Iran new P5+1deal, give up your 20% Enriched Uranium

If Iran fails to do this, the only logical answer left is yes they are working on a bomb or bomb HUE, if they do accept the offer than all that thought Iran was making a bomb should offer up a apology and retract all their words, my self included,.
www.upi.com... from the link

Published: Feb. 21, 2013 at 3:00 AM

LONDON, Feb. 21 (UPI) -- Six world powers plan to make a "serious offer" to Iran during talks on resolving disputes about its nuclear energy program, a Western diplomat said.

The offer, to be made in Kazakhstan Tuesday, is expected to have what the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council and Germany -- known as the P5-plus-1 -- consider "significant new elements," the diplomat told reporters in London on condition of anonymity.

"We will take an offer with us which we believe to be a substantial and serious offer," the diplomat said, offering no details.

CNN cited Western officials as saying the delegates plan to offer eased sanctions currently preventing trade with Iran in gold and other precious metals, if Iran shuts down its underground Fordo uranium-enrichment plant south of Tehran, near the holy city of Qom.

The delegates would also say Iran must get rid of its stockpile of uranium enriched to 20 percent purity, the officials said.

Twenty-percent enrichment puts Iran a few technical steps away from weapons-grade uranium.

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If Iran fails to accept this, then the only logical path left is, to say Iran seeks the bomb, and nothing else.
mods if in wrong thread, then feel free to put it in the right one.

I’d say good for them and I personally hope that they stay put with whatever they are up to, disregard of whatever world’s “known” evil forces dictating.

Someday, someone has to stand up against all these maggots, let’s support Iran for change.

Iran aren't chasing a bomb whether they accept this or not. I don't think they will simply because they really couldn't give a toss about the threats from the West and Israel.

Is it so hard to understand.

Iran wants to, and is, developing a Nuclear Industry where the enrich Uranium for other countries' reactors. They also want Nuclear power generation for themselves. They have signed the NPT and seem to be abiding by it.

Lastly, Israel is their main threat and Israel in Nuclear Armed and should not be. This is so stuffed up in the MSM.

I am beginning to believe that Iran's best move forward is to just develop the thing anyway, announce they are a Nuclear Power and be done with it. Western Govts simply have no honor.

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They will if the West unleashes on them. I am not for WWIII but if countries like North Korea and Iran keep pushing the envelope it will happen and it is better for it to happen before they have nulcear capabilities. They are both rogue nations with nothing but ill intentions in mind. And as many others on here have stated before they will be back to the stone age when all is said and done.

Originally posted by undertheraydar
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

They will if the West unleashes on them. I am not for WWIII but if countries like North Korea and Iran keep pushing the envelope it will happen and it is better for it to happen before they have nulcear capabilities. They are both rogue nations with nothing but ill intentions in mind. And as many others on here have stated before they will be back to the stone age when all is said and done.

Define rouge nation please…

How many times you have heard Iran attacking, occupying, bombing, and destroying cities with mobilized army, killing civilians creating widows, orphans, and refugees, disabled in past 300 years..?

Dare to say that same thing “rouge nations” about the “well known” colonial powers of past and present that love to dictate and force their will as “usual” upon a free and sovereign nation..?

No sir, I can tolerate (ignorance), hypocrites however I can’t and I am sure most Iranians thinking that way as well.

I certainly do hope that they don’t accept any offers in any form, the whole concept oozes of bigotry, falsehood and at the end another form of slavery from the colonial powers.

5+1..? make it 5+10 see if anyone gives a rat arse for it.

Iran would be wise to make that deal.

But they are already capable of uranium enrichment far beyond 20%, so this would be purely symbolic... IMO

Originally posted by undertheraydar
reply to post by DarknStormy

 

They will if the West unleashes on them. I am not for WWIII but if countries like North Korea and Iran keep pushing the envelope it will happen and it is better for it to happen before they have nulcear capabilities. They are both rogue nations with nothing but ill intentions in mind. And as many others on here have stated before they will be back to the stone age when all is said and done.

