Department of Homeland Security Insider Update: "It Has Begun."

Looking on ATS today... with all the "IT has began" and "Arrest the traitors" Kinda reminds me of the US national anthem, how does it go again

"And the land of the......Fear"
"And the home of the .....Naive"

Its quite simple..... Russia has amassed a large force on the Alaskan border. Any type of activity in the US ..e.g civil war, disruption that requires millitary intervention(like mentioned you would rather face than giving up your fire arms) Your country won't be your country any longer. Priorities will be securing ordinance...plain and simple as a Nuclear Arsenal in a country that is in the grips of a civil war or unrest is not a Safe Nuclear Arsenal.... So US citizens and it's government better think long and hard and way up the options....

PS... It's been 68 years now and still a lot of Americans don't understand the differences between Socialism and Communism... 68 years Seriously

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by neo96
Thanks for the laugh and want to explain to me why it is that no other economic model known in world history has lifted billions of people out of poverty, and advanced the world to the current technological progress?

Capitalism has put more people into poverty than it has made rich.

You have a twisted perspective of reality because you have been conditioned that way by the lies we are taught, and you in a wealthy country.

What other economic model do you want to compare with? Capitalism has been the dominant economic system since we were forced off the land in the 1700's. It doesn't mean we would not have developed without it. In fact at the end of feudalism the 'commoners' (none-land owners) were doing quite well and their wealth was approaching that of the land owners. This is why the land owners had the enclosure laws enacted, because they felt their power, and control, was being threatened. The enclosure laws forced the commoners off the land, and were forced into factories and mills in order to survive. So instead of autonomy and liberty the commoners became the working class, and exploited to make the land owners incredibly wealthy. We went from working our own plots of land to wage poverty.

Yes capitalism has brought us wealth, but it also bought us global war, poverty, breakdown of society, property crime, the modern state system, wealth for a minority class who control the rest through economic control of politics. If capitalism worked so well then why does the rich poor divide keep getting wider?

There is nothing wrong with money, making money, the problem is in the ownership of the means to produce, and the mass inequality in wealth it causes. Its the mass inequality in wealth that makes the majority slaves, and minority privileged class. In reality we have the infrastructure capable of making us all fat and happy.

edit on 3/24/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

Straight out of the marxist playbook.
You can't stand next to a communist country and a capitalist country and claim that communism is better.
You do however demostrate that the driving engine of communism is envy.
Like Obama, who grew up hating this country, full of envy.
Of course its not about communism or capitalism, communism is a stalking hourse for the elite, whose real
intent is a worldwide system of fudalism, with themselves at the top.
The elites lost control for awhile, with the opening of the free world, but they are regaining it, and the system they always prefer is fudalism.
And if you think the last dark age was bad, imagine one with high tech controlled by a elite few

This video belongs in this thread imo and has voiced many thread topics here on ATS



All the sources are below the video.

It seems like the US government departments are preparing for something major on the horizon (less citizen rights/disarming and more power to Gov)

As the saying goes "When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches the cold" and I`m wondering if this could eventually lead to a One World Monetary System if America was to collapse and that this is by design.

I was watching an episode of Sons of Guns a few weeks back, and in it a Sheriff handed them a British armoured vehicle that needed to be converted to be a good crowd control vehicle.

Thought it was a bit strange.

Originally posted by steven2977

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by neo96
Thanks for the laugh and want to explain to me why it is that no other economic model known in world history has lifted billions of people out of poverty, and advanced the world to the current technological progress?

Capitalism has put more people into poverty than it has made rich.

You have a twisted perspective of reality because you have been conditioned that way by the lies we are taught, and you in a wealthy country.

What other economic model do you want to compare with? Capitalism has been the dominant economic system since we were forced off the land in the 1700's. It doesn't mean we would not have developed without it. In fact at the end of feudalism the 'commoners' (none-land owners) were doing quite well and their wealth was approaching that of the land owners. This is why the land owners had the enclosure laws enacted, because they felt their power, and control, was being threatened. The enclosure laws forced the commoners off the land, and were forced into factories and mills in order to survive. So instead of autonomy and liberty the commoners became the working class, and exploited to make the land owners incredibly wealthy. We went from working our own plots of land to wage poverty.

Yes capitalism has brought us wealth, but it also bought us global war, poverty, breakdown of society, property crime, the modern state system, wealth for a minority class who control the rest through economic control of politics. If capitalism worked so well then why does the rich poor divide keep getting wider?

