Atheist Sunday Assembly goes worldwide, the future is bright for non-believers

reply to post by grainofsand

How wonderful to have places for non-believers of gods, free from the damnation spouted by many who do.

This has to be leaving a lot of atheists pssd off. There goes the argument that atheism is not a religion.
Biggest crack pot religion of all in my opinion. Everything happens for absolutely no reason at all. Even consciousness.

What the hell good is it to be conscious of absolutely nothing. Oh wait I know. You can get together and form a religion and talk about nothing. Hilarious. IMO of course.

I am definitely LMAO.

Originally posted by Fromabove

It's like a group of tea makers gathering together in a room to discuss the intricacies of rocket science based upon the theories of Einstein and Hawkins as it relates to quantum mechanics. No, I'm not lying, they really have no reason to gather together except to admit that there's nothing going on and no real purpose for it. I find it amusing really.

Again, you have it backwards.

Religion says: God did it. There is nothing more to discuss.
Scientists spend their life pondering answers to the Universe's origins.

The things to discuss outside of religion are endless, you conceited man.

reply to post by humphreysjim


Ok I'll define. Intelligent Creator.

The one responsible for all the math we see around us. The one that collapsed "The Wave" at the start of all things.

How's that? Simple.

God=Creator of the universe including all dimensions we know of and don't know of.

My first posts still stands ad here is why...

You can not answer to whether or not there is a creator, so therefore you don't know. Humans don't have even a "spec" of all the information and mystery's the universe holds. Yet we are so arrogant that we think we can now make the call that there is no creator? That's laughable.

Originally posted by skalla

Originally posted by InnerPeace2012
The problem I see here with this never ending arguments between the "believers" and the "non-believers" is the tendency to prove wrong contradicting ideologies...

Has one not considered that each of the ideas represented can be a part of a larger picture??? Or are we too afraid to wander past our comfort zones???

Peace

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most folk do want to be right, which i dont see as a major character flaw whatsoever, we'd rather not waste too much time after all.

however, on ats many people want others to be wrong... i get the impression you may see this too.

as to moving out side of our comfort zone and folksies not liking that..... well, we can hardly blame people for that, though there are many amongst us who will try to encourage them in one way or another, though mostly if we are honest, it just comes down to wanting to be right again.

if i really look at it, it just comes down to fallibility or ego, which is natural enough.

if i really really really look at it, none of it matters a whit

It's all natural human behavior, and that's why it's an ongoing problem. On a wider scope of things, this here is the fundamental problem that hinders societal peace and harmony.

As long as we hold up our belief systems, and accept everything as it is, is not such a bad idea after all is it not?

The more we argue to try to prove a point the more we drag this "nonsense" to epic proportions. What may the future hold for such human arrogance?

Peace

Originally posted by solomons path
reply to post by Cuervo

 

And as I've said before in this thread . . . if you want to believe in the supernatural, have it. I don't care, nor do I care if you don't believe. I haven't pushed my beliefs on you, but you are still describing faith as you can't provide this "evidence" to anyone else. If you could, everyone would be a believer or have this "gnosis". To say you don't because you "choose not to" is a cop out. If you choose to call faith "gnosis" . . . that is also your prerogative.

This is the issue you can't seem to get pass. Obviously, a person does not "choose" to not provide evidence that they, personally, have experienced. That's not what I said. I agreed that they can not do that. My point was that this is still evidence that makes faith unnecessary.

For example, if you were in the woods and saw Bigfoot and you were able to converse with it, that would be evidence of his existence. Even though you took no pictures, your witness account alone counts a little as evidence but, even more, your experience is full evidence to you. It is not opinion, it is evidence in every definition of the word.

This is what many people experience with spirituality and therefore don't even need faith to follow their path.

Originally posted by solomons path
Here . . . I'll give you a way out of "faith". How is anything in the known universe possible only through or with the help of the supernatural? For if there is a natural expanation, there is no reason to involve the supernatural, which again we currently have no evidence for. For inherent "gnosis" is faith . . . faith that your "gnosis" is correct. Just one piece of evidence that leads to "gnosis" . . . that is all.

There isn't anything that can't be explained by nature. But many would say that nature is a component to divinity. Asking a question like that doesn't really go anywhere because both sides just circle one another.

Again, there is no need to have "faith" in an experience. It is not suspect any more than what I read about cosmology or see in the news.

Originally posted by solomons path
ETA - The burden of proof is on the one that claims to something that has no evidence to support it . . . You can't prove a negative. No evidence . . . doesn't exist.

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I'll agree that you don't need faith to be an atheist but not everybody needs faith to not be one, either.

