EU move to take over national budgets

Nigel Farage:

Please watch this next clip, its commisioner Olli Rehn - One of the big bosses from Brussels, and hes tellign us why European countries must stop managing their own budgets & hand over all that power to people like him. It is in my view the dullest, most boring, technocratic speech I'v ever heard in my life, and yet Anti-democratic & dangerous at the same time. Watch this clip & I'm sure you will be convineced we shouldnt let these people run our lives

Fiscal Discipline and integration - More like: We dictate and you have to give up your rights,money and sovereignty.

I have to say this is the most dangerous speech I'v heard in a while, made me get real angry! We faught Adolf, Soviet Union and Napoleon so we didn't get taken over and controlled by Europe, yet now we're about to let this happen voluntarily? Seems to me that the EU has achieved nearly everything Hitler wanted, all without firing a single shot.

I fear the referendum in 2018 will be too late & even if Labour get put into power, I fear they will only make it worse because they're stance on the EU is as sketchy as the Conservatives/Con-Dems. The task now should be how we can get the largest most structered party into power as soon as possible, which would be UKIP. I'm not a fan of all their policies but its the only big political party which is standing up to the EU.

Thoughts ATS?

Some extremely obvious ideas coming from UKIP regarding the EU's power and how its strangulating the UK.

I fear that even with some major sense being made we will end up in a Ron Paul like situation with the UK vs EU, great and very reasonable points will be drowned out by the major players and their trivial babble.

Ive never been fond of the EU as its own entity, its just a massive melting pot of political, financial and cultural nightmares, where the "good" country's are held back, while "bad" country's dont bother to help themselves because the rest oft he EU has their back. Totally flawed from the start imo.

The EU is a very ambitios project of the Illumiatti.
However they apear to have but off a lot more than they can chew in this case.....
One wonders whether the plan has gone badly awry, or even reater chaos is awaitng the Europeans,
as their goverments are brught to heel one by one....
A general collapse must be the eventual outcoe when the individual peoples figure out how badly they were ripped off.

I thought this would have had more attention to be fair. If it was to do with America, I'm sure it owuld have had more

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I admit I didn't pay very close attention to the whole EU thing in my political science and IR classes, but I do think that Americans would be wise to pay more attention to what is going on over the pond...scary things seem to be unfolding over there.

I lived in Germany in the 80's and early 90's and things seemed pretty good back then. I was an outsider observing but from what I saw the nation seemed to be stable and prosperous. The last years I lived there, things seemed to be declining, and I have wondered if their entry into the EU had anything to do with it?

Trivial example, in 1994 I could use deutsche marks and go to H&M and get a reasonable amount of clothes at a decent price. In 2010 going to H&M and spending euros was "splurging" and this isn't even taking into consideration the dollar to euro exchange rate. I honestly do not know how people survive over there. Don't get me started on the taxes either!!

Now the masterminds in Brussels what to dictate each nations budgets, what's next? I'd love to hear more ats members who are in Europe speak on this topic, maybe they could help me understand it better.

The problems between the UK and the Rest of Europe is, that without the Stock Exchange in London and the Financial Powers concentrated there, the UK has a serious economic problem. Every step into better regulation would make the UK less desirable for the big banks.

Most Europeans want better tranparency and stricter rules considering Investment Banks and Hedgefonds, which the UK doesn't. Right now the rampant stock markets and the fast growing dept of most european countries are one aspect of the "way out of line" financial system we copied from our friends in the USA.

A stronger EU-government won't happen so fast, because France, the UK, Spain or Germany won't give up their individual interests in the future. It took 50 years to get to this point, so I think we have some time...

This thread deserves a lot more attention to be honest but sadly if your thread isn't about guns nowadays it seems like it won't get much attention. The EU needs to dissolve immediately.

The United States of America

The United States of Europe

The United States of Arabia.

Welcome to the New World Order in progress. Sausage being made, as they say. All eventually led by some form of the United Nations, no doubt.

Huh, the EU will continue to eat away at British sovereignty and our rights that successive governments have willingly betrayed by signing away.

It is true that UKIP seems like the best bet for reclaiming UK independence and reasserting our sovereignty. It is also true that the EU has achieved what Hitler failed to achieve, without firing a single bullet.

However, the effects have been equally traumatic for the British people: loss of our right to make and enforce our own laws; the loss of the right to be final judge in legal matters; severe impingement on UK right to have an independent foreign policy; loss of control over our own borders and immigration policy; continued and concerted attacks from the EU upon our own principals of democracy, legal rights, financial regulation, trade decisions, and everything that suggests anything great or traditional about the UK.

The possible referendum on UK membership of the EU, I suggest, is nothing but a red herring designed to serve short-term populist aims of the Conservative Party. None of the main parties (Conservatives included) will stand-up to the EU if trade treaties are threatened. UKIP is an unknown... even if they ever got elected, and if they ever became government would they break those UK-EU trade treaties? Something tells me that no, they would not. Thus we would still be hung by our own petard as the rich and corrupt chase the riches offered by betraying their own land.

