Atheist Sunday Assembly goes worldwide, the future is bright for non-believers

Originally posted by James1982

Originally posted by POXUSA
reply to post by grainofsand

 

A laff a day eh? "the future is bright for non-believers" Is that because Fire + Brimstone shine so punishingly bright and so very very hot?

edit on 11-3-2013 by POXUSA because: txt

What kind of person are you? And you have the nerve to challenge the OP on their behavior or beliefs?

If heaven is populated with your kind, I'll enjoy my time in hell with the OP.

Haha, cheers, I'll be happy to raise a glass with you at a non-fire and brimstone location before we discover what was BS and what was not

Originally posted by solomons path
That is a tired Christian deflection . . .

There is nothing "tired" and "deflecting" in pointing out that this atheist utopia has never and will never exist- no "system" or belief (or lack of) will stop men being violent.

Those countries aren't proponents of Atheism (nor are their leaders). Those countries outlaw religion, in all forms, because it takes power from the state . . . if you are able to practice your chosen religion you are not giving your undivided loyalty to the state and it breeds dissent . . .

Try again.

why would I need to try again, you are reinforcing my point- these states aggressively pursued atheism, yes they did, and look at the brutality

Originally posted by Credenceskynyrd

Originally posted by solomons path
That is a tired Christian deflection . . .

There is nothing "tired" and "deflecting" in pointing out that this atheist utopia has never and will never exist- no "system" or belief (or lack of) will stop men being violent.

Those countries aren't proponents of Atheism (nor are their leaders). Those countries outlaw religion, in all forms, because it takes power from the state . . . if you are able to practice your chosen religion you are not giving your undivided loyalty to the state and it breeds dissent . . .

Try again.

why would I need to try again, you are reinforcing my point- these states aggressively pursued atheism, yes they did, and look at the brutality

Unfortunately for your argument there are many more examples of violence in the name of religion over the last few thousand years than in the name of non-belief.
If you really want to go off topic and explore history, as OP I'm happy to go there, but you will lose the discussion if we're counting the number of deaths.
Don't think in a solely Christian way, consider the multiple opposing warlike religions over the years and present today. Religious hatred crosses many borders, it is one of the reasons I do not believe any of them.

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No you lack comprehension . . . they don't promote Atheism. The promote Statism. They do not equate lack of religion with Utopia or any other philosophical ideals. They outlaw religion as a means of control, not ideals. It has nothing to do with Atheism, as the leaders of every totalitarian regime weren't Atheists. And, it is only those that refuse to discontinue practice of religion, not belief, that are slaughtered . . . to make a point and make others fall in line. Has nothing to do with philosophy or belief.

Again . . . tired and thoroughly debunked deflection. No matter how much you protest, your revisionist history and lack of understanding about Totalitarian governments doesn't make you right . . . only misled.

Originally posted by kennylee
I dont know how the future can be bright when there is no future for non-believers.

There is only the future for "non-believers" actually...real physical future and the idea that what we do here actually matters..not just for ourselves, but our offspring.
No deity to come in and rescue us from the mess we create, we are the designers of our future...and we decide if it is bright or dark.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by kennylee
I dont know how the future can be bright when there is no future for non-believers.

There is only the future for "non-believers" actually...real physical future and the idea that what we do here actually matters..not just for ourselves, but our offspring.
No deity to come in and rescue us from the mess we create, we are the designers of our future...and we decide if it is bright or dark.

I absolutely agree with you, my future is in the beneficial tangiable contributions I can make to the life of my son
We live, we die, we pass some genes along on the way if we're lucky. If I can spend some quality social time with fellow non-believers before my time is up then all the better.

*Crashing out now though, I'll catch up with any further replies here after I pay for the roof over my head tomorrow, but keep in mind that I don't believe in any fire and brimstone stuff so 'you'll burn' type comments etc will probably be ignored

Originally posted by grainofsand
A new forum is coming soon and I can't wait, be wonderful to discuss evidence based concepts without ranting religious types spoiling debate through their unprovable solely faith based arguments.

From what I have seen in forums dedicated to one topic, it will be boring, as people will spend most of the time agreeing with each other.

Where's the fun in that?

And what's the problem with meeting with religious people, even from different religions? If they do not get together to discuss religion and can discuss anything, why get themselves segregated?

So those who oppose religious faith are gathering together in their hundreds?



How inane... but I bet they still thank Lady Luck for a winning poker hand or a fortunate toss of the dice.

It seems as if these folk are 'flocking' to their meeting places and bonding in their anti-faith, slapping each other's backs and exchanging email addresses in the hopes of gathering the strength of their brave new neobelief system. Soon there will be sarcastic catechism and ritual; a crowd of smirking rebels reveling in smug superiority yet painfully needy of the support of like-minded others.

