Atheist Sunday Assembly goes worldwide, the future is bright for non-believers

Originally posted by miniatus

Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by miniatus

 

In the spirit of fairness, The Nave is a former Anglican Church, The Church of St Paul, Islington, London.
It closed as many Christian churches have due to falling attendances, so is no longer a church, just a decent sized building which anyone can rent out.

I never said it wasn't a church at some point in it's history because I wasn't sure. I just said that it's not a church, and it isn't, at least not in it's present form ..I wouldn't be surprised if it were in it's past.. I tried to find some mention of that on their web site but couldn't find any reference to it being a church .. if I had I would have mentioned it ( truthfully ).

But the point of fact is that it's not a church now, it's a licensed, commercial space that's rented out for events and concerts.. etc

Totally understand, and thanks for your reasoned contributions to the thread
Loads of former churches are used for other reasons these days in the UK, there's a few decent nightclubs near me which used to be places of worship. I expect many more to have changes of use in the future.

reply to post by grainofsand


self deluded much?
second line .. all in good fun ..but just saying ..

reply to post by firegoggles

I've seen Christians and believers of a Universal Creator differ on what God really is so, even with my opinion out of it, there seems to be a difference in definition. So, no I'm not just being difficult.

Originally posted by firegoggles
reply to post by grainofsand

 

self deluded much?

second line .. all in good fun ..but just saying ..

Not at all, as I've said previously, there is a big difference between posting information on an internet forum and knocking on strangers doors to convince them of an unproven faith based concept

reply to post by miniatus


The Bible is literal history. It explains that before God even made it habitable for mankind to live on that it was here since the creation of the universe, or at least close to it. In any case it's billions of years old or more. People confuse the early earth history with the history of modern man, the man that God created.

reply to post by interupt42


You don't believe in god, by definition you are an atheist. An agnostic atheist, to be precise.

reply to post by Konduit


It's not ignorance, some Christians believe the bible is to be taken literally, and I would think most assume Genesis is accurate. Atheists can only respond to the person they are debating. It they happen to be literalist, the atheist must refute the bible by treating it literally too.

reply to post by miniatus

I hope your avatar isn't an indication of what happens when someone embraces atheism.. just say'n.

reply to post by firegoggles


You're just not getting it. You don't seem to be reading a word I am saying. Atheism is lack of belief in God, as an atheist I do not claim to know there is no god, there is just no reason to believe in one.

There is no good evidence for a god, so I cannot find reason to believe in one, therefore I lack belief, therefore I am an atheist. Of course I cannot say for certain there is no god, no one can. Such a thing is not possible.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by miniatus

 

I hope your avatar isn't an indication of what happens when someone embraces atheism.. just say'n.

I don't think any of us need fear such a suggestion.
Oh, and you do not 'embrace' atheism, it is just a descriptive term for people who do not believe in gods. Why do so many people appear to struggle with such things?

Originally posted by grainofsand
Oh, and you do not 'embrace' atheism, it is just a descriptive term for people who do not believe in gods. Why do so many people appear to struggle with such things?

Because it seems they enjoy gathering together and embracing each other... like a cult.

reply to post by Fromabove


Everything matters all the more for me BECAUSE I am atheist.

reply to post by grainofsand

For me I struggle with it, because I've come to the conclusion that there is only one God and one condition only once the principal of the ego-self is undone. For some of us it's an experience, a state, not a belief in an external deity but the reception and giving out of a very generous act of unconditional love and sharing.

You're basing your lack of belief on a faulty conception of God, that's what I have a hard time with.

You think you know about what God not to believe in.

reply to post by daskakik


Still you were kinda picking.. my posts main points were ...

That creation points to intelligent design or at least appears that way.. at least much more than it "doesn't" appear that way. I suppose once again the duality of our universe rules again and it will come down to your "choice" to believe it is the result of an intelligence or not. So you see I wasn't trying to argue the nature or attributes of God just pointing out that the patterns around us scream non accidental math equations and harmony that are pretty complex and I think pretty tough to just give it to chance.

We identify with machines and the complexity of some designs all day and give praise to the designer. We look at the design on the earth bound pyramids and marvel at them and even science has only "theories" as to there construction and still we also see other theory pointing towards "beings from other worlds" AKA "Aliens" having a hand in the design, because as we all know it's just such an incredible design and the placement of them and bla bla bla bla bla right? But how much more wonderfully built and crafted is the universe we live in the earth and the humans thereupon.

We look at the incredible machine that is the universe and somehow make ourselves believe that it just "popped" into existence by chance oh...just because some guys in some white coats said so.
Yeah.

reply to post by masqua


Actually, all people do. We are social creatures.

What do you have against people getting together?

Originally posted by humphreysjim
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Everything matters all the more for me BECAUSE I am atheist.

Do you think it would be more correct to say, it matters because you want to discover whatever the truth may be ? In that you say you cannot deny there is no God though you have not had proof of any god. I think some day you will have the answer to the question. In fact all of us will.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

I don't believe in anything which has failed to produce any evidence in my life to convince me otherwise.
This includes ghosts, demons, pixies, gnomes, elves, mermaids, dragons etc etc.
I am happy for you if you feel convinced enough to believe whatever you feel you do. I along with many millions of people in the UK alone, demand much more to drop to my knees and proclaim 'oh great one' or whatever.

To repeat yet again, I do not say there are no invisible mystical entities or forces, just that I've seen nothing in my life to draw me towards believing in any of the various claims.

reply to post by daskakik


There's getting together for the social benefits and then there's getting together to rail against the beliefs of others.

Sorta like the difference between going to a benefit concert compared to a lynching party.

reply to post by firegoggles

But that is according to your definition of God and we don't all agree as to what that really is so, your point is based on a subjective point of view.

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