Iran have been around for 7000 years and to call them a rogue nation is laughable. If anything, the nuclear powers who are dictating to Iran are the rogue nations. They actually believe they have the right to tell others what to do even though they have already acquired/used atomic weapons. Now when we are talking about the region, Israel are the rogue nation. They have roughly 300 undeclared nuclear weapons and will not be told how to act by anyone. They are the biggest threat in the Middle East today and if you think Iran will not shower Israel in Missiles before they are destroyed themselves then you are nothing more than stupid.

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This is what I see happening. If Iran accept the offer it won't change a god damn thing. Israel will still threaten them and it will eventually lead to a war regardless. Sometimes I think whether Iran have nukes or not they should just come out and say they have one.. Not because they are a threat to the world, because it would certainly make Israel and the West think twice about taking any action against them. Once they are recognised as a nuclear state, good luck ever attacking them without the prospect of nuclear war.

Originally posted by DarknStormy

Sometimes I think whether Iran have nukes or not they should just come out and say they have one.. Not because they are a threat to the world, because it would certainly make Israel and the West think twice about taking any action against them.

If Iran came out and admitted they have a nuke (they likely already do) it would give Israel the justification they've been seeking to attack Iran.

Think twice?

No, that would leave Israel NO reason to hesitate. In fact, it would make Israeli strikes happen, almost immediately.

I understand your thinking here, but you really need to think a bit deeper.

US is using Uranium as an insult - and genocide - upon the mideast

The irony is its dropping uranium all over the region, and so asking the next country US will bomb with depleted and uranium, for some more, is among the ultimate dispicable insults.

But hey, that's America for ya.

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I assure you that Israel won’t do a damn thing (it’s not allowed to); it is just behaving like a mad dog barking and showing the teeth behind the fence and that’s all. Their nuclear weapons are antics of the cold war to confront the Soviet incase of European defenses fails,The whole Israel is an American &co. military base actually and Russian knows that too.

Nuclear Iran (generally with or without bomb) is unwanted because they show (staunch independencies and resistance toward ex-colonial powers), once they’re succeeded there will be followers and that’s scares them (colonial powers) most.

NO MORE EXPLOITAITIONS. NO MORE BLACKMAILS

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You for got to say by by Israel, Iran is not stupid it is wanting waiting for Israel /US to make the first move, Israel will at some point in time take the bate, US has it hands on the Israel leash , but the hold is slipping.

If Iran does not accept he plan then by late spring early summer, Israel will make its first move, Israel unlike others do not make idle threats, they do what they say they will do.

Iran has two paths to take, one is peace and live let live, the other is war, whether it is Iran or Israel is beside the point, war is war and no matter who will cause it, the US, again will be in on it, as well as NATO and others.

We are on a path that is now pointing to WW3, and Nukes are in the breach, DPRK is part of it as well, Iran and DPRK are in HEU programs,

Iran has no way of test a nuke, not with out sending up red flags, and not with out Israel attacking.

One thing i have learned is... have proof of what you say er post , here is my proof of the stronger ties between DPRK and Iran www.china.org.cn...

The relations between Iran and the DPRK have been enhanced in the past years and the DPRK emphasizes the expansion of all-out ties with the Islamic republic, said the DPRK leader.

On Saturday, IRNA reported that Iran and the DPRK signed a document on expansion of mutual cooperation in scientific, academic and technological know-how.

The document covers various issues such as conducting research studies, exchanging university students and researchers, setting up joint laboratories, sabbatical studies, exchanging technology of information, energy, environment, sustainable development, agriculture and food stuff, said IRNA.

The document was signed between Iran's Science and Technology Minister, Kamran Daneshjoo and the DPRK Foreign Minister Pak Ui Chun in the presence of Ahmadinejad and Kim.

Kim attended the NAM summit held on Aug. 30-31 in Tehran and presented a speech.

In his remarks on Thursday, the DPRK leader criticized the recent joint military exercise of the United States and South Korea in the Korean Peninsula, saying the exercise pushes the Korean Peninsula to the brink of war.

if it looks like a duck quakes like a duck , walks like a duck then it has to be a duck. and this is looking like a Un duck to me.

