above all, Muslims, and not Non-Muslims, should be the first to excoriate these sorts of attacks. They should be acknowledging it - they should be raising awareness of it in their communities, that way non-Muslims will understand what is being spoken of, and HOW it is being spoken of, and what we can do to prevent these sort of attacks from occurring again.

If I could give you more stars I would. Brilliant. Exactly!

How do I follow that???

Blessings,
Cirque

I don't blame all Muslims and I don't blame Islam. I blame radical Islam and I blame these SPECIFIC Muslims. Any rational person would do the same.

What kind of conspiracy theory website is this? Wait, it is not. See Awww.abovetopsecret.com...

Now, if you have your head out of the sand you will realize the following:

1. Of course Muslims are going to be upset and want revenge. Did Santa Claus kill million muslims in the middle-east.

2. Fundamentalist Islam (Salfism, Wahabism) overwhelmingly comes out of ONE country: Saudi Arabia. This country is also a key US alley which means many of these Jihadists such as OBL were trained by the CIA

3. Radicalization of US Muslims happens overwhelmingly by mosques that are given GRANTS by the Saudi government. You could start your own mosque right now and get funding from them. Guess what? They will tell you what to do and radicialze everything.

3. 9.11 was an inside job. That means muslims who want revenge are justified. They didn't start this war. The US did start this war.

At this point, I only see it as the actions of two idiot fools.

Until we know more about why they did this, it's just too quick to blame islam.

I don't see much room for rational thought coming from those who would lay down the blame strictly on their religion, when it might just well be they were simply two evil people.

As of now nothing is known about the Chechen brothers motivations and intent. Were the brothers acting on behalf of an organized cell?

Or was it a random act of violence... like an elaborately planned school / mall / theater shooting, where the intent was to kill as many people as possible... except that a bomb was used. Perpetrators of such acts are always held responsible as individuals but their communities spared from being stereotyped.

In this case, the perpetrators happen to be Americanized Chechen Muslims. What if they were Chechen Christians? Would Americans smear all Christians? Or Chechens in general? Or just dismiss the perpetrator as another unstable individual with mental issues?

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I came across an article that indicated the FBI had questioned the surviving alleged bomber in 2011 at the request of an unnamed foreign government due to concerns regarding the possibility of him having ties to extremist groups and was a follower of radical Islam.

FBI agents interviewed bombing suspect in 2011

HRM on that

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The headline is just stating the obvious common reaction that is fated to happen concisely.

Maher like millions of others stunned in transfixed aghast as the smoke blew clear revealing a fearful new tragedy.

The spiteful messages posted on Facebook from those whose minds are twised coils of dumb wickedness are in vain insignificance - and unworthy of certain respect.

The events that passed were wild and movie scenic, and the next plot for the Hollywood golden ticket. And Muslims are not to blame thats like saying 'the humans are to blame' and that's my observation about this and it is without emotion - just a cold perspective devoid of any particular alliegence to any pre-formatted group nor favour.

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It is unpatriotic and offensive to the sacrifices of our forefathers to support the concept of 'Muslim go home".

Muslim are always welcome in my country, with the same caveat as anyone else: act right.

I will leave the divide and conquer mentality for the simpletons.

How could some people indite a whole faith based on the actions of a few. Why is it these boys were given no fair trail? is that how america works guiilty until proven innocent? lest we forget the past people? islam is a religion of peace people stop relying on your mainstream media and your brainwashing institutions to inform you, research people. anywho let me leave you with something i find interesting about islam Qur'an 5:32 “If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

