Dinosaurs Have Skyscrapers and Cellphones? Maybe.

Originally posted by Kody27
reply to post by WormwoodSquirm

 

There are no stupid questions. Just stupid people. Why haven't all monkeys evolved into humans? Why haven't other animals evolved like humans? Why don't birds have SCUBA tanks?

Seriously though, humans are different animals and one of the only explanations that makes sense to me as to why other primates or animals haven't evolved like humans is that humans had an evolutionary head start, whether it was due to direct panspermia, or extra-terrestrial genetic engineering, or simply by accident, humans have a higher consciousness that allows us to think about thinking, dinosaurs didn't. Does that answer your dumb question?

It is not a dumb question, it was a statement put out here to debate why humans are so special. Cheers

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


Your close to your target, I would have to say.

Humans are not young, they are old, say a billion years old, we just keep lose history. No proof? Shoe print of a sandal with inter-stitched footing squashing a trilobite. Even professional tailors and shoemakers have trouble doing that.

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


Very true wormwood.

I think your date estimates are off though, I think your premise is entirely plausible further back in time than dinosaurs even as far back a 4billion years. I also believe it's possible, nay likely in the more recent past say up to around 10 million years that there were very advanced human civilisations.

Of course there's always the possibility that certain dinosaurs or similar such lifeforms had to abandon the surface and took their evidence down below with them.

edit to add: it should be noted that we assume ancient pre human civilisations must have had the same motivations as us. That is such an anthropomorphic view. They could have been so intelligent, advanced and enlightened that they never built cities or even that they may have dismantled all the evidence and scars they'd made upon the Earth in favour of other nature.

Originally posted by Robonakka
reply to post by WormwoodSquirm

 

I believe the evidence shows that some humans came here from somewhere else. I believe blue eyes is not a trait natural to Earth. Everyone and everything with blue eyes had an ancestor come here on a space ship. Humans once upon a time built robots. Those robots rebelled. We ran from them and God ushered us onto a planet he had created just for us. This planet is so conducive to human life that some humans had naturally arisen here.

The refugees came here with little more than camping equipment and knowledge. The knowledge they used for building the great monuments of the past and in teaching civilization to the humans who were nothing but hunter gatherers.

What we call ufos are the descendents of the robots who chased us here. They check on us and keep us from creating more robots or anything that could be a threat to them. That is why they are so interested in our nuclear bombs. Out of place artifacts are merely the remains of the camping equipment they brought and family heirlooms or tools used way past their intended usefulness.

It all makes sense when looked at that way. Doesn't it?

Haha, Battlestar Galactica, gotta love that series man!

Yes I realize Dinosaur brains were tiny but hey I studied a few years of neuroscience and I can tell you that there is a little tiny Pineal gland in our head that is the basis for consciousness / soul whatever you want to call it. It has rod and cones just like your eyeballs and it is no bigger than a peanut. Maybe the Dinosaurs didn't need a huge brain to be advanced. On top of that maybe all this extra brain matter we carry interferes with its operations. Just on the spot contemplation here.

I would much rather be advanced in the travel of astral planes than have the ability to use a cellphone. If you get my point.

It's very possible dinosaurs were quite intelligent. Although, there are ancient creatures still alive today, such as crocodiles and alligators. Their said to be about 200-250 million years old. So you have to wonder why hasn't their mental function isn't "superior" compared to other animals.

And humans are said to be, what, a million years old maybe if you count our earlier stages of development. It is truly amazing how we could develop such brain functions so soon. And very fast in the evolution process. Perhaps we had the right batch of DNA. Maybe aliens came here and modified our DNA in order to develop a smarter race. The answer is hard to say, and we humans basically have amnesia and have no idea where we came from. Hell, we can't even explain 10,000 year old building structures we made in our past.

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


You're spot on there mate. We are materialistic, previous civilisations may not have been.

Also brain size does not gaurantee intelligence it's the structure of the brain that counts. Certain species of birds are amongst the most intelligent animals on Earth yet their brains are tiny.

reply to post by Lingweenie


I believe evolution is basically a lazy mechanism. The reason crocodiles haven't evolved further is because they didn't need to. Only when there is survival pressure does evolution become a juggernaut for change.

I also believe that the speed of our mental evolution is an indication of outside interference or uplifting.

I'm not reading through the whole thread so I apologize if someone said this already but : Brains? Neurons? I know in some cases bigger brains don't mean more intelligence but in the case of the dinosaurs it did.

Dinosaurs were smart, but not that smart.

Who's to say that 10,000 years ago crocodiles didn't build a spaceship and fly to Mars?

Meanwhile, in millions of years time, our existence on Earth will be shown by the layer of microscopic plastic particles found in sedimentary deposits around the world.

Originally posted by merkins
reply to post by Lingweenie

 

I believe evolution is basically a lazy mechanism. The reason crocodiles haven't evolved further is because they didn't need to. Only when there is survival pressure does evolution become a juggernaut for change.

I also believe that the speed of our mental evolution is an indication of outside interference or uplifting.

