Does Antiwar Crowd Care About Vets Scathing Letter to Bush and Cheney....No. They No Longer Care...

reply to post by Openeye


Stop... Don't.... You'll ruin their fun of completely making things up.

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What a gross exaggeration. Obama does not personally pick who lives and who dies

Gm is alive and Bin Laden is DEAD.

We Came We Saw Gaddafi DIED.

Then there these guys:

It was the culmination of years of painstaking intelligence work, intense deliberation by lawyers working for President Obama and turf fights between the Pentagon and the C.I.A., whose parallel drone wars converged on the killing grounds of Yemen. For what was apparently the first time since the Civil War, the United States government had carried out the deliberate killing of an American citizen as a wartime enemy and without a trial.

www.nytimes.com...

And this:

The White House claims that killing Americans without due process is “legal,” “necessary,” “ethical,” and “wise.”

www.thenewamerican.com...

All roads end in the oval office.

reply to post by neo96

All roads end in the oval office

Sure, as the president he has the final decision, but that does not invalidate my previous post.

It is an exaggeration to say that Obama is dictating who lives and dies, especially when a simple search about the Disposition Matrix will lead anyone to information about the decision making process.

The rhetoric usually involved in the discussion of drone strikes ranges from absurd to outright asinine.

I am in no way a fan of how the drone program is ran, and Anwar al-Aulaqi should have been arrested and tried. However, he was an enemy of the state, directly affiliated and with an enemy we are at war with.

If he was anything but a Veteran then the liberals would be up in arms. A mother with cancer would have been a liberal crusade.

Most people support increasing VA funding. Liberals, however, do not.

For the liberal it is "end the war" and screw the vet. To them people engaged in patriotism are nothing more than baby killers who deserve to be spat on. Yes, soldiers still get spat on.

www.youtube.com...

Who, after all, comes out with all the vitriolic words about vets? Liberals.

Now that this vet is dying and he said something bad about Bush, the liberals get all excited because they want to mold it into another "blame Bush" narrative, but ignore that for all their faux compassion they couldn't give a # about a vet who didn't get the care he needed.

This vet's anger is his to own and he is entitled to it. The liberals try to make it the point, ignoring the shoddy treatment he got.

Let's ask questions to all the liberals: would you be OK with slashing the other government social welfare programs and put it under the single veteran welfare program? This vet ultimately has succumbed to his war injuries and did something to earn compensation. Can you say the same for the recipients of government phones or school dinner programs?

I already know liberals will duck the question saying things like "cut defense".


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The "left" doesn't care abou this letter?

It was published on www.truthdig.com.

it is also on www.alternet.org, which is definitely "left" (in the USA). And here it is on dailykos.com, which is a liberal democratic site.

www.dailykos.com...

www.dailykos.com...

A liberal complaining about complicity of Democrats with warlike policies.

www.dailykos.com...

It doesn't take more than 2 minutes with elementary Google to invalidate the original posters contention that for some reason the "anti-war left" is ignoring the dying veteran's letter or refuses to criticize the Obama administration.

Facts appears to be exhibiting the well-known liberal bias, once again.

Someone please explain to me why it's right that we're in these wars regardless of who's in office? Bush and Obama can both rot in hell.

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Demagoguery like this show ignorance. Ignorance solves nothing.

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I care that this guy's life was destroyed by Bush/Cheney and their lies that dragged us into that goddamn war. I care that there were small pockets of us that were vilified by our own families and friends when we made a stink about how obvious it was that the Iraq invasion was a total scam. If it were up to me, Bush and Cheney and Rumdsfeld and Ms. Rice would all be in prison right now for what they did to so many hundreds of thousands of people for no other reason than that their corporate bosses ordered them to.

That said, I don't blame Obama for his inability to immediately shut that insane mess down, or for the fact that the last 4 years have been as much of a brutal slog as they've been for him and for all of us. The GOP's foot soldiers have been relentless, and everyone knows it. The "lamestream" media (I really hate Palinisms...) has been the lapdog of the idiots who've dedicated themselves to shutting down Obama at every move too, so I don't blame him for any of the stuff he hasn't been able to repair that Bush/Cheney destroyed and poisoned with their turn at the wheel.