now for those who have a hunger for knowledge and time on their hands
What is Islam?
A. RELIGION OF UNITY
1. Unity of God
Islam teaches the purest form of Monotheism and regards Polytheism as the
deadliest sin. A Muslim addresses GOD by His Personal Name: ALLAH - the word
"god" and its equivalents in other languages being unstable in the matter of
connotation. Allah, according to Islam, is the one GOD, Who is Indivisible in Person
and Who has no partner: wife, son, or daughter. He is the Matchless and "naught is
as His likeness." "He begetteth not, nor was he begotten." He is the First, the Last,
the Eternal, the Infinite, the Almighty, the Omniscient, the Omnipresent. He is the
Creator, the Nourisher, the Cherisher of all things. He is the All-Just, the Avenger of
the wrongs done to the weak and the oppressed, the Compassionate, the Merciful,
and Loving, the Guide, the Friend, the Magnificent, the Glorious, the Beautiful, and
the True. In short He is the Possessor of all Excellence.
Speaking of the conception of God in Islam, Gibbon, the famous western historian,
says: "The Creed of Muhammad is free from the suspicion of ambiguity and the
Quran is a glorious testimony to the unity of God. The Prophet of Mecca rejected the
worship of idols and men, of stars and planets, on the rational principle that
whatever is corruptible must decay and perish, that whatever is born must die, that
whatever rises must set. In the Author of the universe his rational enthusiasm
confessed and adored an infinite and Eternal Being, without form or place, without
issue or similitude, present to our secret thoughts, existing by the necessity of His
own nature, and driving from Himself all moral and intellectual perfections. These
sublime truths are defined with metaphysical precision by the interpreters of Quran.
A philosophic theist might subscribe to the popular creed of the Muhammadans."
2. Unity of the Universe
From the Unity of the Creator, according to Islam, proceeds the Unity of
Universe, i.e., Unity of Creation and Unity of Purpose. In other words, the
Cosmos is a Moral Order.
3. Unity of Mankind
Islam regards the whole of mankind as an "organic unity" - a single family,
and emphatically says that the distinctions on the mundane plane, the
distinctions namely of race, color, language or territory cannot form the
ground for claims of superiority of one group over the other. The only
distinction that has "value" is that which arises at the moral and spiritual
plains - namely, the distinction of "taqwa," or, "piety and righteousness."
Professor H.A.R. Gibb, the famous English critic of Islam says,
"......Islam.....possesses a magnificent tradition of inter-racial understanding
and cooperation. No other society has such a record of success in uniting, in
an equality of status, of opportunity and of endeavor so many and so various
races of mankind...If ever the opposition of the great societies of the East is
to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable
condition." (Whither Islam? P. 379).
4. Unity of Religion
According to Islam, the human intellect, though a great and powerful asset,
has its natural limits, and, therefore, neither the normative nor the empirical
sciences are capable of leading humanity to a sure knowledge of ultimate
truths and the code of life based upon them. The only source of sure
knowledge open to humanity is, consequently, Divine Guidance, and that
course has been actually open ever since the beginnings of human life on
earth. Allah raised His "Prophets" and "Messengers" and revealed His
Guidance to them for transmission to humanity. Coming from the same
Source, all revealed religions have, therefore, been one, i.e. ISLAM.
Allah's Prophets and Messengers continued to come to every country and
community to work in their respective limited fields. Time after time, the
revealed Guidance was either lost or corrupted through human interpolation,
and new Prophets with fresh Dispensations were sent, and humanity
continued to advance from infancy to maturity was reached - when humanity
was practically to become one family - instead of sectional Guidance, a
perfect, final and abiding Revelation, addressed to entire mankind and for all
time, was granted in the seventh century of the Christian era. CONTINUE ON NEXT THREAD

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CONTINUATION OF LAST THREAD

That Revelation, which recapitulates all former Revelations and thus sets a seal on
the Unity of Religion, is ISLAM; The Scripture which enshrines its is the
HOLY QURAN; and the Prophet who brought it is the Leader of Humanity,
MUHAMMAD (Allah bless him!).
Thus all the Prophets of God, from Adam down to Noah, Abraham, Moses
and Jesus (peace be upon them all), are the Prophets of a Muslim, the Holy
Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him!) being the Last and Final one, and
all the Divine Scriptures are the Scriptures of a Muslim, though he follows
only the Holy Quran because it alone exists in its original purity and it alone
contains the religion of Islam which has been followed by all rightly-guided
people since the day the first human being came into existence.

