Fluoride Varnish - School Kids Used As Guinea Pigs

My son is five. Like any good parents we are protective of him. We tend to question advice from health professionals as a matter of course, and make at least informed decisions that are hopefully the right ones.

Last year we took our boy to the dentist for a regular checkup. After checking his teeth the dentist asked us if she could apply fluoride varnish to his teeth. We had no idea what it was, but I asked how long would it last. The dentist said 24 hours (this doesn't correspond with Child-Smile claim "..the benefits of the fluoride will last for several months"). I said to the dentist - well what's the point?. She said, well there is no fluoride in the water around here. I said, no thanks... leave it. Our boy brushes regularly with toothpaste, and his baby teeth are fine.

So that was that, until last week when we got a letter from our boy's school asking us enroll him in a 4 year Fluoride Varnish Programme where they want to apply fluoride varnish to his teeth twice a year. All the kids at his school got the form. Well, obviously we wanted to know more about fluoride varnish before deciding anything. We decided to look up fluoride varnish, and what we found was deeply concerning.

We started with Childsmile, which is pretty much the first fluoride varnish link on Google (UK).

Child-Smile tells us:

Many scientific studies from around the world have shown that fluoride varnish is effective in reducing the decay rate in children when used in addition to brushing teeth regularly with fluoride toothpaste. A Cochrane Systematic Review (external link) of 2008 confirmed the statistically significant caries-inhibiting effect of fluoride varnish.

Okay, that sounded good. Many scientific studies. Well lets check out this Cochrane Systematic Review. Well this is an odd one. Despite coming to the conclusion that "Fluoride varnishes applied professionally two to four times a year would substantially reduce tooth decay in children", the author admits this conclusion was reached based largely on trials with no treatment controls. No control group? He goes on: "Given the relatively poor quality of most of the included studies and the wide confidence intervals around the estimates of effect, there remains a need for further trials."

So here is a further trail that found "We could find no evidence of a caries preventive benefit of 22,600 ppm fluoride varnish applied to the first permanent molar teeth in the school setting." This trail was a cluster randomized controlled trial to measure the effectiveness of fluoride varnish as a public health intervention to prevent caries in the first permanent molars of 7 and 8 year-old children when delivered in the school setting.
A cluster-randomized controlled trial: fluoride varnish in school children.


So, hard evidence that fluoride varnish does nothing to prevent tooth decay. So why roll this stuff out at our local school? Give it to people kids? Why indeed... It could be part of an ongoing £1.3 mil pound trial by Professor Ivor Chestnutt Strange because nowhere on the enrollment form does it mention the word trail, human guinea pig, or indeed the fact there was already evidence that proves fluoride varnish does nothing to prevent tooth decay.

I think the proponents of fluoride are nuts. They disregard all the evidence that proves that fluoride is bad if too much of it is present in the body. They are blind as a bat. I guess the smart people will inherit the earth, let them keep loving fluoride. I'm tired of warning people, they just can't see it no matter how much evidence you produce.

That is sick.

Thank you for posting this information. S&F!

When my 3 year old starts school, i'll be public enemy no.1.

I will make it my mission to inform as many parents to the dangers of flouride, aspartame, sucralose etc, that we and our children are being poisoned with.

I filter my water, don't drink anything with arti sweeteners in and only use flouride free toothpaste (which you can get from holland and barrets)

Once again, thank you for bringing this to the table. I'll be asking my ol' doris, who's a teacher, whether she has heard anything about this in the primary school she teaches at.

When I was young, the dentist tried giving me a Fluoride Treatment. It was like a tooth mold that fit the entire mouth and tasted like plastic and toothpaste. I spit it out at least 5 times before the dentist gave up. After telling my mom about how I hated it, she made sure the nurses put a note on my chart not to give me the Fluoride Treatment. My poor brother went along with it the first time, so they wouldn't allow him to NOT get it.

If ever given a choice, DON'T take the Fluoride.

reply to post by zigguratvertigo


Here, read about my story also!! You will find many links within it about flouride....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

My daughter isn't even a year old yet and my doctor pushed a FLUORIDE SUPPLEMENT to her....

Don't do it!!! Please read my thread and browse through for links to help you in your quest also!!

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You know your filter doesn't filter flouride??

You can read up on that in my thread I posted above.....

You need a specific filter to do that.....

If you don't want that fluoride, you better look into it now.....

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by SilentE

 

You know your filter doesn't filter flouride??

You can read up on that in my thread I posted above.....