There is nothing wrong with money, making money, the problem is in the ownership of the means to produce, and the mass inequality in wealth it causes. Its the mass inequality in wealth that makes the majority slaves, and minority privileged class. In reality we have the infrastructure capable of making us all fat and happy.

edit on 3/24/2013 by ANOK because: (no reason given)

Straight out of the marxist playbook.
You can't stand next to a communist country and a capitalist country and claim that communism is better.
You do however demostrate that the driving engine of communism is envy.
Like Obama, who grew up hating this country, full of envy.
Of course its not about communism or capitalism, communism is a stalking hourse for the elite, whose real
intent is a worldwide system of fudalism, with themselves at the top.
The elites lost control for awhile, with the opening of the free world, but they are regaining it, and the system they always prefer is fudalism.
And if you think the last dark age was bad, imagine one with high tech controlled by a elite few

Wow, this is really, really boring and insulting to anyone capable of thinking.

First, you didn't define on what scale the comparision between those two countries should be based upon - median monetary value of the people? Algebraic average monetary value? There are simply so many different possible scales that everyone could find one which works in his ways. Therefore, no comparision on an objective is possible.

Then you tell us that Obama grew up hating your country - in which redneck-contaminated country club for rich white people did this nice little gem come up? *head shakes*

Oh, and then you tell us about the elite of communism wanting to live their lives in feudal style - how is that different to any, ANY really rich bastard on this planet?

If your comment displays the average US-republican insight in politics, it is obvious that the GOP (haha) has lost their grip on reality, and might never be able to revover unless they try to discover that minorities are turning into majorities. Think "homosexual-marriage", think "latino as a majority", think "black persons in positions which should belong to the right people". Anything about that turning your stomach inside-out? Too bad.

Welcome to the 21st century.

Originally posted by WP4YT

I have a gut feeling they are going to replace the nations police forces with the DHS, nation wide. I think they are just giving it a trial run in the already oppressive state of NY, first.

If they can make it there. They can make it anywhere....

second.

reply to post by DreamerOracle


It's land of the naive and home of the slaves, get it right.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and call total bull sh!t. These fear mongering threads are a dime a dozen, so why should I take this more serious than the others? We couldn't even control Afghanistan. The government, tried to overthrow the people? Really? I think you'll find more factual stuff to read in the prophets area. Seriously though, I hope they go after all the people with guns. That would be very entertaining not to mention amusing.

reply to post by ManFromEurope


How did you make this about evil racists republicans? You are exposing your political bias are you not? I think most of us agree that both parties are corrupted. Even the holier than thou can be oppressed.

When Gubbmint ordered an extravagant 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, that means Gubbmint can pick and choose when they want to confiscate the orders of ammo coming off the assembly lines.

That means Gubbmint....who has first choice of whatever comes off the assembly line....can shut down the assembly line at any time they wish.

As of now, Gubbmint is keeping the flow of ammo off the assembly lines to a trickle. They can shut down the entire ammo distribution in a Spider Man's Flash.

To make it worse for the ammo consumer, Gubbmint can order another 12 billion rounds of ammo to keep the assembly lines permanently shut down to the citizen.

How can Gubbmint do this and you can't? Gubbmint is using your tax dollars to confiscate the ammo.

Originally posted by coltcall
When Gubbmint ordered an extravagant 1.6 billion rounds of ammo, that means Gubbmint can pick and choose when they want to confiscate the orders of ammo coming off the assembly lines.

That means Gubbmint....who has first choice of whatever comes off the assembly line....can shut down the assembly line at any time they wish.

As of now, Gubbmint is keeping the flow of ammo off the assembly lines to a trickle. They can shut down the entire ammo distribution in a Spider Man's Flash.

To make it worse for the ammo consumer, Gubbmint can order another 12 billion rounds of ammo to keep the assembly lines permanently shut down to the citizen.

How can Gubbmint do this and you can't? Gubbmint is using your tax dollars to confiscate the ammo.

There is still plenty of ammo out there, you just have to pay a big premium for it, or get lucky and be in the right place when they put it on the shelves. I expect we will see ammo prices double again from here. It should be very clear to all but the most clueless that the government knew exactly what they were doing when they created this panic. I suppose it's just a coincidence that it happened when we are looking at another financial collapse they can't print their way out of.

Originally posted by Ikema
I'm going to go out on a limb here and call total bull sh!t. These fear mongering threads are a dime a dozen, so why should I take this more serious than the others? We couldn't even control Afghanistan. The government, tried to overthrow the people? Really? I think you'll find more factual stuff to read in the prophets area. Seriously though, I hope they go after all the people with guns. That would be very entertaining not to mention amusing.

Fear mongering? So you are saying the facts don't count? But history has shown many times the majority fail to see the truth until it's too late. What you need to ask yourself is what percentage do you give those of us who say there is something to worry about? Looking at the facts, any logical person would say the odds of another financial meltdown are 100%. But let's say you're really skeptical, and give it only a 10% chance. What will you do if you're wrong?