5. Unity of the Sexes
Differentiation of functions have misled certain cultures of the world to regard
a woman as a being who belongs, so to say, to a different and inferior
species: and to meet out to her inhuman treatment accordingly. Islam
emphatically repudiates that notion and teaches that both man and woman
have sprung from the same essence and the same source and consequently
possess the same human status. Their functions and interests, instead of
being antagonistic, are meant to be complementary. The natural relation
between the sexes, in all its aspects, is therefore, that of love and harmony,
without which no true human progress can be possible.
6. Unity of Classes
Islam aims at the creation of a classless society by eliminating all possible
social conflicts (through revolving the different interests). In the sphere of
economics, Islam lays down the principle that wealth should not be allowed
to circulate among the wealthy only, and envisages, through its laws and
institutions, a "Cooperative Commonwealth of Talent." In the political sphere,
Islam stands for the Cooperative Commonwealth of the Pursuers of
Righteousness.
Taken as a whole, the Islamic state is a "welfare state" where sovereignty
belongs to Allah alone and no human being has a right to govern other
human beings except in the name of Allah and according to His Will, and
where nobody, not even the Head of the State, is above the law, Absolute
Justice is the watchword and the Establishment of Righteousness is the goal.
The merits of Islam's social ethics have elicited praise even from the
otherwise hostile critics. For instance: H.G. Wells says: "Islam created a
society more free from widespread cruelty and social oppression than any
society that had ever been in the world before" (Outline of History, p. 325).
H.A.R. Gibb says: "Within the Western world Islam still maintains the balance
between exaggerated opposites. Opposed equally to the anarchy of European
nationalism and the regimentation of Russian communism, it has not yet
succumbed to that obsession with the economic side of life which is
characteristic of present-day Europe and present-day Russia alike." (Whither
Islam? p. 378). Prof. Louis Massignon says: "Islam has the merit of standing
for a very equalitarian conception.... it occupies an intermediate position
between the doctrines of bourgeois capitalism and Bolshevist communism"
(Whither Islam? p. 378).
7. Unity of Human Activity
Islam conceives of the human personality as a "unity" and consequently regards the
distinction of "secular" and "religious" as unscientific, irrational and absurd. The life
of a Muslim, both in its individual and social manifestations, is a life for God and God
alone. "Islam," says Dudley Wright, scholar of Comparative Religion, "is no mere
creed; it is a life to be lived. In the Quran may be found directions for what are
sometimes termed the minor details of daily life, but which are not minor when it is
considered that life has to be lived for God. The Muslim lives for God alone. The aim
of the Muslims is to become Godbound, and to endeavor to advance the knowledge
of God in all his undertakings. From the cradle to the grave the true Muslim lives for
God and God alone."
A. RELIGION OF "SUBMISSION TO THE DIVINE WILL"
The word "Islam" means "submission" and, as a religious term, it connotes
"submission to the Divine Will and Commands." As such, ISLAM is coextensive
with NATURE. For, everything in Nature submits to the Divine Will
without demur. The only exception is man. He has to choose "Islam" through
his free will and thus to attain his destiny by falling in line with the rest of
God's Creation.
Goethe, the renowned poet-philosopher of Germany, says:
"Naerrisch, dass jeder in seinem Falle
Seine besondere Meinung priest!
Wenn Islam Gott ergeben heisst,
Im Islam leben und sterben wir alle"
Viz:
"It is lack of understanding that everyone praises own special opinion; (for)
Islam means submission to God and in Islam we all live and die."

CONTINUED ON NEXT THREAD LAST ONE I PROMISE LOL

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B. RELIGION OF NATURE
The above statement brings out, and the Holy Quran emphasizes in clear
terms, that to be a Muslim is to live and grow in accordance with true human
nature and in harmony with the Nature around. Islam, thus, means
conformity to the Natural Law.
C. RELIGION OF DISCIPLINE
The concepts of Submission to the Divine Will and Conformity to the Natural
Law, when actively realized in human life, give rise to the healthiest form of
DISCIPLINE and Islam is the religion of Discipline par excellence.
In the famous book; "First and Last Things," H. G. Wells says:
"The aggression, discipline and submission of Muhammadanism makes, I
think,........fine and honorable religion for men. Its spirit, if not its formula, is
abundantly present in our modern world... I have no doubt that in devotion
to a virile...Deity and to the service of His Empire of stern Law and Order,
efficiently upheld, men have found and will find salvation."
The German Orientalist Friedrich Delitzsch admits that the Muslim shows
"owing to his religious surrender to the Will of God an exemplary patience
under misfortune and he bears up under disastrous accidents with an
admirable strength of mind." (Die welt des Islam, p. 28).
D. RELIGION OF TRUTH
The concept of "Truth" forms the keynote of Islamic ideology and pervades
the entire universal order presented by Islam. Not only is "truthfulness" a
fundamental value in the elaborate Islamic Moral Code - a value which forms
the foundation - stone of Muslim character, but God Himself has been
mentioned in the Holy Quran as "The Truth," or "the True," the Holy Prophet
Muhammed (God bless him!) as the "Bearer of Truth," the Quran itself as
"the Truth," and the abode of the righteousness after death as the "Seat of
Truth."

