On the Brink: Israel to grill Obama over possible military strike on Iran

There is a Globalist agenda at play here...

Does it strike anyone that by Iran or NK attaining nukes are suddenly becoming a threat not because they are going to use it on anyone, but of course they are but a threat to the Globalist agenda???

It's far more complicated than the smokescreen, we read on the headlines??? At some point in time there has to be a point of singularity coexistence.

This here are signs of the beginning...The most likely scenario is the aggressors will be forced to do preemptive strikes on Iran and/or NK to start it all off...

If Israel is going head with a strike on Iran, than be sure that NK will have found it's excuse to strike as well...

As far as actions are concerned NK is but seems prepared to face any consequences of it's actions, but that doesn't mean China will allow all this to play out near it's borders.

If anything this here is a ticking time bomb...

Peace

Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by ausername

 

Well, isn't that what this thread is about? Israel wants the US to attack Iran over its nuclear program?

Yes, that is what this thread is about, and as for any military attack on Iran, that would be a mistake now. In fact this trip for the president could prove to be a mistake. In either case, only time will tell. Hopefully nothing will happen at least until after the end of this month.

Are you talking about the Twelvers? If so, you are still wrong. If they cause or instigate a war, their God won't come down with Jesus and kill the infidels.

It doesn't matter what you or I believe, it comes down to capabilities to inflict devastating damage, and the beliefs of those who will carry it out, and of course, whether they can be stopped or not.

You can only buy so much TIME.

Edit: If how you know isn't important, why should anything you type be?

It's not, really...

No more or less than anything else from anyone else here... But hey, saying something is easier to deal with than saying nothing.

reply to post by Hopechest


The simple possession of nuclear weapons is already a tacit threat.

A hegemony with a very violent past? That's questionable. Firstly, the US is the hegemonic power in the region with the capability to decide the future of any Middle Eastern country, even if it $16 trillion in debt. It has military bases all over, and troops surrounding Iran.

Israel itself is somewhat of a hegemonic power, despite its lack of alliances capable within the region, other than the US. It has, as you said, nuclear weapons. At least some 200 of them as well. It has the most advanced and highly trained military in the region, and has time and time again proved its capabilities to incapacitate and destroy people and infrastructure (but clearly not states, ideologies, beliefs and nations).

What would Iran attaining nuclear weapons in the region mean? It would certainly shift the power dynamics. It could make the region more unstable, or unstable. That depends on specifics. This Foreign Affairs article illuminates the question of stability and why Iran should attain a nuclear weapon.

www.foreignaffairs.com...

On the other hand, it could lead to instability through a regional arms race. It is clear that the Sunni sheikdoms (the UAE, Qatar, Kuwait and most importantly Saudi Arabia) would not be comfortable with their greatest regional foe having such clout over them. This could mean that states such as Saudi Arabia attempt to attain nuclear weaponry, if the US can not give it the security assurances it requires.

As for Iran using nuclear weaponry on Israel. I doubt it. It would mean the end of Iran, and despite what misconceptions you have in your mind, Iran is an inherently rational state. That doesn't mean don't worry about Iran having nuclear weapons. It just means that observers of international relations make predictions, and this is one I am very comfortable with.

Lastly, spreading the "revolution". Cuba and Venezuela have ideologies worlds away from Iran. Iran's revolution is that of a Shi'ite Islamic revolution. They have already tried, and failed to export it. The only "protege" of the Iranian revolution thus far has been Hizb'Allah, which as we can see aren't even the governing body in Lebanon (considering there is somewhat of a tentative power sharing structure in that country).

Could Iran export nuclear technology to these states. Theoretically - yes. In reality, I doubt it would. Why? Firstly you are encroaching into the backyard of the worlds greatest military power. In that case, you are no longer playing a game of regional politics, but one with global dimensions. To some degree, the alliance between Iran and Venezuela has already initiated this, but exchanging nuclear technology would take it to a whole different level.

This would prompt a heavy handed US response. Iran would once again be in serious trouble, and the existence of its regime could be threatened. The US views, and has done so historically, the Western hemisphere as its backyard and strictly its sphere of influence. Its control over this region has allowed it to project its power globally and it is the mark of a great power. Encroachment would not be taken lightly.

We have seen the extents to which the US went to, to prevent Cuba attaining a nuclear bomb....