They will not accept anything.

No matter what we offer or concede.


For anyone who does not understand this, you don't understand the Iranian leaderships religious mentality when it comes to Armageddon.


Khamenei has been heard to say that the coming of the last Islamic Messiah, the Shiites’ 12th Imam Mahdi, is near and that specific actions need to be taken to protect the Islamic regime for upcoming events.

Mahdi, according to Shiite belief, will reappear at the time of Armageddon.

Nuts, hate filled zealots, who will take the world down if they are allowed to. Pound them now. Hard.

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Found this doing some research does not look promising www.payvand.com... form the link

West Trying to Kill Two Birds with One Stone in Tehran Talks

Source: Iranian Diplomacy (IRD) - translated by Iran Review

here is the Q and A

Iran and IAEA Go Separate Ways as Agreement Seems Close: Interview with Hassan Beheshtipour from the linkA: Basically, the word “failure” is not fit to describe the outcome of Iran's talks with the IAEA. Negotiations need time. It is true that eight rounds of talks have been already held, but only three last meetings were serious and discussions were held within a well-defined framework. Therefore, there is still hope that an agreement may be reached in the forthcoming meetings. Of course, it is also possible that the other party [the IAEA] may have appeared obstinate because they did not want Iran to go to the negotiations with the P5+1 in [Kazakh city of] Almaty with its hands full. If Iran had reached an agreement with the IAEA, its hands would have been full when it entered into negotiations with the P5+1 group on February 26, 2013. If Iran reaches an agreement with the P5+1, it would be more probable to forge a deal with the IAEA as well. The Reuters news agency recently reported that the Western side is planning to propose in the next round of talks with Iran that if Tehran agreed to close down its nuclear site in Fordow, they would lift sanctions on the delivery of precious metals to Iran. If this report were true, it would be very disappointing indeed.

Q: You mean imposing sanctions on trading precious metals with Iran will in no way change the Islamic Republic’s situation?

A: The Western side had already come up with three demands. However, those three demands have been currently reduced to one which is shutdown of Iran's nuclear activities at Fordow nuclear site. Since Iran is currently enriching uranium to 20-percent level at Fordow, when they talk about closing down Fordow, they actually mean to achieve their primary goal, which is suspension of 20-percent enrichment in the country. This would happen [in case Fordow is closed down] unless part of Natanz nuclear facility is once more dedicated to enriching uranium to 20-percent level. Secondly, the issue of swapping Iran's enriched uranium in order to convert it into nuclear fuel plates is actually out of the question now. Therefore, there is no legal ground for closing down Fordow and this is asking too much from Iran. Fordow works under the supervision of the IAEA and the Agency has eyes in that facility day and night. As a result, [I must reiterate that] there is no legal reason for Iran to close down Fordow facility. However, to prove its goodwill, Iran can only conduct 5-percent enrichment in that facility.

What the Western countries promise Iran in return for closing down of Fordow is not remarkable. The sanctions which they promise to lift [if Fordow is closed] are, in fact, the same sanctions which entered into force on February 4, 2013. What kind of logic is this? They do not respect the principle of proportionality between points which are given and taken by the two sides. Such positions prove that they do not want negotiations to reach a solid result.

Q: One of the issues discussed before the IAEA inspectors flew to Iran was the installation of new centrifuges at Natanz facility. How different is the efficiency of the new centrifuges from their predecessors and why they have aroused sensitivity of the European countries?

A: When Iran observes that they are bent on pursuing the past policy of pressure and negotiations, it reaches the conclusion that it would be more expedient if it revealed its progresses. The Western countries keep escalating the level and scope of sanctions against Iran. Then, when it comes to negotiations, they take the same sanctions as basis for political bargaining and use them as leverage to put pressure on Iran. The Islamic Republic, in return, has no choice, but to boost its bargaining power in a different way by increasing the number of centrifuges it is operating or elevating the quality of their operations.