E. RELIGION OF TEMPERANCE
Islam is the religion of Purity and Temperance par excellence. It stresses
purity not only of the mind and the heart, which certain other religions also
stress, but also of the body, its fundamental principle being the harmonious
development of human personality. Consequently; it strictly prohibits the use
of all drinks and foods which might be unhealthy and injurious to the body, or
the mind or both. Thus its prohibitive injunctions cover not only all the
intoxicants, e.g. , wine, opium, etc., but also those foods which are harmful
to healthy human growth. Ultimately, Islamic Temperance covers all evil
thoughts, feelings and deeds.
F. RELIGION OF BEAUTY
Unlike certain religions, Islam is not the religion of contempt for the world, of
the negation of any fundamental value. It is positively and definitely a religion
of fulfillment - fulfillment of all the faculties and positive capabilities with
which God has endowed man. Aesthetic culture, therefore, forms part of
Islamic life - of course, governed and controlled by Islam's moral and spiritual
principles. In Islam the concept of "Beauty" permeates the entire human
activity - nay, the whole cosmic order. "Allah," says the Holy Prophet
Muhammed (peace be with him!), "is Beautiful and loves what is beautiful."
Beauty in thought, word and deed, and beauty in all creative activity is the
Islamic ideal.
Islam permits the creation of Art, within the limitations of its spiritual and
moral framework. But its motto is not "Art for the sake of Art" but "Art for the
sake of Life," whereby alone a true blending of spiritual, moral and physical
beauty - the rational and harmonious goal of human life - is achievable.
G. RELIGION OF REASON
Islam regards Reason as man's distinctive privilege and God's noble gift, and
the Holy Quran has repeatedly exhorted mankind to employ Reason in the
matters of social and natural phenomena and in understanding its Message
and practicing its Guidance, thus giving to "personal judgment," its due place
in the life of a Muslim. "Intellectual Culture" in general, forms one of the
noblest pursuits of human life in Islam and the acquisition and cultivation of
knowledge has been made obligatory upon every Muslim man and woman.

ONE LAST POST I SWEAR :/

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CONTINUATION FROM LAST POST

H. RELIGION OF THE NEGATION OF SUPERSTITION
Islam is a positively rational religion and stands opposed to the mystery cults and
religions of mysterious dogmas whose acceptance is generally claimed on the basis
of blind faith. Speaking of the negation of superstition and the affirmation of Reason
in Islam, Godfrey Higgins says: "No relic, no image, no picture, no mother of God
disgrace his (Muhammad's) religion. No such doctrines as the efficacy of faith
without works, or that of a death-bed repentance, plenary indulgences, absolution or
auricular confession, operate first to corrupt, then to deliver up his followers into the
power of a priesthood, which would of course be always more corrupt and more
degraded than themselves. No indeed! The adoration of one God, without mother, or
mystery, or pretended miracle, and the acknowledgement that he, a man, was sent
to preach the duty of offering adoration to the Creator alone, constituted the simple
doctrinal part of the religion of the Unitarian of Arabia." (Apology for Muhammad).

About the Author:
Dr. Muhammad Fazlur Rahman (Rahmatullahe Alaih) was a well know Islamic
theologian, a scholar of Muslim and Modern Philosophy, Comparative Religion,
Psychology, and Social Sciences. As a missionary, he traveled round the earth for the
spiritual and moral uplift of different Muslim communities. He was the founder of
World Federation of Islamic Missions in Karachi, Pakistan. He was a Qadriyya shaykh,
and to his credit he has a large number of publications on Islam

Dont care about religions own personal worship or what ever they believe
to be their god,.they all have their rights.
However, it seems that maybe it would be best if each religious community
stayed in their country of origin, avoiding potential hatred for other religions.

Also, it should be the muslim community that should work extra hard to seek
these radicals and reshape their minds to not wish harm to others,.

Seems the family of these kids knew something was up with them but turned
the other way.Again,. all comes down to parenting,. if the parents dont wish to
address the issue with the children,. when the child commits the crime, the parents
are just as guilty.

Have to wonder if the Uncle was admitting to these kids as loosers due to disgust,.
or if it was an act of blending in and CYA.

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So according to you all the whites should head back to europe and evacuate north america austrailia south africa Israel and new zealand? they are christians correct? a majority anyways, the earth belongs to all humans my friend

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actually i agree all the christian invaders the raped and plumiged north america and commited the biggest genocide in history should be sent back to where they came from oh ya send back all those ashkenazi and khazar jews back to russia and germany and get the hell out of PALESTINE

Deranged fanatics should look into last 50 or so years of history and conclude that terrorism HAS NOT gained the agenda for which they have been fighting for. Until and unless, terrorists are backed by some big country, the efforts are mostly useless and good only in gaining 'more hatred' and 'suspicion' from others.

In the case of radical Islamics of today, I cannot understand why 'TO LOVE THEIR GOD SHOULD MEAN HATRED TOWARDS OTHER RELIGIONS'.

I think US should employ a policy of 'very detailed scrutiny' of any person from certain countries before even being granted a visitor's visa. Extra costs of this scrutiny will result in higher application fees for visa. Similar practices from other western nations should also follow up.