Does Antiwar Crowd Care About Vets Scathing Letter to Bush and Cheney....No. They No Longer Care...

reply to post by MystikMushroom


You are correct that as the world's population increases, socialism will become more necessary.

BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE GOING TO BECOME SOCIALISTS.

Yes, indeedy. It'd be an ugly sight to see all those socialists starving in the streets. Even if they dug their own cushy sofas with Twinkie wrappers.

Yeah. Socialism is a necessary evil in America. And the food stamp card does keep the cash flow going to the farmers. And there are a lot of welfare checks cashed in the Walmarts. It's all about cash flow. It even pays the bills to the drug dealers.

We've come to accept the evil necessity of an overpopulated world.

BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE ARE GOING TO BECOME SOCIALISTS.

When the day comes that nobody on this planet has a choice.....Wait! That'd be the Thousand Year Reich!! Is that thing coming back??

reply to post by Echtelion


Blah...Blah...Blah...it's all fascism.

Okay...I'll take the fascism with the Second Amendment.

You take the fascism where the Mongol hordes come riding down on your defenseless village to steal your crops and to bind you all up to be taken and sold into slavery.

Mussolini did make the trains run on time.....

reply to post by coltcall


IMO, your entire OP is nothing more than the rantings of a delusional troll. Hardly a "thread" of truth in the entire post.

Yes, we the anti-war crowd, do indeed care about the letter and we are also very aware that it was specifically addressed to "Bush & Cheney."

The vet wrote a scathing letter to Bush and Cheney. I'd of thought he'd at least send a copy to Obama. Bush no longer has the power to stop the Mideast wars. Bush had nothing to do with Libya. The whole Arab Spring thing. The whole 'sending the troops into Africa' thing. Etc...Etc...Etc...

Well, anyway. Obama wasn't included in any mailing.

And that would be because of the fact that Obama wasn't the one who dropped the ball in Afghanistan, where the the mastermind of the 9-11 attacks was hiding, while simultaneously taking this nation to war with Iraq based on lies and fabricated intelligence.

You might also want to pay special attention to the section of the letter that stated the following;

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I would not be writing this letter if I had been wounded fighting in Afghanistan against those forces that carried out the attacks of 9/11. Had I been wounded there I would still be miserable because of my physical deterioration and imminent death, but I would at least have the comfort of knowing that my injuries were a consequence of my own decision to defend the country I love.

I think that President Obama promised to have us out of Afghanistan by the end of 2014 and as far as I can tell, we're on schedule to meet and/or precede that deadline. Oh yeah, did I mention that he, (Obama) did actually succeed in killing Osama Bin Laden? Surely you remember him, the guy who's organization killed 3000+ americans on 9-11?

Bush just wasn't that concerned with him because he was too busy fabricating the lies necessary to convince a gullible nation that it was Iraq we should be concentrating on because after all, they had the best targets.

Maybe you will remember Bush being "not concerned" with Osama Bin Laden;



Furthermore, we still care about climate change too, as does the majority of the world's population and we have no intention of dropping the issue now, or anytime in the foreseeable future.

But hey, who am I to interfere with you're right to live in a rabbit hole?

reply to post by coltcall


You don't seem to understand.

The future of humanity is going to be more collective. We're all humans on this spinning rock, and in order to not destroy ourselves we're going to have to see ourselves as "world citizens".

You seem to equate socialism with facism, and we all know that facism is bad. Hey, it limits your FREEDOMS!

May I ask what freedoms? Is it the freedom to gratify the whims of YOUR ego above someone else's?

You can still pretty much do whatever the hell you want behind your home's closed doors. Sure, you might get arrested for stomping on mice and uploading the videos, but you can still do it. This whole issue of "freedoms" being taken away is really a misnomer.

People that bitch about the NWO or socialism seem very immature to me -- it's childish and selfish. As humanity matures and advances things like nationalism will go bye bye. The technology we're creating alone will contribute greatly to this.

Hey, if you want to live in a cabin like Henry David Thoreau -- go for it. Leave all your convience items behind though-- no cell phones, no internet, no modern synthetic clothing. Nope.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Humankind is advancing, and a part of that advancement is giving up our selfish, ego-centric attitudes. This "screw everyone else but me" attitude might thave been a good thing 5,000 years ago to survive, but it's not needed anymore. We're not hunting and gathering. Here in the USA, you're never more than 5 feet from some kind of snack.

Yikes! Double post!

First time I've done that in all my years here!

reply to post by MystikMushroom

The future of humanity is going to be more collective. We're all humans on this spinning rock, and in order to not destroy ourselves we're going to have to see ourselves as "world citizens".

No we don't. You want to see the trouble with "no borders" look at what is happening in the EU right now. Notably Cypress. It is possible to co exist with each other without stepping on toes. Should be the same with nations.

Your solution makes poorer countries depend on richer ones to keep them above water.Thats the problem with idealized globalization. The whole ship is in danger of sinking for the want of a few. But as long as greed exists, there will be conflict as "strongmen" prey on the weak.

reply to post by coltcall

It's hard to respect death bed apologies. That soldier doesn't actually apologize for his part in the war, but berates the government for fooling him into fighting it, IMO.

So now he's sorry, that he joined, that he went, that he participated. And he's going to die and now he's upset. Could have complained before now. If he had, he would be discharged dishonorably for it, kept his health and lived to complain about it longer.