You need a specific filter to do that.....

If you don't want that fluoride, you better look into it now.....

Yes I understand that but it does filter out some of the other nasty stuff that's in there.

I will look at your thread now.

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Just sift through it for links, there are tons of pages of my conversation in there that doesn't pertain to a specific filter for fluoride in water....

My water doesn't have flouride, so that wasn't the premise of the thread......But there were people discussing that there....

Say no to fluoride

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Great post and well done for putting the effort in to do some research regarding your children...

I got in touch with an anti-flouridation group at one time because we live in a flouridated area... We went to the council and we had a very knowlegable, articulate elderly lady as our speaker...

Before we went in the people who were defending flouride had a nice little private meeting which we could not attend! Then we were let in and our speaker did a great job going over the facts and the studies etc... The pro flouride people (2 shifty looking guys) said "we have submitted our report and have nothing more to add"

That was that, they voted to not even look into it! Can you believe that? They were too busy apparently and the wellbeing of the population just isn't really that high up the list so they will continue to add toxic waste into the water supply!

I mean what can you say? The only thing you can do is purchase a reverse osmosis filter system (big bucks)... But even then it is in our food too! It is also very high in tea! You would be hard pushed to avoid it completely...

Make no mistake they are poisoning us just so that certain industries can save some money and they can dispose of the toxic waste!

Next time you visit the dentist ask them if they know where the flouride comes from! They will not know because they are ignorant like most other people and only believe what they are told!

There was also another study or rather review of studies that the gov likes to roll out as proof flouride is good for you and that is the york report... Well because of this the main guy who headed up that review released a statement on the university (york university hence "york report") website stating that he was concerned about how gov and others were using the review.

He basically said that he could not find any good evidence of anything! All the studies he reviewed were of low quality! Yet gov paraded it around like it was the definitive yes! It most certainly was not...

They are criminals through and through and couldn't care less about you or your kids! This is the cold hard truth...

Oh next why not look into school in general... Why not start with this one...



Never listen to the "experts" and go with your own knowledge and intuition.

Here is some good info for removing flouride from water and what doesn't remove flouride.

How to remove flouride

I didn't know that boiling water actually concentrates flouride!

Dancing with water

Flouride Action Network

According to the British Fluoridation Society, there are more people drinking artificially fluoridated water in the United States than all other countries combined

If that statement is true then that is shocking!

That is just a few out of a S# load of anti-flouride sites.

I also didn't know that we can absorb it through our skin and inhale it either.
Man, this is getting harder and harder to avoid. I won't stand by and do nothing. Something must be done. I think
I might produce some flyers and go door to door and atleast try to make people aware.

Who is responsible for flouridating everything? Maybe we should go after the factories that produce this for our use. Arrggh!

Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by SilentE

 

Say no to fluoride

Preach!

I might even get that printed on a shirt.

On a positive note I did have a really good chat with a dentist from the local hospital. I am fairly well versed on fluoride so I gave him what I knew and he was genuinely interested and he admitted that he didn't know about any of it and he promised me that he would look into it and see for himself...

Conversely I spoke to our local dentist when she was trying to ply our children with poison and basically she used an appeal to authority "I've been to uni don't ya know!"

She didn't know what fluoride was or where it came from but allegedly she had heard the against argument while at uni, I find that very difficult to believe considering she didn't even know where it comes from!

I have also spoken to a specialist who recommended much less fluoride than they advise and her co-worker said non at all!

I find that somewhat encouraging... Yet STILL they are promoting this abomination though! I mean it doesn't even stand to reason and logic! You don't even need the evidence to put this one to bed!

Hang on, disregard everything I have said because it can't be true as gov is there for us! What would we do without gov? I mean they are like our parents and there is no way they would put us in harms way... No really...

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I would provide a copy of that study with highlighted parts stating this study to be inconclusive and poorly executed to the school board. Adding a copy of the chemical make up of fluoride in use. If they still decide to go thorough with it, you know there's something wrong.

Trying to convince someone that believes that fluoride is good for them that it is bad is hard. A little fluoride in an organic form helps to keep most people civil but the system that has been incorporated in this country is not good for health or mental function. Look at all the people on meds nowadays. Why? Fluoride added to water is not the only problem but it helps to contribute to the problem. It's compounding action and the conditioning that has been done to people is what is making this go out of control.

