Fuel the hate.

With hate a lot can be accomplished. Hate bad things from the past.

The bible asks to hate evil, as God does.

By hate one can become 'centered'. Hate works protecting, for a protecting aura. All chackras should be activated, that includes hate and anger. I'm thinking about defense here. Don't overdo though, too much of anything is bad for you.

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No, I don't agree.

Hate is like a hot coal. By holding on to it you only hurt yourself.

If there was a lot less hate in the world there would be a lot more love. Surely this is our only savior?

Also - there is no hate chakra. I don't know where you got that from?

Originally posted by Angle
With hate a lot can be accomplished. Hate bad things from the past.

“Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.” -Gautama Siddharta / Buddha

Carrying hate is like carrying unnecessary baggage - it's a waste of energy that is best spent elsewhere or on something more productive.

I like it. thanks for sharing OP.

I think this is a legit thread and a profound philosophy, but I feel it is lacking one minor thing - which some members have already come and pointed out - yet I don't think lacking this one minor part illustrates that the entire philosophy is flawed.

On the contrary, hate and love form a delicate balance. One cannot exist without the other, such is the nature of our dualistic reality. I think the original post here is definitely defining the role of hate, which I agree with mostly.

I want to add this experiment and it's results



This is the infamous water molecule/emotion experiment by that Japanese guy ( for this response I won't get further into it, other than what it is presented as and it's conclusions presented in the video )..

So, alot of people are 'opposed to hate', you could say they even 'hate hatred' But if all hatred ceased, then we could imagine the molecules ( not just water but ALL structured molecules and matter ) that we could be creating that would never have a form of destruction. We need to destroy/change things constantly. It's just like that saying to create something new you destory the old I guess?

Anyhow, I think the value I wanted to add here is not to temper hate with love. But rather, to redefine that hate is a loose term applied to just one aspect of a dualistic nature that creates/destorys ( in this case destroys ) in our existence - all pretty much dependent on our thoughts and actions.

Originally posted by Angle
By hate one can become 'centered'.

I wanted to add that I think this is a profound statement also. While sometimes too much of that intense energy which manifests as hate can give a person 'tunnel vision' which may lead them to actions they later regret.. In a controlled and harnessed manner one can become severely resolute in their actions while acting with those energies.

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Life is short. You don't get the feel for that truth at first. Youth seems an eternal spring where naivety feeds concepts of comfort. But it does eventually happen; you begin to understand the terminal nature of our physical existence and then questioning all your beliefs. You look back at the path you have taken to that point and anguish at the waste.

But... true hate is rare, as well. Consider that it is the opposite of true love and how so many people spend their lifetimes in search of it and end up dying having never known it.

It is, of course, your call to make. It is your life and how you spend each day is your choice. If you find the value of your time in this existence is best spent concentrating on negatives... then it will be your reflections upon that expense, in the end, that you will have to answer to.

Best to ya

It reminds me of a song by Machinehead: "Davidian". In it it is sung "Hatred is purity".

I thought about it when you stated 'true hate' redoubt. Then I thought about pure hate. Hatred in pure form.
That way it reminded me of the song.

Nice song though. Check it out on youtube. btw, I like all songs on their album 'Burn my eyes'. Davidian is the first of the album.

I see some understand what I mean, like indigo... (sorry, I couldn't remember your full name, and I have slow internet to switch pages quick.. hn ) can relate. The first chakra for the kundalini to move through is the root/base chakra, the rootchakra which by anger and hate makes sure only the pure energy moves through the rest of the chakras. That was somehow my philosphy behind it. I came to this conclusion. Something profound?

The mystical bible teaches to hate evil.

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Chakra work has very little to do with hate and anger...

The goal of Chakra meditation is to awaken the the lower, animal nature—the Feminine, or the Great Mother, known as Devī—so that Her energy might be unified with the eternal, higher nature of the divine—the Masculine, or Pure Consciousness, known as Śiva—through the process of Kuṇḍalinī Yoga.