The efficiency of the third-generation centrifuges is two to three times that of the first- and second-generation centrifuges. By doing so, Iran is actually increasing the speed of uranium enrichment on its soil. This will, in turn, boost the country’s bargaining power. This policy is pursued by Tehran in the face of the policy that they [Western negotiators] have adopted. If they want a real change in the situation, they have to change their policy and should also remember that Iran's measures are by no means against the rules of international law.

If you just glanced over the above, then here is the real juice of the article

Since Iran is currently enriching uranium to 20-percent level at Fordow, when they talk about closing down Fordow, they actually mean to achieve their primary goal, which is suspension of 20-percent enrichment in the country. This would happen [in case Fordow is closed down] unless part of Natanz nuclear facility is once more dedicated to enriching uranium to 20-percent level. Secondly, the issue of swapping Iran's enriched uranium in order to convert it into nuclear fuel plates is actually out of the question now. Therefore, there is no legal ground for closing down Fordow and this is asking too much from Iran. Fordow works under the supervision of the IAEA and the Agency has eyes in that facility day and night. As a result, [I must reiterate that] there is no legal reason for Iran to close down Fordow facility. However, to prove its goodwill, Iran can only conduct 5-percent enrichment in that facility.

do you get that? the plant is producing 20% but in good faith it is only producing 5% here is what he said about 20%

they actually mean to achieve their primary goal, which is suspension of 20-percent enrichment in the country. This would happen [in case Fordow is closed down] unless part of Natanz nuclear facility is once more dedicated to enriching uranium to 20-percent level. Secondly, the issue of swapping Iran's enriched uranium in order to convert it into nuclear fuel plates is actually out of the question now. Therefore, there is no legal ground for closing down Fordow and this is asking too much from Iran.

the he goes on to say 5%

Fordow works under the supervision of the IAEA and the Agency has eyes in that facility day and night. As a result, [I must reiterate that] there is no legal reason for Iran to close down Fordow facility. However, to prove its goodwill, Iran can only conduct 5-percent enrichment in that facility.

can not have it both ways it is either producing 20% which would cause them problems or it is producing 5% in that case, why all the fuss of trying to close it down. got to love how they stumble over their own words. remove boot, add salt in cert foot in mouth.

here is the IAEA link to see if they do have 24/7 workers there
www.iaea.org... from the link

Documents

IAEA Reports
IAEA Resolutions
Security Council Resolutions and Statements
Member States Communications


Background Facts and Figures

Iran Safeguards Agreement
IAEA Factsheet: Iran
Iran Safeguarded Facilities
Iran Nuclear Power Profile


Additional Documentation

Treaty on Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT)
IAEA Safeguards, Factsheet
Safeguards Additional Protocols, Status
IAEA Safeguards Agreements and Additional Protocols, Factsheet
Verifying Compliance with Nuclear Non-Proliferation Undertakings, 2008
IAEA Technical Cooperation

back soon to post what is fact from hearsay

here are some links to look at, did find the Fact there are no IAEA inspectors on site news.yahoo.com...

Inspectors Find Major Iran Nuclear Move Ahead of Talks
By Dashiell Bennett | The Atlantic Wire – 14 hrs ago

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A week after being sent home from Tehran empty-handed, U.N. nuclear inspectors have revealed that Iran has being installing new centrifuges at their main nuclear plant, a clear act of defiance ahead of an upcoming round of talks. The Internal Atomic Energy Agency's lead investigators went to Iran last week to try gain access to the country's largest nuclear facility, but were rebuffed at every turn. IAEA head Herman Nackaerts complained about the lack of cooperation from Iran's nuclear agency, specifically their refusal to let inspections see the Parchin military facility. His report on this latest visit reveals it's actually the Natanz plant that is being upgrade with 180 new centrifuge machines, which would greatly increase Iran's ability to enrich uranium to a point where it can be weaponized.