People will rarely admit they are wrong and will ignore any evidence that is contrary to their beliefs most time. This is a problem that used to be referred to as "bull headed". "Set in their ways" can be different, it is usually referring to traditional thinking. The fact that people are believing that fluoride is good for you can now almost be considered a part of "Set in their ways" because it has been going on since the seventies and has crossed a few generations and got accepted. Fluoride is necessary in our diet in an organic form to maintain civility, it is not good in the form that they are adding it. Even too much coffee or tea is not good for us though.

I thought I was going to stop caring about others drinking this poison. I am getting tired of using rationality to convince others and finding it is ignored. People are so worried about their white teeth they can't see that they are having more dental costs and that it isn't changing anything. Simply brushing your teeth after meals kept my teeth hard, using unfloridated toothpaste. If people would get more minerals, the added molybdenum and possibly selenium would harden tooth enamel better. They work by helping the blood work better which consequently helps fight decay.

Fluoride is a waste-byproduct of heavy industry. It's cheaper for them to pay for it to be added to crap we ingest than it is for them to pay for it to be disposed. They sold the notion that 'if you dilute it enough..it's safe" to society and product-makers.

Now...while a few parts-per-whatever IS safe for consumption, what happens if you consume 10 of those items a day?

It's a genius scheme/marketing ploy if you ask me and the stupid municipalities etc are still falling for it. Try to have a logical, fact-based discussion with them about it and they think you're nuts for not going along with the status-quo

Thanks for all your comments. I've got a small confession, and that is that I'm not anti-fluoride as such. It's probably denial on my part. Fluoride was always a good thing when I was a kid, but this relatively untested high concentration of fluoride that they want to slap on kids teeth has completely enraged me.

Kids tooth paste has fluoride 1000 ppm, this fluoride varnish has fluoride 22,600 ppm. I believe this might be the product :Colgate Duraphat Varnish

Originally posted by XLR8R
reply to post by zigguratvertigo

 

I would provide a copy of that study with highlighted parts stating this study to be inconclusive and poorly executed to the school board. Adding a copy of the chemical make up of fluoride in use. If they still decide to go thorough with it, you know there's something wrong.

Thanks for the advice. I'm not actually sure what to do next. Obviously we are not going to agree to have our son put in this trail, but I think other parents should be (at a minimum) informed that it appears to be a test or trail. I'm not a lawyer, but this whole thing comes across as criminal. It's certainly underhanded. I guess they will say the product has been certified for human use, so no big deal. It is a Prescription Only Medicine however.

until last week when we got a letter from our boy's school asking us enroll him in a 4 year Fluoride Varnish Programme where they want to apply fluoride varnish to his teeth twice a year.

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What a rush this information request would have given you, me too. Even though I know this is the way man is going, agreeing the state to care and educate our children instead of us, the one's the love and cherish our gifts God has give us is why these monsters are gaining more and more power over families. We have to be so hard firm on the opposing of common sense and truth to keep our honour and the truth on our side.

Common sense has left people’s minds thanks to the distractions of survival and meaningless pleasures. If the devices were switched of people could start to think again, mainly about having a life but also it could be less frequencies to mess with every form of life on/in our earth.

I have had to tell a school principal these words once to get my authorizing rights over the school. I won.
Tell them straight in the eye these words: “IF YOU TOUCH MY CHILD I will prosecute you to the full extent of the law under your full commercial liability. Assault, use of a deadly weapon WOULD BE JUST THE BEGINNING.
And there is what is called Lawful ALSO

I was a fluoride 'guinea pig' in the late 1960's.

The elementary school that I attended was provided with fluoride pills that every student was given each morning when we arrived at school.

Fluoride supplements (drops, tablets, and lozenges) were introduced in the 1950s as a substitute for fluoridated water for children living in unfluoridated communities. Unlike dietary supplements, fluoride supplements cannot be purchased over the counter, but require a prescription from a dentist or a doctor. Further, unlike most other prescription drugs, however, fluoride supplements have never been approved as safe and effective by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). Despite fifty years and countless prescriptions to millions of children, the FDA still considers fluoride supplements to be “unapproved new drugs.”

As discussed below, the waning enthusiasm for fluoride supplements by even the most ardent pro-fluoride organizations reflects the growing realization that (a) ingesting fluoride does little, if anything, to prevent tooth decay; (b) children in “unfluoridated” communities are now receiving fluoride from many other sources (toothpaste, etc), thus making “supplementation” unnecessary and harmful; and (c) children who use fluoride supplements are at very high risk of developing dental fluorosis of their permanent teeth.

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