None-the-less, I do agree with your overall statement.

All emotions are valid, in moderation. Too much Hate leads to anger, and violence. On the other side of that coin though, too much Love can make one weak, or oblivious to the reality of a situation.

The Middle Pillar, the Way of Peace, or the Noble Eight-Fold Path, have always been the appropriate means by which to temper the emotional spectrum.

It's spiritual alchemy, really. Learning when to let your anger give you strength, and courage; and when to let your Love elicit forgiveness and understanding.

Too much of either/or, and you're an incomplete being.

~ Wandering Scribe

Thank you for the input wandering scribe. It somehow brought peace to me.

I'd say hating evil is the base for one being good. Otherwise there is no pure commitment to the good? One collaborates one could say. That way, there is no beginning of kundalini yoga. It will be 'fake'.

If kundalini yoga is for the transformation of a sinfull man/woman back to the perfect being.

mmh. Would you like to continue talking to eachother?

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Kuṇḍalinī has less to do with sin, or having "fallen" from grace, and more to do with completion and awakening.

The core tenet of Kuṇḍalinī Yoga is that every human being is a complete entity, composed of two vital forces. One is Masculine: warm, illuminated, and simplistic. The other is Feminine: cold, dark, and complex. Through the processes of Kuṇḍalinī Yoga, the applicant attempts to awaken their Feminine energy, and "uncoil" it, so that the cold, dark Devī-Śakti can be united with the warm, illuminated Śiva-Śakti. This process results in the opening of the Third Eye, a spiritual Awakening, and the attainment of Pure Consciousness.

It is much like the Yín-Yáng of Taoism, where the Feminine Force (Yín) needs to be reunited with the Masculine Force (Yáng) in order to achieve Peace and Balance (Tao). I suppose, from a Biblical standing, the process of repentance (submission, the Feminine) and forgiveness (domination, the Masculine) may be similar. Although, I do not subscribe to Biblical spirituality, so I cannot really say for sure.

As for hating evil, I cannot say that I believe such is possible. For every action deemed "evil," which the Bible would have us hate, there is almost always a way in which that action can be used for "good," which completely nullifies the Lord's command. Good and Evil are, in reality, all shades of grey. They're subjective terms, which we overlay onto personal moral codes and ethical compasses.

For example, the Lord commands that the killing of non-believers, and the taking of slaves from conquered lands are both good. Yet, my own moral standpoint is that murdering anyone, believer or non-believer, is wrong. Similarly, slavery of any kind is also wrong. So, where the Lord says it is good, I say it is evil. Do you see my predicament with accepting good and evil as absolutes?

~ Wandering Scribe

This is a somewhat tricky topic, for a couple different reasons. To start, I will say that I mostly, generally agree with what nothingwrong had to say. Generally speaking, they are right.

Originally posted by nothingwrong
No, I don't agree.

Hate is like a hot coal. By holding on to it you only hurt yourself.

If there was a lot less hate in the world there would be a lot more love. Surely this is our only savior?

Also - there is no hate chakra. I don't know where you got that from?

Thinking that you are going to "use" hate.... especially against another person, is very much like trying to throw a hot coal and hit someone in the head. No matter what, you will harm yourself just by handling it. Likewise, hate will always harm you just by picking it up. In order to feel something (especially deeply, passionately) that is what you have to become. You can not project hate without feeling it. When you feel hate, that is what you are.

And there is absolutely no such thing as a "hate chakra." At least, not one listed in any book I've ever read-- which is quite a lot. The heart chakra deals with emotions, and it is when this is unbalanced or blocked, that we supposedly feel more negative emotions like hate.


Moving along, I think an important distinction needs to be made. And to some this may seem like semantics. But I think the word "hate" is thrown around far too casually in our society. In many cases where a "softer" word such as "dislike" would be more appropriate. "Hate" is defined as an intense and passionate dislike. It is an extreme aversion toward something. Any good definition you find will use wording like this. Intense, passionate, extreme. I tend to think of it as something absolutely consuming and controlling. It is blind hate (mixed with rage) that causes someone to pull a guy out of his car and beat him half to death, just because he cut them off in traffic. And this extreme intensity and passion is one of the reasons I think this distinction needs to be made.