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Olli Rehn is talking about the Two-Pack proposal which applies to eurozone members and is an attempt to try and combat the eurozone crisis. It is a depressing proposal but it seems like a neccessary evil, there must be stability for the EMU programme to work.

Eurozone crisis

The Two-Pack proposal

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Originally posted by Mijamija
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I lived in Germany in the 80's and early 90's and things seemed pretty good back then. I was an outsider observing but from what I saw the nation seemed to be stable and prosperous. The last years I lived there, things seemed to be declining, and I have wondered if their entry into the EU had anything to do with it?

Well, to be fair, we had our reunification with East-Germany back then and the East was pretty devastated due to ill-considered socialist management of the SED (Socialist party of the former DDR).
We're still paying up to this day to fix the mess the soviets left us.

Nevertheless, your obersvation is correct.
The German taxpayer is the biggest net contributor in the EU by a huge margin and many Germans would love to return to the Deutsche Mark.

I have to say though that its still pretty good to live here and I wouldn't want to live anywhere else on this planet... except the northern countries maybe.

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Really, he should have titled it "Why the gun grab doesn't matter.... EU move to take over national budgets"
That would have gotten you some more traffic!

Originally posted by cripmeister
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Olli Rehn is talking about the Two-Pack proposal which applies to eurozone members and is an attempt to try and combat the eurozone crisis. It is a depressing proposal but it seems like a neccessary evil, there must be stability for the EMU programme to work.

Eurozone crisis

The Two-Pack proposal

The EMU programme is a failure but I believe it was meant to fail, because from it they could use the economic chaos to reel in every Euro nation's economic control. The problem is they have treated Europe as America, seeing all the countries as states and not countries. This was the biggest mistake, because every European country is different. For Germany to set interest rates based on its economy was always going to destroy countries such as Greece and they knew it would, as I said the entire concept was built to fail in accordance with the concept of creating an EU super state. Stability is needed, but at what cost? We already know that democracy is dead to the EU Godfathers, we know that they care not for individual countries, let alone individual freedom. It wants to be the next Soviet state and it is not far from it.

It certainly is an evil, but it is not necessary for individual countries to prosper and get out of this mess, which they can't do while nailed to the Euro or within the EMU as they all need to set individual rates for a start. However for the EU superstate to come about in all its "glory", it is a necessary evil, but its also one evil we can do without.

Originally posted by n00bUK
I thought this would have had more attention to be fair. If it was to do with America, I'm sure it owuld have had more

Some of us ARE paying attention. I fear Nigel Farage will get blocked by TPTB and UKIP party won't get the attention it deserves. Ron Paul had this problem during our election and he made more sense than any other candidate.

The EU has always seemed like a bit of a raw deal for the UK. I don't know much about it, but from my friends in the UK, it isn't something that they should have to submit to. I don't know if you guys can write your rep in the house of commons like we can with congressmen here in the US, but it wouldn't be a terrible Idea if you can.

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Are they nazis?

Compare...





with the new one, after 'mesiah' George Bush came to destroy our lives, especialy to us from Yugoslavia

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up until the wall came down everyone in east Germany had a job according to their abilities , east Germany was self efficient and required no financial help from Russia , that was until the west German fat cats came up and bought up many of the previously state owned companies .

they then systematically asset stripped these companies , they took the machinery that they thought was worth anything along with the client lists and fired the workers of these companies .

now the west Germans complain that east Germany is a financial burden and they are not happy about it .

all i can say is that the west caused it so now they should live with it .

Originally posted by Blister
Huh, the EU will continue to eat away at British sovereignty and our rights that successive governments have willingly betrayed by signing away.

It is true that UKIP seems like the best bet for reclaiming UK independence and reasserting our sovereignty. It is also true that the EU has achieved what Hitler failed to achieve, without firing a single bullet.

However, the effects have been equally traumatic for the British people: loss of our right to make and enforce our own laws; the loss of the right to be final judge in legal matters; severe impingement on UK right to have an independent foreign policy; loss of control over our own borders and immigration policy; continued and concerted attacks from the EU upon our own principals of democracy, legal rights, financial regulation, trade decisions, and everything that suggests anything great or traditional about the UK.

The possible referendum on UK membership of the EU, I suggest, is nothing but a red herring designed to serve short-term populist aims of the Conservative Party. None of the main parties (Conservatives included) will stand-up to the EU if trade treaties are threatened. UKIP is an unknown... even if they ever got elected, and if they ever became government would they break those UK-EU trade treaties? Something tells me that no, they would not. Thus we would still be hung by our own petard as the rich and corrupt chase the riches offered by betraying their own land.

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Cameron didn't sign up to EU having any fiscal governing policies over UK, we aren't part of that particular element of the European Union, you may remember it's what caused other EU leaders to be seen to snub him. Based on that, for this particular aspect the UK is not in any risk. The actual Eurozone is a different matter though.

I do not agree to eliminate budget sovereignity of EU states. But for Euro states it does make sense.