Originally posted by g146541
reply to post by ausername

 

They are actually so close now that it is hardly worthy of argument.

So, you actually claim to know more than the IAEA and Mossad terrorist agency??
They both say, "nope, no wmd's there in Iran"!

Me personally, I hope Iran does make a nuke!
Hell, I hope they stamp em out like the chinese do cheap trinkets!
This would give the peoples of Iran a "sampson option" of their own and just might keep some people alive.
EVERYBODY knows the israelis are the real terrorists and always have been, this is why they constantly get booted out of other countries, they do what they want because they believe themselves to be the master race....Nazis.
They are also the only country to murder US citizens and military and get off scott free.
Someting needs to be done to stop the terrorism.

True that, G1. USS LIBERTY anyone? No one EVER brings that up, and the AshkeNAZIS damn sure are the true terrorists. As I so eloquently put it in another thread, master race my ass.

Little bit of history (for people who may have forgotten...)....



>1984: West German intelligence sources claim that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.” US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.


>1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

>1995: The New York Times reports that US and Israeli officials fear “Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought” – less than five years away. Netanyahu claims the time frame is three to five years.

>1996: Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres claims Iran will have nuclear weapons in four years.

>1999: An Israeli military official claims that Iran will have a nuclear weapon within five years.

>2001: The Israeli Minister of Defence claims that Iran will be ready to launch a nuclear weapon in less than four years.

>2003: A high-ranking Israeli military officer tells the Knesset that Iran will have the bomb by 2005 — 17 months away.

>2008: An Israeli general tells the Cabinet that Iran is “half-way” to enriching enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon and will have a working weapon no later than the end of 2010.

>2009: Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak estimates that Iran is 6-18 months away from building an operative nuclear weapon.

>2010: Israeli decision-makers believe that Iran is at most 1-3 years away from being able to assemble a nuclear weapon…

And this crap (sorry the language) will continue till this zionazi state perish for good.

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
There is a Globalist agenda at play here...

Does it strike anyone that by Iran or NK attaining nukes are suddenly becoming a threat not because they are going to use it on anyone, but of course they are but a threat to the Globalist agenda???

It's far more complicated than the smokescreen, we read on the headlines??? At some point in time there has to be a point of singularity coexistence.

This here are signs of the beginning...The most likely scenario is the aggressors will be forced to do preemptive strikes on Iran and/or NK to start it all off...

If Israel is going head with a strike on Iran, than be sure that NK will have found it's excuse to strike as well...

As far as actions are concerned NK is but seems prepared to face any consequences of it's actions, but that doesn't mean China will allow all this to play out near it's borders.

If anything this here is a ticking time bomb...

Peace

edit on 17-3-2013 by InnerPeace2012 because: grammar

If you have heard of Albert Pike everything he predicted is coming true.
Albert Pike and Three World Wars

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by maes2

 

Whats the significance of the 313?

I think the 313 on that Iranian stealth fighter (F-313 or Qaher 313) is a response to KFIR and that masonic eye on Israeli fighters.
313 is the number of Mohammad's followers who fought against thousands of disbelievers which had waged the first war (Badar war) against muslims. it is also believed that 313 is the number of main followers of Mahdi. anyhow 313 is a sign of divine assistance and it is related to last days.

reply to post by buster2010


This will be great!

P.s Iraq would say "Nukes my @ss".
Some ppl never (or doesn't want to) learn from their mistakes !

Originally posted by ausername
Iran is never going to be allowed to have a nuke, or so they say. Iran is already very close, and in time will test a nuke. That is when diplomacy will end.. Regardless of the position of the Obama administration.

Iran has no intentions of overtly attacking Israel, or other enemies in the region.

It is difficult to understand the insanity that motivates Iran, they must provoke aggression from the "great Satan" and Israel, and that aggression on Iran must be seen by the world as unjust aggression. That will provide the fulfillment of prophecies and provide religious justification for their ultimate attack plans, and to unite Muslims in war. They will retaliate with conventional, and possibly nuclear weapons overtly in the region, and attack the west, western interests and the USA covertly through their networks of terrorist proxies, affiliates and sleeper cells.

They believe their plans are God's plan.... Their cells are independent of the regime and theocracy in Iran.

Hopefully you'll never have to see just how truly dangerous all of this can be.

Good luck.