Sad, really, even for someone like myself who has rejected organized religions of any sort. If someone looks inside their heart and finds no love for an external God, that's fine with me as long as they are becoming aware of themselves. But when they have a need to gather together in their own places, they are no better than any other religion.

Nice troll thread... not.

Originally posted by masqua

Nice troll thread... not.

Was actually going to bed but felt compelled to reply to that rather childish comment.
I am happy for you or anyone else replying in this thread to have any opinion relating to the belief or not in gods, but after my many reasoned answers, you, as a staff member, call 'troll thread' when it is so obviously not? Disappointed with that reply from someone who supposedly represents the governance of ATS, I actually have more respect for the religious types who cry fire and brimstone, 'Troll' is certainly unwarranted and rather weak as an argument in this topic.

Getting together every Sunday to celebrate an abcense of belief, as if to spite the Catholic Church and take the wind out of their sail?

...Ok then.

Let the atheists assemble on Sunday. It perfect as God commanded to keep the sabbath on the last day of the week, Saturday. Actually it is from Friday evening until Saturday evening.

Atheist or not, God is in church on Saturday wondering where all his worshipers are.

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Suppose for a moment that All Humans swing over to being Atheist. They will, and this is how I see it, then realise that if our short stay on Earth is all they have, then a dangerous mount of inner Greed, Selfishness, 'I Want It Now', thoughts. When enough realise there is no futuristic Hope - meaning after Death- then you will see a growing bunch of law breaking troublemakers arise. Its a bit like politics in a sense. At the moment Atheist have a mound of oppostion, namely Christians etc. and for now you have something to torment, to somehow challenge, and for now the choice is simply that of the individual. When (and I doubt if it ever will) and IF the multitude become Atheist, then its going to be everyone out for themselves. Maybe I am wrong, but that's how I see it.

Have a nice day now. After all, if you live to be 99 then 33 years are spent at school / work / retirement. 33 years spent in bed, 33 years to enjot yourself and according to Atheist, No after Bonus to look forward to.

Here we go again the gathering of another "religion"....*coughs* atheists for a bright future.

And here I thought, we are past organised Sunday gatherings...

Peace

reply to post by grainofsand

Oh, and any silly comments like atheist-church oxymoron or whatever, save the embarrassment of raising it here, the Sunday Assembly is NOT a church, it is a regular meeting place for people who do not believe in gods, to be able to enjoy that same sense of community and celebration of life, but without any unproven wild claims of magic and mystery. Everybody likes to be inspired through interesting talks, and most of us like to sing songs in a social setting while enjoying the added benefits of a social group with shared views on life.

The irony of this is astounding. How does this differ from religion? It doesn't.

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psst non-believers against believers...

At least that's how am seeing it from the response...the irony here is mind blowing...

Peace

Always said atheism was a religion. This proves it.

Whats funnier is this group have more 'faith' than the ones they say they oppose. Funnier than that, is they don't see that they have more 'faith'.

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Always said atheism was a religion. This proves it.

Whats funnier is this group have more 'faith' than the ones they say they oppose. Funnier than that, is they don't see that they have more 'faith'.

Ugh . . . faith by definition means believing in something without evidence. How is not believing in something that has no evidence to support it considered faith? It is the exact opposite . . . If you are a believer, you should brush up on Hebrews Chap 11. This coming from an Atheist.

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by pacifier2012
Always said atheism was a religion. This proves it.

Whats funnier is this group have more 'faith' than the ones they say they oppose. Funnier than that, is they don't see that they have more 'faith'.

Ugh . . . faith by definition means believing in something without evidence. How is not believing in something that has no evidence to support it considered faith? It is the exact opposite . . . If you are a believer, you should brush up on Hebrews Chap 11. This coming from an Atheist.

Evidence is perspective-based. There is no evidence for a lack of gods and goddesses. However, a religious person often has a personal gnosis in which evidence is presented for that person specifically.

I don't wish to get into a weird back-and-forth about it but I personally think it takes less faith for me to believe in my deities than it takes for an atheist to believe that none exist. In fact, I don't even call what I am "a person of faith" because I don't have faith in the face of something I consider to be completely immanent and tangible on a daily basis for me.

Fortunately for atheists and believers alike, existence is a wheel and we literally will all come around, eventually.

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The difference? Nope, no different at all...lets put all the dictionary terms aside and see it as simple as it is.

Gathers on a Sunday, perhaps throws in a few offerings donations towards supporting "the cause". Feels enlightened after the service gathering. Preaches about it on online forums to others how this newly found perspective is gonna make the future bright for everyone...

Sounds like your normal church goer routine with a different theme...

Peace

reply to post by InnerPeace2012


Where did I say I thought the group meeting was a good idea . . . go back and read my earlier posts in this thread if you like.

I have said more than once that, as an Atheist, I don't understand this "movement" or the gathering.

Nice try to paint me into that box though . . . I'm sure you got a good laugh out of your assumptions.