No one that's not ideologically committed to screwing us all out of our future blames Obama for what Bush and Cheney orchestrated and what the bizarre confluence of NeoCons and Tea Baggers has prepetrated since those two creeps slunk off the stage. Most of us in this country are really fed up with the constant crap that Obama's been dealing with, and the spanking that the GOP got in this last election cycle was evidence of exactly that.

Only on this board is there a majority of Obama haters. Here, and those crazy rightwing echo chambers like Breitbart.com, Drudge and FoxNEWS.

The lamestream mainstream media turns socialists on and off like a light with a bad lampshade on its head.

reply to post by NorEaster


And the war goes on without any antiwar protestation during the Obama years.

None at all. Nada. Not a peep. Not a sound out of the antiwar crowd.

The global warming bunch has grown eerily silent, too.

Originally posted by coltcall
The lamestream mainstream media turns socialists on and off like a light with a bad lampshade on its head.

Over 300 posts in 3 days?



That's pretty scary. Maybe you should try sleeping.

The media is owned by the political right (ie; corporations) and we had yet another "lefty" (Ed Shultz) sidelined to a weekend show on that liberal megaphone MSNBC. Make too much of a difference as a liberal, and you're out of a job in the media, and it's been this way for some years now.

Hell, you can slander raped women on the rightwing media outlets, and you're bulletproof. Like I said, you should try sleeping. Sleep makes reality a lot clearer for you. Without it, you can start getting really delusional.

Originally posted by coltcall
reply to post by NorEaster

 

And the war goes on without any antiwar protestation during the Obama years.

None at all. Nada. Not a peep. Not a sound out of the antiwar crowd.

The global warming bunch has grown eerily silent, too.

We're out of Iraq and we're on schedule to get out of Afghanistan. You do know this...right?

reply to post by NorEaster


Tell that to the drone pilots.......


WASHINGTON - President Obama will be under heavy pressure tonight to convince an increasingly skeptical American public, as well as worried members of his own party in Congress, that it is worth risking more American lives and billions more in costs to escalate a war that, over the past eight years, has fallen short of its original objectives.

The anti-war crowd would be in full form if a Republican were President, but since a Democrat is President, they prefer to sit this one out. They'd be in the streets if Bush were still there.

Originally posted by coltcall
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Tell that to the drone pilots.......

You're not making any sense, dude.



99% of drone activity is surveillance. My son-in-law was the OIC of the unit that sifts through that intel while he was stationed at Shaw AFB, and that's what the drone program actually is about. The predator drones do what they do now and then, but it's rare that such missions are carried out. You must get all your news from Fox.

Originally posted by coltcall
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Tell that to the drone pilots.......


WASHINGTON - President Obama will be under heavy pressure tonight to convince an increasingly skeptical American public, as well as worried members of his own party in Congress, that it is worth risking more American lives and billions more in costs to escalate a war that, over the past eight years, has fallen short of its original objectives.

edit on 20-3-2013 by coltcall because: (no reason given)

What date is that news blurb from? Sounds like a 2010 release.

You aren't very good at this, are you.

Originally posted by schuyler
The anti-war crowd would be in full form if a Republican were President, but since a Democrat is President, they prefer to sit this one out. They'd be in the streets if Bush were still there.

The movement is not toward escalation or even "stay the course", so what's there to protest? That he's ending the Afghanistan war after having ended the Iraq War?

Seriously. What are you talking about?

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No refutation? My point is carried.


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I think the main problem is that many North-American progressives believe Democrats are different from Republicans.
Until the majority realizes they are choosing between AB and BA, it's going to be impossible for you guys to find a good alternative.
Good luck, though!

Why do liberal democrats and pacifists get clumped together? I'm anti war, but by no means do I support Obama or his hypocritical behavior. There is justified war, then there is the horse s*** we've been forced into fighting for over the last decade. Imperialism is deplorable, especially when the face of it touts the message of freedom, liberty, and equality. I don't think you have to even be anti-war to hold Bush, Cheney, and Blair in disdain for the lies and destruction they have brought into this world.