Originally posted by Arashikage

Why is the necessary in the first place? I'm Christian and I have a hand full of Atheist friends. My little brother even has his doubts but is this really necessary? Okay, you don't believe in God, but why do this? Why have a giant assembly just to bash the billions who devote their life to their beliefs?

Man, just read the OP. The group is not there just to bash religion

Look, I'll do the work for you:

"There's so much about Church that has nothing to do with God -- it's about meeting people, it's about thinking about improving your life,".

The Sunday Assembly's central tenets are to "help often, live better and wonder more".

At last Sunday's service, which had a volunteering theme, songs included "Help" by the Beatles and "Holding Out For A Hero" by Bonnie Tyler.

The "sermon" was given by the founder of an education charity, while in a section called Pippa Is Trying Her Best, Evans had the congregation in stitches as she reported on her attempts at voluntary work.

"You can spend all day in London not talking to anyone," said Evans. "I think people really want somewhere they can go and meet other people, which doesn't involve drinking and which you don't have to pay to get into."

Originally posted by firegoggles

Ok I'll define. Intelligent Creator.

How's that? Simple.

You can not answer to whether or not there is a creator, so therefore you don't know. Humans don't have even a "spec" of all the information and mystery's the universe holds. Yet we are so arrogant that we think we can now make the call that there is no creator? That's laughable.

I responded to that in my post. I cannot say for sure whether such a creator is real or not, but I have no good reason to think he is, so the only thing I can do is lack belief in such a being, which, by defiinion, makes me an atheist.

How's that? Simple.

reply to post by humphreysjim


The Big Bang Theory and evolution of life is basically just a more detailed version of genesis chapter one.

The first thing God created was the light; genesis 1. verse 3. The Big Bang starts out with just the same thing.

reply to post by spy66


Wow, that's like saying the full works of Shakespeare is just a more detailed version of the one word "Once".

Can you imagine a scientist submitting a theory to a journal that amounted to "In the beginning, there was light"...and that's it?

He'd be laughed out of the building.

Genesis is nothing more than a vague, yet clearly scientifically inaccurate fairy tale. It says the stars are fixed in the sky, and that "days" and "nights" existed before the sun even did. It's complete nonsense, my friend. It is an insult to the genius of the scientists involved in the creation of the theory to compare it to the Genesis fable.

reply to post by spy66


pretty much all cosmology does this, all we need to do is be bothered to seek it out and think on it - chistianity has no monopoly on this... however if one only thinks deeply on one set of beliefs then this realisation will never be reached

All i see are people trading one institutionalized religion for yet another. Maybe one day all the Atheists will lead a Grand Crusade to purify the earth of all the faith worshipers....

I'm not a very religious person but its very interesting that they would choose to do this in a former House of God... I mean read between the lines people, this is a Satanists wet dream. I guarantee the people organizing these events have motives of their own, and it does say that in the end times the Houses of God will be desecrated and converted to worship false idols and religions. Lets just see if Peter the Roman becomes the next Pope!

Originally posted by humphreysjim
reply to post by spy66

 

Wow, that's like saying the full works of Shakespeare is just a more detailed version of the one word "Once".

Can you imagine a scientist submitting a theory to a journal that amounted to "In the beginning, there was light"...and that's it?

He'd be laughed out of the building.

Genesis is nothing more than a vague, yet clearly scientifically inaccurate fairy tale. It says the stars are fixed in the sky, and that "days" and "nights" existed before the sun even did. It's complete nonsense, my friend. It is an insult to the genius of the scientists involved in the creation of the theory to compare it to the Genesis fable.

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You totally miss the point.

Originally posted by DocHolidaze
reply to post by grainofsand

 

like I said, a true atheist celebrates nothing. to embellish on this. an atheist only celebrates what is important to him/her in there life not anybody elses, and certainly not an idea. anybody that would attend one of these things is a poser, and just trying to fit in.

How do you know what atheists celebrate. Most atheists I know enjoy Xmas as much as any Christian. You don't have a monopoly on Christmas, which is a pagan event anyway. Why can we not celebrate the change in seasons, like humans have since long before Christianity came along.

How much of the bible do you truly believe, did you follow the laws about no sex before marriage, loving your neighbour? Or just the cherry picked version, that gives you a sense of spiritual one upmanship.

Originally posted by humphreysjim
reply to post by spy66

 

Wow, that's like saying the full works of Shakespeare is just a more detailed version of the one word "Once".

Can you imagine a scientist submitting a theory to a journal that amounted to "In the beginning, there was light"...and that's it?

He'd be laughed out of the building.

Genesis is nothing more than a vague, yet clearly scientifically inaccurate fairy tale. It says the stars are fixed in the sky, and that "days" and "nights" existed before the sun even did. It's complete nonsense, my friend. It is an insult to the genius of the scientists involved in the creation of the theory to compare it to the Genesis fable.