Sorry if that seems insensitive to his plight. I was of age (barely) during the first Gulf war and I opted out, because I saw the injustice of it.

Reply to post by intrptr

The injustice of liberating Kuwait for an Iraqi invasion? Right...


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Originally posted by coltcall
reply to post by Echtelion

 

Blah...Blah...Blah...it's all fascism.

Okay...I'll take the fascism with the Second Amendment.

You take the fascism where the Mongol hordes come riding down on your defenseless village to steal your crops and to bind you all up to be taken and sold into slavery.

Mussolini did make the trains run on time.....

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How Mongols crushed East Europe

The monarchs really did a good job preventing people from that, did they? Hence why Mongols conquered most of Eurasia, including the great, undefeated Russia, and even the Balkans and Austria. Right...

The Holy Roman Empire was just lucky there were huge divisions inside the Mongol empire when the Khan's powerful armies were at the doors. They would have stormed Europe all the way to Portugal and Norway if that wasn't for the internal power struggle over succession.

The assault rifles of patriots won't be bla bla bla-ing with you. Hence why I AM WARNING YOU RIGHT NOW of the choices YOU make.

But if you brain can't process so many words, here's what the Mongols did to your fascist "saviors":

Originally posted by GreenGlassDoor
Reply to post by intrptr

 

The injustice of liberating Kuwait for an Iraqi invasion? Right...

It's a crying shame that you don't even realize that you're talking about two completely different wars.

Reply to post by Echtelion

What you wrote made no sense. It was a random collection of thoughts.


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reply to post by Flatfish


THERE'S NO MORE ANTIWAR MOVEMENT!!

WHO'S GOING TO STOP THE WARS???

All the socialists have retreated to their sofas in awe of the promises their Messiah Obama has put forward that they will ALL be taken care of.

And you socialists continue to live in the delusion that you have been led into the Promised Lands.

Sure, the vet writes a scathing letter....to Bush and Cheney.

But it's Obama's War, now.

And you don't want to upset your Messiah with protests against war.

Reply to post by Flatfish

No, he was talking about the first Gulf War. The one where Iraq invaded Kuwait.


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Oh, I get it. You're too stupid to see where the bottom of my posts are from ATS mobile and sometimes autocorrect fills in things for me.


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Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by coltcall

 

It's hard to respect death bed apologies. That soldier doesn't actually apologize for his part in the war, but berates the government for fooling him into fighting it, IMO.

So now he's sorry, that he joined, that he went, that he participated. And he's going to die and now he's upset. Could have complained before now. If he had, he would be discharged dishonorably for it, kept his health and lived to complain about it longer.

Sorry if that seems insensitive to his plight. I was of age (barely) during the first Gulf war and I opted out, because I saw the injustice of it.

No. It's not insensitive.

There are MANY disabled vets who've accepted that war is a dangerous business. They've accepted that had another road been taken...etc.....and they are proud for having served.

And it all comes back down to the fact that socialists don't want to bother Obama with war protests. They have their welfare. They are content.; They try to assuage their guilt by empathizing with the bitter pills in life.

But there is NO antiwar movement in the Obama years. The socialists used up all their protesting chips during the Bush years. Now they have their welfare. The antiwar movement is DEAD.

reply to post by MystikMushroom


NO. The future of humanity is not going to be more collective.

Here comes that guy who is going to steal your food, rape your wife, kill you for getting in his way.

You know what the problem is with philosophers? There's too many philosophers and not enough philosophy job openings in the community colleges.

But you go ahead and collect with the other collectors who are finding that when push comes to shove, the collection agency doors will be locked and reality has caught you like a nasty tsunami.

reply to post by Openeye


Now the bastard can abandon them to die in greater numbers because they will no longer be equipped to fight the war with the limited assets left there.
He did it before he's doing it again.

Now Yoko One has total cracked me up to no end....

She twittered Michael Moore to join her in an anti-gun protest. Read the twitter from the twitter:

"Michael Moore @mmflint Join me to kick off a mass movement against gun violence from your living room on Sat March 23 - Yes! love, yoko".

Yes, Michael Moore....FROM YOUR LIVING ROOM.....twitter protests all afternoon!! Will ya??

Gawd. Talk about your fat socialist who made a fortune the capitalist way. Michael Moore get off the sofa??

Okay, socialists all across America. On the count of three, do a single Jumping Jack in the safety of your living room.....not far from the refrigerator....while there is still beer in the fridge???

reply to post by coltcall


So, I guess you're keeping track of any and all letters I've written to the POTUS and/or elected legislators? How the hell would you know whether or not we've been actively objecting to the war?

You're just pissed because the vet correctly identified the criminals responsible for lying this nation into an unjust war which resulted in him being disabled. The Iraq War was Bush's War, that's where the vet was injured and that's why the letter was addressed to Bush & Cheney and in case you hadn't noticed, that war is over. President Obama lived up to his promise to end that war and he's on schedule to fulfill his promise to end the Afghanistan War as well.

Just because we're not out in the streets protesting doesn't mean that we're not still opposed to the war, nor does it mean that we're not registering our complaints with President Obama and others in power.

Not only are our movements not over, we're winning!

reply to post by GreenGlassDoor


You are absolutely right, he was indeed talking about the first Gulf War. I should pay closer attention. Sorry, My Bad!