Yes species only really need to evolve whenever they need to adapt. Humans may have advanced much quicker because we aren't very...strong... I guess you could say.

What I mean by this, is that if a human were to battle against, say a tiger, the human will get slaughtered Because the tigers is bigger, they have long sharp claws, and have powerful, sharp teeth. So what I'm getting at, is one reason humans may have became smarter, is because we had to in order to survive. We couldn't compete with predators in the wild, unless we had tools to help us, such as a gun, or spear.

But even this reality is hard to say. A million or so years is VERY fast in development. And if we couldn't do it on our own, then it is possible something helped us get to where he are today. Some may say god, some may say aliens, or even sheer luck.

reply to post by WormwoodSquirm


An alternative hypothesis to account for our complexity and evolution is to be found in a model of time with a spiral structure.



This is known as "novelty theory" as espoused by Terence McKenna. The idea is that after the Big Bang, life was as simple as it could possibly be, and time moved extremely slow. It was only as the universe cooled, that life started to develop and evolve, and as it did so, more interconnections were made between simple life - and therefore life slowly became more complex. Each advancement into more complicated life preceded more quickly than the previous epoch, setting forth the concept of an acceleration of complexity - punctuated, of course, by set backs and tragedies. An ebb and flow between maintaining what has already been established, habit, and going forward into uncharted territory of new and more complex forms; novelty. Hence the spiral. It is similar to the idea of Singularity as talked about by transhumanists. Dinosaurs didn't have cell phones, because they were a vastly more simple life-form, despite their size and length of time to evolve - they did not have the complex neural pathways and brain size necessary to develop such things.

honestly I find it hard to believe you studied neuroscience

study within evolutionary biology that detail the brain and body throughout its evolutionary process exist, gaps are there but nothing that would support ancient aliens or genetic engineering

Wait a second here? Yes, we have bigger brains but isn't it true that we can only harness about 10% of our brains? So, what I am getting at is this, yes dinosaurs might have had smaller brains but what if they were able to harness 100% of their brain power? I for one hate following history just because, like it has been stated in this thread, we weren't there so how would we know? For all we know our governments could just make up this boring past as to avoid any inquiring minds. Why is it that a majority of our history is he said she said and not based on actual facts? Because we go back alot further then we are led to believe. In my personal opinion I don't think it would be that far fetched to say that our past is "faked" persay. Just to keep us all in line and not having anyone thinking outside the box. Free energy? No taxes? Everyone living in complete harmony with each other? Now there is no financial gain to that. As for cellphones and skyscrapers I think that is a little far fetched but I think you make a valid argument as far as us not knowing what our past was actually capable of.

Changes on a cosmic scale are massive, imagine 1 degree of change exceeds our existence by billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions and billions of years

reply to post by Criticalthinker99


thats not true, but is repeated so often that it never goes away

Originally posted by corsair00
reply to post by WormwoodSquirm

 

An alternative hypothesis to account for our complexity and evolution is to be found in a model of time with a spiral structure.

This is known as "novelty theory" as espoused by Terence McKenna. The idea is that after the Big Bang, life was as simple as it could possibly be, and time moved extremely slow. It was only as the universe cooled, that life started to develop and evolve, and as it did so, more interconnections were made between simple life - and therefore life slowly became more complex. Each advancement into more complicated life preceded more quickly than the previous epoch, setting forth the concept of an acceleration of complexity - punctuated, of course, by set backs and tragedies. An ebb and flow between maintaining what has already been established, habit, and going forward into uncharted territory of new and more complex forms; novelty. Hence the spiral. It is similar to the idea of Singularity as talked about by transhumanists. Dinosaurs didn't have cell phones, because they were a vastly more simple life-form, despite their size and length of time to evolve - they did not have the complex neural pathways and brain size necessary to develop such things.

Nice! Thank you , I like this.

Originally posted by kobalt7
honestly I find it hard to believe you studied neuroscience

2 years worth at one of the best Universities in Canada. Just got sick of studying and my original plan to study it for 8-10 years and become a Brain Surgeon went out the window as the Internet developed. I jumped into an American University to study New Media instead. Now I'm a webmaster.

reply to post by XLR8R

They already did build monuments bigger than Mount Rushmore. But they say they were built at a max of 12 000 years ago. Which in itself is hard to swallow. Think about this. If 12 000 years ago man invented the wheel and had just exited the last ice age, how would they have been able to to build such temples as Puma Punku with out the wheel? Look at all this craftsmanship not to mention the size of those blocks. There are so many places on Earth that suggest we were so much more advanced than we suspected but since it doesn't conform to the established decorum they fabricate or totally dismiss the facts all together.

Not sure what this has to do with dinosaurs being able to build things, but you are referring to a site less than 500 years old.

The claim that somehow knowledgeable people were not knowledgeable is a bit odd.

There are those that make up stories about ancient peoples not being smart and there are those that make up stories that ancient people must have had advanced technologies which are not to be found.

Then are the knowledgeable people aware of ancient man's intelligence and the their abilities using the technologies available to them.