Atheist Sunday Assembly goes worldwide, the future is bright for non-believers

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If Jesus could see you all now.

I'm sure he would be happy that people in their communities were comming together in a positive way, whether they believe in him or not. Maybe he would conclude, "god moves in mysterious ways"

It is a lie that Jesus would have condoned socialism, or that Jesus himself was a socialist. That would imply that all charity is a socialist system and it is not. Socialism depends on forcibly taking from another, whereas true Christian charity is the voluntary giving of one's own resources to another needy person. Socialism institutes and mandates forced redistribution.

Amazing you can bring the dreaded socialism into this debate. My point was directed at Christians who seem to have problem with athiests meeting in a sense of community. This is not about economic systems.

I am always amazed at how people can find a way to distort a debate into socialist considerations in ATS.
This thread is about non-believers finding a space to discuss and celebrate life without fear of small minded religious zealots criticising them without thought of their actions just with regard to their lack of belief.
No surprise that their indoctrination forces them into defensive ridicule and belligerent argument.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
If Jesus could see you all now.

I'm sure he would be happy that people in their communities were comming together in a positive way, whether they believe in him or not. Maybe he would conclude, "god moves in mysterious ways"

It is a lie that Jesus would have condoned socialism, or that Jesus himself was a socialist. That would imply that all charity is a socialist system and it is not. Socialism depends on forcibly taking from another, whereas true Christian charity is the voluntary giving of one's own resources to another needy person. Socialism institutes and mandates forced redistribution.

Amazing you can bring the dreaded socialism into this debate. My point was directed at Christians who seem to have problem with athiests meeting in a sense of community. This is not about economic systems.

I've seen plenty of people on this website call Jesus a socialist. It's just an observation. There is something called Christian Socialism. I believe they are in error bringing socialism into any Christian dogma, but that is what it is, dogma, and very much in error.
Atheists deny Jesus but not likely the other way around, although Jesus did overturn the money changers in the temple. Jesus gave the woes for a reason, and that is to recognize that there is evil in the world and it is a misuse of God's energy.
In like manner, socialism is an abuse and I do not believe Jesus did or ever would condone it.
It is not my fault the socialists keep trying to inject their putrid ideas into even the most Godlike. I am just trying to set the record straight on some of the concepts.
Socialists abide in great numbers on this site and it would be naive to not recognize the socialist ideas injected without calling it that.
When you observe people's posts over a period of time, they do not even have to name names to know what they are talking about.

Jesus had no problem denouncing those in error, according to biblical accounts.

"Woe to you also, you scribes"

Jesus in Luke 11:46

So, do we think the idea of non-believers having a place to share their humanitarian inspired thoughts free from religious dogma as a good thing or not?

reply to post by grainofsand

I am always amazed at how people can find a way to distort a debate into socialist considerations in ATS.

Why is this a problem for you? I've seen lots of people here say it's not an insult to be called a socialist. Yet, atheism and Socialism/Marxism are inextricably linked in today's society, since Karl Marx insisted on attacking religion with it. It is no accident that Karl Marx hated religion and wanted to abolish it, and since then there is a deliberate attempt to spread secular humanism throughout society.

Socialism and secular humanism are linked through the attempt to force it into society on a mass level.

Just the way it is. Why deny it?

I pass no judgment upon no one, but it will be interesting to read Atheists theory explaining the creation of the Universe and the nature of "nothing" as the beginning of "everything", "life after death/dead and gone", the ultimate apex of evolution as well as the equation explaining what the odds of living organism forming out of inorganic materials are.

Everyone is entitled to their enlightened oppinion and beliefs.

Within the last 10 years or so, atheists have a real leader to follow especially within the UK - his name is Richard Dawkins. All other groups (except Agnostics... we wait) have always had a leader - so he has enabled the Atheists to become more vocal, which is fair enough.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Why can you not accept some people just do not believe in god. It does not make them a Marxist. Do all capitalists believe in the prophets or the profits?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by grainofsand

 

I am always amazed at how people can find a way to distort a debate into socialist considerations in ATS.

Why is this a problem for you? I've seen lots of people here say it's not an insult to be called a socialist. Yet, atheism and Socialism/Marxism are inextricably linked in today's society, since Karl Marx insisted on attacking religion with it. It is no accident that Karl Marx hated religion and wanted to abolish it, and since then there is a deliberate attempt to spread secular humanism throughout society.

Socialism and secular humanism are linked through the attempt to force it into society on a mass level.

Just the way it is. Why deny it?

No problem, no denial, just a qustion about situations such as in the OP where people seem to have issues with anything which does not follow religious dogma but in a situation which appears to benefit humanity they are automatically drawn to dismiss it as something they fear as something bad?

reply to post by grainofsand


How do you figure there is no proof? We are all living proof of God's existence. The big bang theory is the fairytale made up to comfort those who choose not to believe to appease their own minds, simply because they can not recreate his miracles. I shall pray for you and the people you consort with, and if it is God's will, someone or something will eventually come along and change your mind.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

Why can you not accept some people just do not believe in god. It does not make them a Marxist. Do all capitalists believe in the prophets or the profits?