If Israel has nukes, if the US has nukes, every country is allowed to have them, naturally other countries will have this right too. The US and Israel are nothing more than any other country. We all know the US decided to use them in the past so how can other countries trust the US or Israel or any other country for that matter. And I am not saying that I am for this type of weapons. But you all started to make them, so other countries have this right too. What a sad world we live in.

Originally posted by maes2
I think the 313 on that Iranian stealth fighter (F-313 or Qaher 313) is a response to KFIR and that masonic eye on Israeli fighters. 313 is the number of Mohammad's followers who fought against thousands of disbelievers which had waged the first war (Badar war) against muslims. it is also believed that 313 is the number of main followers of Mahdi. anyhow 313 is a sign of divine assistance and it is related to last days.

Cheers, I didn't know that...

Most forget but remember this little story?

www.freerepublic.com...

It appears it's just a matter of time before SOMEONE does this. Iran seems to be the likely candidate right now...

Originally posted by buster2010
On the Brink: Israel to grill Obama over possible military strike on Iran

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will have one key question for President Barack Obama when they meet Wednesday: If push comes to shove, will America attack Iran to stop the Iranians from developing a nuclear bomb? Obama has a question of his own, just as critical. Will Israel promise not to attack Iran without American approval? Ahead of the U.S. president's trip, Israel’s President Shimon Peres described Iran as “the greatest threat to peace in the world.”

As usual Israel wants war but wants America to do the fighting for them. It's time for Israel to put up or shut up if you want to fight Iran go ahead just leave America out of it. Israel didn't help America with Iraq or Afghanistan so why should we help Israel with Iran? The main reason why Israel doesn't want to fight Iran alone is because just as Israeli military leaders have said "We can't handle Iran alone". And it's funny how a terrorist like Peres calls Iran the greatest threat to world peace. Which nation is the greater threat one that hasn't started a war in 300 years like Iran or one that votes known terrorists and criminals to lead their country like Israel?

Well, IDF might also be scarred. If they attacked they wouldn't be fighting women and children. Iran actually has a military and they won't be throwing rocks at them.

On the other hand, the show between Obama and Netanyahu is that that, a show. Israel has more representation in our house of law than we do. Our largest states get, what, 40-50 representatives and Israel gets over a 100 dual citizens. They're better represented in our congress than we Americans are. They'll get what they want, it's been prearranged.

I am sure Americans and Israelis are much wiser than to involve themselves yet into another war in the region specially with Iran....The war with Iran is a lose lose situation for the whole world.Nothing good will come out of that....Israelis have to accept the fact that Iran is a powerful and influential country which has been peaceful for a very long time,much longer than Israel or America has ever been, and quit whining.this is becoming very annoying.

Originally posted by Siberbat

Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by ausername

 

If Iran wanted nukes they would already have them... Just like North Korea. If you want to worry about a country, turn your focus to Asia. Israel are just a bunch of terrorist run warmongers.

Here's an idea. Has it occured to anyone that the nuke tests in NK were actually Iranian nukes? What makes us think that NK has the resources to support such a program and Iran doesn't?

BINGO! QFT

Both Iran and North Korea have shared technology (notice it was NK workers trapped in the Iran nuclear facility when it had an "accident" that led to the evacuation of an Iranian City).

They were developing "smaller scale" nuclear devices so that the technology can be equiped to Yono class submarine units both nations are now in possession of. The same Yono class submarines that were seen by EU forces February 17th, 2013 heading out of a North Korean military port and heading in the direction of the US mainland.

The "smaller scale nuclear test" conducted in NK in February was of the Iranian model. You have hit the nail on the head.

Why is NK now so bold with their threats?
Where are the 10 nuclear armed Yono class submarine units headed for the US?
What are we doing to defend against NK? (hint surface to air defence, NOT underwater survalance)
What class submarine was China able to successfully remain undetected in the SF bay for 3 weeks in 2010? (hint YONO)

Yono class submarine units only travel 4-8 knots submerged (to appear as whales) with a crew of 4-5 people. Leaving on February 17th, 2013 and traveling slightly over 4 knots, these unit would be arriving at their destinations around April 4th, 2013.

The 2nd trumpet is preparring to sound.

