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By this point, there really should be no doubt in anyone's mind that torture was widely used during the last administration -- and that nothing like that should ever happen again.
The new, comprehensive report out today from an august, bipartisan commission goes a long way toward making that abundantly, authoritatively clear, laying the blame fully at the feet of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and other top officials.
There's also a matter of law. That U.S. officials involved with detention in the CIA's black sites committed war crimes and violated interntional law, which the report concludes to be self-evident, isn't something Obama is allowed to ignore.
It actually violates the U.S.' legal obligations under the international Convention Against Torture, which requires each country to "[c]riminalize all acts of torture, attempts to commit torture, or complicity or participation in torture," and "proceed to a prompt and impartial investigation, wherever there is reasonable ground to believe that an act of torture has been committed in any territory under its jurisdiction."
The report notes the "crucial support" to the torture regime provided by people in the medical and legal fields, which it says raises "profound ethical questions for both professions."
And weighing into territory recently plowed during the debate over the movie Zero Dark Thirty and its depiction of torture as providing useful information, the report notes that there is no evidence to support that view, and points out that the people saying torture worked have "inherent credibility issues," one of which is that they are the ones "who actually who authorized and implemented the very practices that they now assert to have been valuable tools in fighting terrorism."
After a two-year investigation, bipartisan legal research and advocacy group the Constitution Project released a report confirming that the United States engaged in torture after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Jeffrey Brown talks to two of the report authors, former congressman James Jones and retired Army Brig. Gen. David Irvine.
Originally posted by sdocpublishing
Wait a minute.
Does anyone still question if the United States government tortured anyone or not? I thought that discussion was over.
The government and media changed the nomenclature to "Enhanced Interrogation" and water-boarding has been admitted, call it what you want, it's torture. Please don't forget Hannity offered to be water-boarded for charity and claims it is not torture. The majority of the media supported torture by denigrating those against it and changing the conversation to one that tried to legitimize the practice.
Citizens of other nations experienced extraordinary rendition, released and told publicly that they experienced torture and initiated law suits for their experience. They were taken to those places that don't exist by squads that don't exist and then tortured in ways we don't engage in.
In summary I am surprised this is still news in the media, I thought the conversation was over.
Edit: And I agree, no one will ever be held responsible or prosecuted.
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Originally posted by sdocpublishing
Please don't forget Hannity offered to be water-boarded for charity and claims it is not torture. The majority of the media supported torture by denigrating those against it and changing the conversation to one that tried to legitimize the practice.
Originally posted by sdocpublishing
Citizens of other nations experienced extraordinary rendition, released and told publicly that they experienced torture and initiated law suits for their experience. They were taken to those places that don't exist by squads that don't exist and then tortured in ways we don't engage in.
In summary I am surprised this is still news in the media, I thought the conversation was over.
Edit: And I agree, no one will ever be held responsible or prosecuted.
Originally posted by elfrog
I know that somehow we as a nation (US) are supposed to be above this sort of thing, but waterboarding is scarcely real torture. It's easy to fake distress in a situation where there is no physical damage.
Originally posted by elfrog
If you want to know what real torture is like, talk to some of the Vietnam War Veterans (POW) that spent 7-8 years in captivity confined in a cage on the ground with biting insects, rats and other vermin crawling over you and beaten on a regular basis just for kicks.
Originally posted by Danbones
Hi Flatfish
Ive had this topic up for a couple days now
and
what amazes me is the lack of attention this topic is getting
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I am not nesessarily saying this is a duplicate thread either I just want this out front
when people talk of justice especially here, I'm wondering why that justice doesn't apply to the victims of these war crimes?