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Again I'm not a fan of organized religion but the Bible is not meant to be taken literally, Its all metaphor. This seems to be the most prolific ignorance when it comes to both Catholicism and Atheism.

"If thy eye be single, then thy body shall be full of light" I would love to see Atheists running around with patches over their eye screaming that there is no God because they aren't glowing in the dark

Originally posted by Konduit
All i see are people trading one institutionalized religion for yet another. Maybe one day all the Atheists will lead a Grand Crusade to purify the earth of all the faith worshipers....

Interesting though that they would choose to do this in a former House of God... I mean read between the lines people. I guarantee the people organizing these events have motives of their own, and it does say that in the end times the Houses of God will be desecrated and converted to worship false idols and religions. Lets just see if Peter the Roman becomes the next Pope!

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It's good to see like minded folks amid this war of "cleansing" here...perhaps we should form a "Sunday Gathering" and call ourselves the "Free Masons", hid what secret knowledge for future generations.

Makes one wonder a how it all started some years ago as simply underground society with like minded folks that eventually became a tool for controlling the masses and hence the mess we've gotten ourselves into thus far???

Peace

Originally posted by humphreysjim
reply to post by interupt42

 

Your link agrees with what I said completely. I fail to see your reasons for linking to it.

If you don't believe this is the case, you might want to reread it. An agnostic atheist (someone who is both an agnostic, and an atheist), for instance would be someone who does not believe in God, but also does not claim absolute knowledge of God's existence either way (what the vast majority of atheists are).

Their is a fine line between an atheist and an agnostic, so perhaps we are arguing on the line.

There's a simple test to tell if one is an agnostic or not. Do you think you know for sure if any gods exist? If so, then you're not an agnostic

I tend to claim that I have no Idea whether god exists, hence I'm agnostic.

Originally posted by skalla
reply to post by spy66

 

pretty much all cosmology does this, all we need to do is be bothered to seek it out and think on it - chistianity has no monopoly on this... however if one only thinks deeply on one set of beliefs then this realisation will never be reached

Christianity have more monopoly on this than people can or will wrap their heads around. Just considder who have monopoly on our time. What institution have the power to alter time and wholy days?

People who claim they dont believe in God, Dont know that they actually fallow a religion without being aware of it. They fallow the gregorian callander with all its rituals without knowing its purpouse. And they claim they dont fallow any religion?

reply to post by humphreysjim


So you feel you have gained enough knowledge thus far in life to state without a reasonable doubt that you "know" there is no creator? Yes or No?

I disagree with your post and put forth again the math and pattern found in nature. Call it fractal call it golden ratio, everything we look at screams math and order and not the notion of chaos so many cling to. Further more if this were not a universe with a multidimensional layer to it we surely wouldn't have "quantum tunneling" and the like, and that again at the very least points to the reality of dimensions unseen and can even lend credence to the possibility of other realms to exist that perhaps in times past have been labeled "spirit world".

I say that nature and the creation around us is a testament of the design underway. But this is how I see it. I'm sure you see it as more random acts coming together to create life and the functions of the universe by chance.

But over all I still ask that simple question that reveals the absolute arrogance and pride of those that claim atheist...

Can you say without a shadow of doubt that a creator exists or not based on the knowledge that mankind has available presently?

In truth I am convinced that the purpose of Christ is our absolute liberation in love whereby faith in God isn't a belief in an external deity but the very condition of one who is liberated and who therefore loves as he is loved (by virtue of his own inclusion) and who is love itself. It's an intimate, participatory, co-creative relationship, and an opportunity of breathtaking magnitude and proportion as a gateway of a domain of unlimited and unconstrained possibility for the human being to be and become full and freely and authentically self expressed as he is.

Of course such thinking would not be permitted at an atheist party..

Originally posted by grainofsand
reply to post by FraternitasSaturni

 

What? People hooking up together to celebrate life without unsubstantiated scriptures ruling the agenda?
Call it what you like, it matters not. I'm looking forward to meeting loads more people who genuinely do not believe in gods in my area. They are coming out of the woodwork now organised meeting places are popping up under the Sunday Assembly brand

You really don't see why people find this ironic do you? Strange. I'm not particularly keen on darts (the sport) - do you think that if I started a community event based on nothing other than the fact everybody there doesn't like darts - no other reason and it's you that is making this analogy easy - you wouldn't find that just a little.... strange?

Most people view atheism is an individual choice, not as a membership to a club, but you are showing a side to yourself by snide remarks about various faiths that atheism is in your eyes a cult for people who aren't fooled by religion - that's paraphrasing you but fairly much sums up your comments.