Atheist Sunday Assembly goes worldwide, the future is bright for non-believers

reply to post by masqua

But you don't really know what these people are getting together for so...

Besides you can't compare exercising ones right to free expression to a lynch mob.

See what i don't understand is that, you go to great lengths to try to condemn anyone who doesn't believe your "belief" or non belief or whatever it is. I know there are atheists out there that respect other religion and for those people, i respect that. But come on, if you don't believe in something, that's fine, nobody is forcing you to. Why are you swinging so far in the opposite direction, trying to take down other religions in the process? I have friends that are islamic, i have friends that are christian and i have friends that are atheist. We get along just fine and we've never tried to sabotage the beliefs of one another.

You're no better than a religious person trying to take down atheism.

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by daskakik

 

There's getting together for the social benefits and then there's getting together to rail against the beliefs of others.

Sorta like the difference between going to a benefit concert compared to a lynching party.

That is true, but the Sunday Assembly is about creating an environment for non-believers to hook up safe from the rantings of religious hatred. Don't accuse them of railing against the beliefs of others, that is your unfounded perception, nothing more.

...unless of course you want to provide specific examples of this group attacking religious groups? Oh, of course, there are none, silly me.

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by Chrisfishenstein

 

Looking forward to the T-shirts

Me too! I would buy one to piss on it and burn it.......You will have that experience first hand a little later though.....

Pissing and burning? You come across as a religious fanatic, you give decent non-preaching Christians and such a bad name. It's not the first time in this thread that you've come across as relishing the thought of us non-believers burning in the afterlife.

I think you're sick in the head to think in this line of thought and it's laughable that you think a God....who I would imagine would be infinitely intelligent...compassionate.....forgiving....e.c.t would possibly agree with you rubbing your hands together at the thought of someone burning for eternity. You, my brainwashed troll, are an idiot of the highest order.

Originally posted by humphreysjim
reply to post by interupt42

 

You don't believe in god, by definition you are an atheist. An agnostic atheist, to be precise.

Let me ask it this way, what is difference between an agnostic and an atheist?

My understanding is that an atheist doesn't believe in god based on lack of scientific proof derived from our known scientific laws .

Whereas an agnostic claims that he/she has no clue as to whether a god exists or doesn't exist, despite the lack of scientific proof derived from our known scientific laws .

Originally posted by JackBauer
See what i don't understand is that, you go to great lengths to try to condemn anyone who doesn't believe your "belief" or non belief or whatever it is.

Who is doing that? More false accusations again.

I know there are atheists out there that respect other religion and for those people, i respect that. But come on, if you don't believe in something, that's fine, nobody is forcing you to. Why are you swinging so far in the opposite direction, trying to take down other religions in the process?

Again, false accusations, this assembly is about a safe haven from religion for people who don't believe in gods. Why do you have a problem with that. Produce examples to support your wild claims?

I have friends that are islamic, i have friends that are christian and i have friends that are atheist. We get along just fine and we've never tried to sabotage the beliefs of one another.

Neither is the sunday assembly, that is just your unfounded perception. Please back up such claims if you are going to cry persecution.

You're no better than a religious person trying to take down atheism.

How can you 'take down atheism' ?? It is a lack of belief in gods.
Although, second thoughts, all the evangelical preaching, missionaries, and cries of fire and brimstone are certainly examples of people trying to sway the beliefs of others.
The sunday assembly is not doing that, no matter how hard you try to assert that they are.

reply to post by interupt42

The difference is that agnostics say "we don't know so it could go either way" and atheists say "we don't know but from the description given and given what we know, chances are that it is no".

Originally posted by grainofsand

Originally posted by masqua
reply to post by daskakik

 

There's getting together for the social benefits and then there's getting together to rail against the beliefs of others.

Sorta like the difference between going to a benefit concert compared to a lynching party.

That is true, but the Sunday Assembly is about creating an environment for non-believers to hook up safe from the rantings of religious hatred. Don't accuse them of railing against the beliefs of others, that is your unfounded perception, nothing more.

...unless of course you want to provide specific examples of this group attacking religious groups? Oh, of course, there are none, silly me.

Yes, they can be free on sunday from religious rantings, to be replaced by their own non religious rantings. Seems really tit-for-tat and [petty, but if they want to worship on a sunday, whilst s'n-word'ing at others who worship on a sunday, then that's fair play to them

From my favourite anti belief system poem....

"there are believing, and unbelieving fools"

Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

This includes ghosts, demons, pixies, gnomes, elves, mermaids, dragons etc etc.

This just proves my point, how absurd, that's not what I was referring to at all.