When you are feeling that extremely intense and passionate (especially in a negative direction) you can not also be simultaneously "centered." Forgive me if this sounds presumptuous, but I'm inclined to think that anyone who believes that either doesn't know what true "centeredness" feels like.... or otherwise they're working with another emotion which they're mis-labeling as "hate."

True hate is blinding. It causes one to lose control, not gain it. And it pulls you off-balance, and out of center. Indigothefish has a fair point-- in that in a world of opposites, hate must exist for love to exist. But that doesn't make it any more "good," just because it is sometimes "necessary."

That being said.... Anger, on the other hand, can be harnassed and utilized for productive purposes, as long as it is willfully kept in check and tempered with gentler, more productive emotions.

I suppose hatred of a concept like evil, suffering, cruelty, is not as destructive as hatred of a person. As the saying goes-- "don't hate the sinner, but rather hate the sin. Even then, though, I am certain that if it is not carefully controlled and tempered with a "higher" emotion, it is not very useful. Anger can be a gift if it motivates you to change something you do not like. This is one of the only truly good uses of anger, IMHO. Uncontrolled, it will change nothing but your blood pressure.

Hate (of both sinners and sins) has been one of the main driving forces of religious inteolerance and violence over the centuries, and it still is. How many supposedly "loving" christians have you seen bash others who do not share their views, or who commit some act they see as being sinful (homosexuality, for example?) Look at how some "sinners" are treated in certain Arab countries-- stoned to death.

This is the face of hatred. Uncontrolled, or poorly tempered.

Originally posted by Angle
With hate a lot can be accomplished. Hate bad things from the past.
The bible asks to hate evil, as God does.

Now why would he do that. He knows full well that hate is a negative energyform that so attracts the same energy to itself.

angle
By hate one can become 'centered'. Hate works protecting, for a protecting aura. All chackras should be activated, that includes hate and anger. I'm thinking about defense here. Don't overdo though, too much of anything is bad for you.

Centered; by activating the snake in your spine you are thinking of it as hatefull (evil). Hate does not protect it opens doors (a secret key that fits your lock).

Hate, like anger, is an energy...lower chakras (base emotional response - unmitigated by higher harmonics) is the same energy 'stallion', unbridled...oh Arjuna...

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I think it is a huge mistake including hate as a necessary component to "duality". It's funny because I actually posted something about this on another thread today:

People often espouse having a balance between good and evil because they believe it is the same as Yin-Yang or light and dark. It is not. Not even close. Though you may need a balance between light and dark, Yin and Yang, male and female, you do not need a balance of love and hate or good and evil. Light, dark, good, and evil are all mutually exclusive concepts.

I honestly do not believe hate is necessary. I think it is an analog to evil. And, no, I do not think evil is required for good to exist. I think that is just something for people to cling to in order to justify selfish behavior. We would be just fine without hate and evil.

Gray areas, people, gray areas.

Disliking has got nothing to do with loving something or hating something. One can like something, but therefore he does not love it already. Or is liking something and loving something the same thing?

I say hate can be constructive. Does anybody understand?

Originally posted by Angle
Gray areas, people, gray areas.

Disliking has got nothing to do with loving something or hating something. One can like something, but therefore he does not love it already. Or is liking something and loving something the same thing?

I say hate can be constructive. Does anybody understand?

Only if it (hate) describes a Moral self positioning/stance against something and not used as a WILL enforced tactic upon or directed toward others. The problem with the word or intent of HATE is that it is so exteme; therefor forceful. Fling such ideas or thoughtforms around unbeknownst to you then are bound to them whether you like it or not and whatever it/they brings with them; in all likelihood, not an Easter Bunny basket bearing carrier of hard boiled vinegar colored chicken eggs. Rabbit wears a chocolate fur coat.