Who said I don't accept that some people don't believe in God. I didn't say that all atheists are Marxist. I said that Marxism promotes atheism. There is a difference. And atheists pride themselves in their rational and logical thinking.
Atheists have every right to believe as they do. However, the rise in secular humanism does exist, because Marxists and those who use Hegelian Dialectic to control the world's resources are promoting it. Antony Sutton explained how the Order of Skull and Bones promoted atheism and secular humanism in the schools through John Dewey. You can read all about it in his book, "America's Secret Establishment:An Introduction To The Order of Skull and Bones", and interestingly, this is a cabal of Illuminists who know and believe in the existence of God, promote a godless society.

vho.org...

I just like to tell people what's really going on.

And no, my sister is somewhat agnostic, but is Capitalist/free market/pro gun/pro choice so there are no absolutes in this. Everyone is an individual. We were both raised the same, although the family stopped going to church when I was just 7, so my sister likely got more religion at an early age than me. Religion was never forced on any of us, and we all chose our individual life paths. I have another sister who embraces the more mystical paths, but also seems to embrace the collectivism promoted in the Obama administration and the Progressives in general.
So, true, there are no absolutes in this regard.
However, I hold to my argument that Progressives have pushed atheist and secular humanism actively.

Crashing out now though folks.
I'm enjoying the interesting discusssion in this thread I started, but the 'real' world is calling me right now, please continue to share your passionate views, but my replies will be delayed until such time as I can respond eloquently.
Take care, and good luck with your beliefs, I hope they help you in whichever life path you choose tonight

reply to post by grainofsand

just a qustion about situations such as in the OP where people seem to have issues with anything which does not follow religious dogma but in a situation which appears to benefit humanity they are automatically drawn to dismiss it as something they fear as something bad?

I am a fairly open-minded person, as I can study various religions and sift it through my rational mind and determine if it makes sense to me. I can also meditate and open my mind to possibilities which are not entirely rational but are of a more mystical nature. I also accept science as a way to understand things we may not otherwise understand, but complete understanding escapes us when we take a completely materialistic view of things. Hence, I believe that science and religion can co-exist to create a more complete understanding of the world around us.
Atheists tend to deny religion or the existence of God, and this creates a split, in my view, in man's understanding of nature and the Universe.

Also, atheists are every bit as dogmatic as they claim religionists are, they just won't admit it.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Grimpachi

 

Religious doctrine will not be welcome that is all.

Yeh, nothing like a meeting which excludes all but 14% of the 7 billion people living on the planet from any discussion. But that's ok. The rest of us get enough of your dialogue and indoctrination in the public schools, Universities, think tanks and marts of the world.

edit on 12-3-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Nowhere in the article does it say that religious folk are not welcome. However if you decide to show up religious nonsensical talk is not welcome. Don’t start with the exclusion crap. I have put up with religious idiocy all my life.

Maybe missed my post where I said I have attended church for the community aspect but had to fain belief to avoid persecution from your type. Don’t be going on about exclusion when your lot likes to persecute.

You must feel threatened that there will be a dogma free zone where people can gather and get away from its influence.

Rofl, "Believe in me or burn in hell!"

Organized religion needs to shut up and die already.
Imagine how disappointed religious folk are going to be when they die and realize it was all a lie.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Rofl, "Believe in me or burn in hell!"

Organized religion needs to shut up and die already.
Imagine how disappointed religious folk are going to be when they die and realize it was all a lie.

I dont know how you can say such a thing. What do you know about the after live? Have you been there?

The odds of you being disappointed are just as high.

You cant prove that there is no God non of you can.

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they dont need to, they just dont really care.

anyway, i hope you have enjoyed your tiw's day, with luck woden's day will be just as great

Originally posted by spy66

You cant prove that there is no God non of you can.

Just had to get out of bed to resond to this... You cannot prove there are any gods either...none of you can.

Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by spy66

You cant prove that there is no God non of you can.

Just had to get out of bed to resond to this... You cannot prove there are any gods either...none of you can.

Correct. I cant physically prove it to you. Theoretically i could, but you would never accept it.

But i gues i am granted a sense you dont have, and that is faith.

Originally posted by solomons path

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
reply to post by grainofsand

 

Why is it that atheist believe they are being rational? just because you have not experienced a spiritual event does not make you more rational. It just means you missed something in life or are unable to receive it because of your current life path.

I find it highly irrational to believe it cannot exist. If you have never fallen in love it seems like you have no proof of it being real. If you have never felt spiritual it just means it has not happened for you, it does not disprove it.

Faith by it's very definition is not a reasonable proposition. It requires belief, in the face of a overwhelming lack of evidence and support . . . it's even mentioned in Hebrews 11. I would think a believer would realize that.

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Secular Humanism also depends on a kind of faith. Early humanists even said so, but they still believe that their faith depends on rational thought. Perhaps this is because they changed their minds about what they wanted to be called because they were challenged in a court of law and the only way they can inject their belief system into the schools is if they declared themselves to not be a religion. But in truth, they are the religion of no-God.

Originally posted by spy66

Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by spy66

You cant prove that there is no God non of you can.

Just had to get out of bed to resond to this... You cannot prove there are any gods either...none of you can.

Correct. I cant physically prove it to you.

But i gues i am granted a sense you dont have, and that is faith.

...and as said many times, faith means nothing