Originally posted by Acidtastic
Yes, they can be free on sunday from religious rantings, to be replaced by their own non religious rantings. Seems really tit-for-tat and [petty, but if they want to worship on a sunday, whilst s'n-word'ing at others who worship on a sunday, then that's fair play to them

You are making assumptions as to what is going to be discussed at these gatherings. For all you know the subject of religion may be totally missing. It doesn't necessarily have to be tit-for-tat.

I do not understand why Atheists feel the need to give a flying fart in space what others believe.

Frankly its none of your business..

reply to post by Acidtastic

Interesting inspiring reason based discussion is hardly ranting like some of the fire n brimstone crowd who have shown their faces in this thread, but hey if you don't see that yourself, I'm not interested in changing your opinion that much. Just ignore this thread and ignore the growth of the assembly if the brand comes to your area...they won't be knocking on strangers doors, I assure you

reply to post by humphreysjim


OK evidence for an intelligent creator... So you think that the spiral ...let me say this .. so you think that the golden ratio found in everything in nature is just .. what.. nature? Then why is it not only in our plant life it's also in our human life it's found again and again and even in the spiral nature of other galaxy? To me the Golden Ratio,PI the Fibonacci sequence appearing all over the place is enough proof for me this alone is confirmation of intelligent design. I suppose you say that's all just by chance. It's by chance we see the same formula that creates life in divers places all over the universe but it's random? I'm getting it. I'm afraid it's you that's not getting it? I suppose we would just go back and forth all day like that so.. I'm not worried about convincing you or anything if you wanna believe all things we see now are the result of a cosmic accident by all means who am I to stop you?

But really doesn't it seem silly sometimes to believe we and all things have come from what? Nothing? Huh? No that is not critical thinking as people love to throw around here on ATS. Seriously ludicrous. Think about this if one does embrace a creator and the possibility that a creator is responsible for all things and dimensions it would explain most all other mystery's in life including paranormal things, aliens, creation of mankind and would give us a hint of the afterlife being a reality. As soon as we reject that however then all the mystery's return to unexplainable or claims that all things we can't explain is perfectly normal or bunk.

reply to post by DaMod

Who said they did? Seems to me they are trying to create a space where they can get away from other's beliefs.

Originally posted by DaMod
I do not understand why Atheists feel the need to give a flying fart in space what others believe.

Frankly its none of your business..

And equally the social hooking up of non-believers in a religious free zone is none of yours...although you will be welcomed with open arms if you reign in the zealotry

Originally posted by NewAgeMan

Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

This includes ghosts, demons, pixies, gnomes, elves, mermaids, dragons etc etc.

This just proves my point, how absurd, that's not what I was referring to at all.

How is it absurd?
Those ideas I mentioned are no more provable or unprovable than your concept of a divine entity or force.
They are just further examples of things without any shred of evidence that I do not believe in.

Originally posted by daskakik
reply to post by interupt42

 

The difference is that agnostics say "we don't know so it could go either way" and atheists say "we don't know but from the description given and given what we know, chances are that it is no".

edit on 12-3-2013 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

Thats the way I understand it as well. However, ultimately I feel based on our limited knowledge of the universe the correct point of view is agnostic. The atheist believe is based on a theory which is not a fact and its based on what we know at this moment in time.

We can't comprehend beyond a certain point as to what was the initial catalyst of everything because it conflicts with our established scientific models.

Common sense and science tells us nothing interacting with nothing , should produce nothing. So at one point in time and beyond our comprehension or our understanding of science, an initial something must have appeared out of nowhere.

Since we can't comprehend how such a thing could occur , I can't honestly tell myself that some higher being couldn't have been involved. Of course, then we could get into who created that Higher being?

reply to post by 0rbital


Ignore that person. He believes in the traditions of men and not the actually teachings of Jesus and what scripture really tells us. The old testament certainly never teaches in a hell as the modern day church teaches and to this day the Jewish people don't believe in hell. Hell is a doctrine that came about from the Catholic church and Dante and all that dark stuff from those days. Every single spot that hell comes up in the new testament is completely misinterpreted because of the mindset of the "hell fire" believing catholic scribes during the darkest of days for religion and certainly wasn't the best time to translate with the dim understanding they had, but anyways you get the point.

What Christ did he did for all of us it's done you don't have to worry at all that's the good news. If you would like to know a creator like that during this life you certainly can or you can merge back to the source on death and at that point you'll have a much clearer understanding of how it all works and everything fits together. So... carry on.

reply to post by daskakik


Either that or have a forum to spread their complete distaste for them and those that hold them.

Just seems to me the Church of Atheism is trying to spread its wings and fly.

Of course my personal experience with atheists has been when they see anything that can even be remotely described as religious, they start foaming at the mouth.

Originally posted by DaMod
I do not understand why Atheists feel the need to give a flying fart in space what others believe.

Frankly its none of your business..

Exactly, those atheist crusades where horrendous.