It won't be the people who prepared and have guns that will be the problem. It will be all the lemmings who didn't see it coming that will riot and need to be controlled. The 47% living off government handouts will be the first to suffer. There is currently a run on guns and ammo. Next it will be banks, and then food.

Wow. You all reek of fear. Except for a few posters in this thread. Tadaman comes to mind. I agreed with all his posts on this matter.

We outnumber the elite 1000's to 1. They have no power over you, save what you let them have.

Peace,
Cirque

Originally posted by vtr99

Originally posted by Ikema
I'm going to go out on a limb here and call total bull sh!t. These fear mongering threads are a dime a dozen, so why should I take this more serious than the others? We couldn't even control Afghanistan. The government, tried to overthrow the people? Really? I think you'll find more factual stuff to read in the prophets area. Seriously though, I hope they go after all the people with guns. That would be very entertaining not to mention amusing.

Fear mongering? So you are saying the facts don't count? But history has shown many times the majority fail to see the truth until it's too late. What you need to ask yourself is what percentage do you give those of us who say there is something to worry about? Looking at the facts, any logical person would say the odds of another financial meltdown are 100%. But let's say you're really skeptical, and give it only a 10% chance. What will you do if you're wrong?

It won't be the people who prepared and have guns that will be the problem. It will be all the lemmings who didn't see it coming that will riot and need to be controlled. The 47% living off government handouts will be the first to suffer. There is currently a run on guns and ammo. Next it will be banks, and then food.

Fearmongering BS runs rampant here. Having facts is a good thing, as is the ability for others to check those facts. But when you get ignorant individuals posting crap like "OH NOS, THE DHS IS ORDERING 2700 MRAPS!", it is EASILY proven wrong and gets tossed into the circular file with other fearmongering BS.

Not everything posted in here is fearmongering, and I dont think anyone would make that claim. But when you have things such as the above getting posted as fact, it tends to destroy a lot of credibility.

A billion is a thousand million.

1.6 billion rounds of ammo is a thousand six hundred million rounds of ammo.

1.6 billion rounds owed to the Gubbmint means the Gubbmint can shut down ALL sales to the public whenever the Gubbmint wants to start collecting on their 1.6 billion rounds.

If the Gubbmint needs to buy another billion rounds....or a thousand million rounds....the Gubbmint will continue to use taxpayer dollars to further shut down the sale of ammo across the board to American citizens.

On a moment's notice.

A moment being sixty seconds or less.

Originally posted by coltcall
A billion is a thousand million.

1.6 billion rounds of ammo is a thousand six hundred million rounds of ammo.

1.6 billion rounds owed to the Gubbmint means the Gubbmint can shut down ALL sales to the public whenever the Gubbmint wants to start collecting on their 1.6 billion rounds.

If the Gubbmint needs to buy another billion rounds....or a thousand million rounds....the Gubbmint will continue to use taxpayer dollars to further shut down the sale of ammo across the board to American citizens.

On a moment's notice.

A moment being sixty seconds or less.

Take note that there are over 14 billion rounds of small arms ammunition produced annually (worldwide), with roughly 5.5 billion of that being inside the US.

Even though that 1.6 billion number covers a total of a 5 year period for the longest of the contracts, lets say that they were to want that all this year. 5.5 billion - 1.6 billion = 3.9 billion left for the average gun owner to buy.

So, if there's a shortage right now, what does math tell you?

Well, I guess there's no further point in posting in this topic. I asked a very simple question three times over the course of three days, and no one could even bring themselves to reply, "I honestly don't know." I could offer speculation as to why I think that is, but that would be all it was: speculation. And that serves neither myself nor anyone else here.

I would just like to note that this total lack of response is the third topic in recent memory where this has happened, as well. It's just frustrating. Anyway. Carry on.

Peace.

reply to post by flyswatter


The math tells me you are having a helluva time finding and buying ammo.

Now, you want to do quantum string theory? A bullet particle can split in tow. If one bullet particle at one of the universe becomes scarce to you, then the other bullet particle at the opposite end of the universe is likewise scare to you.

1.6 billion rounds of ammo is roughly three times more than all the ammo fired by our troops in the Iraq-Afghan War over the past ten years.

reply to post by AceWombat04


Nobody knows the answer to your question?

Of course, I don't know what you asked. So, I'm just speculating.

Originally posted by AceWombat04
So, I've asked this question once, and then a second time, and have yet to receive a single reply. So I'll ask one last time.

Who is the author of this Before It's News piece? Why are they credible? Who is their high level source? Is there any evidence the latter exists and is credible?

If the answer to this question is, "I don't know," can someone find it within themselves to say so at least?

Peace.

Yeah. I don't know who the author is.