RELATED: Iran Actually Agrees to More Nuclear Talks

The new report actually comes just a few days before new six-party talks are set to begin, with Russia, China, and the United States all participating in the negotiations with Iranian officials. Expanding your uranium enrichment capability right before they arrives will help matters much, but at least now they'll have something to talk about.

then Iran has all the fixings for a nuke weapon www.telegraph.co.uk... from the link

Iran has 'all the ingredients necessary' to make a nuclear weapon
Iran has "all the ingredients necessary" to make a nuclear weapon but is holding off production to stave off military action, Israeli security advisers said on Monday.

So it seems the 5+1 talks are a waist of time Iran is set on the Nuke

found this no blast at fordow www.businessinsider.com... from the link

(Update 01/30) The International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN agency tasked with inspecting and reporting on Iran's nuclear programs, issued a statement today that it also has no indication of an explosion at Fordo.

After all the Monday speculation The Jerusalem Post reports today that the IAEA "suggested" it had been to Fordow since the most recent reports of an explosion and that all was quiet.

From The Jerusalem Post:

IAEA inspectors regularly visit Iranian nuclear sites, including the one at Fordow, and the UN agency suggested in its comment that they had been at the site after the reports in some Israeli and Western media of an explosion there.

"We understand that Iran has denied that there has been an incident at Fordow. This is consistent with our observations," IAEA spokeswoman Gill Tudor said.

The Post goes on to say that the remarks are unusual from the IAEA, which has yet to post the comment to their site. The Associated Press says Tudor made the remark to them January 29 and that his information comes from inspectors at Fordow.

From the AP:

International Atomic Energy Agency spokeswoman Gill Tudor told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Iran’s denial of “an incident” at the Fordo uranium enrichment plant is “consistent with our observations ...

A diplomat familiar with the issue told AP that the IAEA’s information came directly from IAEA inspectors at Fordo. He demanded anonymity because he was not authorized to comment.

That would appear to put the debate to rest.

so there you have it no 24/7 on site inspectors but they do go there from time to time

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There is no «path» to pick up mate.

Let’s see how this game going to be played by the “creator of the chess”.

A sign of successful negotiations is the no one gets everything they wanted—concessions have to be made by both sides. If the P5+1 leaders really are as worried about Iran’s nuclear program as they claim to be, then they need to show it by making serious concessions. If they don't want to give up a few sanctions to obtain Iranian cooperation on this important issue, the inexorable conclusion is that they are not truly concerned about Iran stockpiling more 20 percent uranium, and that the sanctions are probably in place in some vain hope of regime change via collective punishment.

Iranian election is not far away but plan not to cheering it as (Dr. Ahmadinejad left the building and false sigh of relief as follow), history teach us one most important thing to look after, most countries where the middle class is suffering under foreign-imposed hardships, the tendency is to elect more nationalistic and hawkish leaders. like Germany, Russia, Argentina etc… Given that presidential candidates are officially vetted by the Guardian Council, it is possible that the next president may be even more hawkish than Dr. Ahmadinejad.

That means no negotiations anyway and there will be no war (in sense of conventional or nuclear militarily engagement), far from it.

And like I said above, forget about this old (mad, foam mouthed stupid lapdog zionazi israel),they are already in verge of dismantling their filthy presence by themselves (give or take 6 years from now). War machine needs constant funding, US is broke, Europe is Broke, China doesn’t care and they have Russian right after their butt…. Who are they going to blackmailing this time for their nefarious way of life..?


Btw, nice topic for a change.. S&F.

Originally posted by lnfideI
They will not accept anything.

No matter what we offer or concede.


For anyone who does not understand this, you don't understand the Iranian leaderships religious mentality when it comes to Armageddon.


Khamenei has been heard to say that the coming of the last Islamic Messiah, the Shiites’ 12th Imam Mahdi, is near and that specific actions need to be taken to protect the Islamic regime for upcoming events.

Mahdi, according to Shiite belief, will reappear at the time of Armageddon.

Nuts, hate filled zealots, who will take the world down if they are allowed to. Pound them now. Hard.

www.wnd.com...

Offers must be of (serious nature) ad not attempting to (fooling) around like last time.
You are not talking with the kids that can be fooled with couple of candy bars and idealistic empty developments and promises.