watch this video

Originally posted by TrueLies

Originally posted by MrNice
I certainly can...sigh....

you know what... A plain "yes I can certainly" would be fine..

I don't need, nor care to know how you feel about this through sound effects.

Quel dommage,Not everybody is as smart as you..

Some people like to ask questions and get some answers...

LOL...It's definitely a Monday, isn't it TL? Not only that, but with elections tomorrow....stress is high!

There was a link somewhere on ATS that debunked the missle theory with pics of plane parts (and the like) at the Pentagon. I'll see if I can find it.

[edit on 11/1/04 by SupaFly]

For some reason I couldn't edit my original post to include this link without deleting what I had orginally typed...

Here's the link


www.abovetopsecret.com...



[edit on 11/1/04 by SupaFly]

while I don't believe the theories that 9/11 was gov't run or that remote controlled planes, explosives etc brought down the buildings, I will say that I found it odd that Usama referred to 9/11, NYC and Manhattan in the vid last week but he never mentioned the pentagon. I would think that, if he was responsible for the attacks, he'd want to lay claim to striking the big bad US at the center of its defense.

odd.

We already saw this Video it is a fake and a lie thats why the video goese very fast so you cannot focus....yeah right we are all fools ! I think Kerry made this with his Wife Terry the UN Queen .
They want to send troops to Africa...

Amuk is right, you have more than two options at this election, and Kerry will only continue in the same vein as Bush.

It worries me that the most powerful nation in the world can be manipulated with such ease and still, the majority remain blissfully ignorant to the fact.

Here is the reply I promised...

Hi,



Hogwash!





757 was not found because the plane shattered against the building. The kinetic energy would have shattered the plane into very very small pieces, which it did. Remember the 757 weighs a LOT and it was moving fast (just below the speed of sound) so the energy of impact would have been very high.



The winds exploded against the sides of the building, which is why the fire spread across the impact point is such a wide swath. Note: Missiles that would be able to penetrate 3 rings of the pentagon would not also be able to leave so much damage at the impact point (unless it was the SIZE of a 757). The missile would also explode at the exit point (it�s what a FAA or Bunker Buster weapon does) this didn�t happen; it was a small whole with a lot of twisted metal exiting out.



I can see plane wreckage at the exit point, it�s very mangled but it�s there. Notice the part of the pentagon was mostly ready for furniture but had none. The picture of the exit hole has nothing but empty building behind it. Looks like the front of the plane smashed through to the C ring�skidded across the empty office space and punched through the last wall.



As for the flying. Turning a 757 like a fighter jet is a very stupid maneuver, it can damage the plane but it CAN be done. This is exactly what a stupid, inept, pilot would attempt. It is actually very hard to stall or crash a modern commercial airliner. Their design is such that as long as it�s moving fast enough and it�s wings are working correctly it will fly. www.grc.nasa.gov... shows the physics behind this.



I could put you into the cockpit and you could probably turn and maneuver a 757 with no training..it�s as easy as driving a car. It�s the landing and takeoff and emergency stuff that�s difficult. The guy flying that plane was NOT interested in landing the 757.



Also, at 500+ MPH just off the ground it would be almost IMPOSSIBLE for the 757 that is flying level to touch the ground. It�s simple physics. The air under the 757 at that point would have felt as solid as concrete. Typical landing speed of this plane is 150MPH so it was traveling 4 x faster. I�m guessing the pilot didn�t think to configure the flaps into a �bleed energy� landing mode so the wings were generating a lot of lift. I think the eye-witnesses are simply wrong�the plane did not hit the grass.



The plane was NOT 20� off the ground when it crossed the highway. It was probably something like 100-200�. The wash effect from a 757 is in a narrow trail just after the plane and may not have come low enough to effect traffic.

Update: I've just returned from DC and I specifically drove over that very overpass. The buidling across from the Pentagon preclude any aircraft from getting low enough to blow cars around, I'm amazed they could hit the building at all.

All commercial planes are like an egg. Try to crush an egg vertically in your hand and it is amazing..it is very strong and almost impossible to break. Turn it sideways and it shatters into a gooey mess almost instantly. Planes have incredible strength under normal flight conditions..hit a reinforced concrete building and they turn into many tiny pieces very rapidly.



The smell of cordite? Well this IS the pentagon, not some commercial building. There was most likely some ordinance (at least some small arms-ammunition and grenades at the checkpoints) that exploded as well. Even firing a M-16 will make a strong smell similar to cordite.



There was no missile fired into the pentagon that morning. It was a plane.

Originally posted by MrNice
It was a plane.

Commuter plane like many witnesses said it was or a 747???

That is my question.

Originally posted by bigdanprice
perhaps if kerry gets iun the truth will come out.

Not likely, as much as you libbys would love to believe kerry will be any different on the war on terrorism, or any non-social policies your wrong. Democans and Republicrats

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Cash3w]

Truelies, I'm upset with you.

I though you of all people would have know how many times this video has been posted here. I think by my count this is probably about the 8th to 10th time.

For shame

Originally posted by Cash3w

Originally posted by bigdanprice
perhaps if kerry gets iun the truth will come out.

Not likely, as much as you libbys would love to believe kerry will be any different on the war on terrorism, or any non-social policies your wrong. Democans and Republicrats

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Cash3w]

Amen, they are all the same, dont you get it, its just the way they sell the crap to you that are different...

Originally posted by Cash3w

Originally posted by bigdanprice
perhaps if kerry gets iun the truth will come out.

Not likely, as much as you libbys would love to believe kerry will be any different on the war on terrorism, or any non-social policies your wrong. Democans and Republicrats

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Cash3w]

How many times do you people have to be told we are not voting for Kerry?

Can you not READ?

Have you been so freaking brainwashed that even being told several times in this thread we are talking about voting third parties?

Can you not even freaking comprehend that there MIGHT be someone else running

JESUS No wonder this country is so screwed up

Originally posted by Kollapse

Amen, they are all the same, dont you get it, its just the way they sell the crap to you that are different...

That is why we are informing people that there is a third (forth and fifth too) choice

Look here

www.lp.org...

[edit on 1-11-2004 by Amuk]