God Bless,

I'm sure Israel has a lot of 'key questions'. The 'key question' I have is why would Obama care what Israel wants? Why do we, as a country, care what Israel wants - other than genrally, of course, as we do with any of our allies? Why should Israel get some sort of special treatment from us? I can only assume that all special treatment Israel gets is thanks to their lobby, just like all other special interest groups. And, like all other Special Interest groups, the best interest of this country is likely NOT Israel's #1 priority.

reply to post by ElohimJD

BINGO! QFT Both Iran and North Korea have shared technology (notice it was NK workers trapped in the Iran nuclear facility when it had an "accident" that led to the evacuation of an Iranian City).

Source please, unless you are talking about an opinion piece written by Van Hipp of Fox news, carried as fact by WND.

They were developing "smaller scale" nuclear devices so that the technology can be equiped to Yono class submarine units both nations are now in possession of. The same Yono class submarines that were seen by EU forces February 17th, 2013 heading out of a North Korean military port and heading in the direction of the US mainland.

Source again for the developing smaller scale nuclear devices? Unless the US mainland is less than 50nM from North Korea (or 550nM if it is surfaced) then I don't think the US has anything to fear from these attacking the mainland.

The "smaller scale nuclear test" conducted in NK in February was of the Iranian model. You have hit the nail on the head.

Opinion? Conjecture? Fear? Or do you have a source again?

What class submarine was China able to successfully remain undetected in the SF bay for 3 weeks in 2010? (hint YONO)

Nope.

Yono class submarine units only travel 4-8 knots submerged (to appear as whales) with a crew of 4-5 people. Leaving on February 17th, 2013 and traveling slightly over 4 knots, these unit would be arriving at their destinations around April 4th, 2013.

You are right, but, you fail to mention that they can't go too far submerged (or surfaced) and would need support vessels to extend their range. Link.

I still have faith in humanity that no one has agreed with your fear mongering ignorance laden post. *whew*

Originally posted by amkia
Little bit of history (for people who may have forgotten...)....



>1984: West German intelligence sources claim that Iran’s production of a bomb “is entering its final stages.” US Senator Alan Cranston claims Iran is seven years away from making a weapon.


>1992: Israeli parliamentarian Benjamin Netanyahu tells his colleagues that Iran is 3 to 5 years from being able to produce a nuclear weapon.

>1995: The New York Times reports that US and Israeli officials fear “Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought” – less than five years away. Netanyahu claims the time frame is three to five years.

>1996: Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres claims Iran will have nuclear weapons in four years.

>1999: An Israeli military official claims that Iran will have a nuclear weapon within five years.

>2001: The Israeli Minister of Defence claims that Iran will be ready to launch a nuclear weapon in less than four years.

>2003: A high-ranking Israeli military officer tells the Knesset that Iran will have the bomb by 2005 — 17 months away.

>2008: An Israeli general tells the Cabinet that Iran is “half-way” to enriching enough uranium to build a nuclear weapon and will have a working weapon no later than the end of 2010.

>2009: Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak estimates that Iran is 6-18 months away from building an operative nuclear weapon.

>2010: Israeli decision-makers believe that Iran is at most 1-3 years away from being able to assemble a nuclear weapon…

And this crap (sorry the language) will continue till this zionazi state perish for good.

I can truly say that there are many good Israeli people out there and they don't deserve to be bombed. The leaders of both sides are (excuse my language) piles of crap. They induce fear in their people to provoke hatred towards the other nation. The biggest 'terrorists' are the leaders themselves. By scaring people into thinking they've got problems with people they don't know, they can control whether or not they provoke war.

I'm truly being unbiased and looking at this from a neutral standpoint through events and facts. Iran stated that they are NOT developing nuclear weapons - they even invited skeptics to take a look, but when skeptics were given the opportunity to be disproven; they didn't go at all. Why? Because they NEED a war against Iran. It's the only way they can get their hands on oil.

Israel is their gateway to get that oil. By allying themselves with Israel (knowing damn well Israel is an unstable country that can attack, or be attacked) they have an excuse to remain in the Middle East. It's clear Israel will be the first to attack based on Netanyahu's provocations; we must not support them if they do. It'll be a waste of money and it'll drive the American continent further into poverty. The gap between the rich and the poor is becoming smaller. Such is the sign of a third-world country. We MUST maintain a middle class and in order to do that; we must focus on the problems in our back yard rather than resources thousands of miles away.

Even then, we shouldn't be waging war. We must be the world's leaders, trying to spread peace and democracy rather than distorting it. We live in interesting times: I truly hope it doesn't get any more interesting than this.

Your friend,

Stock Loc