The Photo Drama of Creation

I have noticed the tendency on these boards -and elsewhere- to see two camps, the evolutionists and Creationists, duke it out.

Evolutionists, well at least the ones I come across, so I will will say most of them, but won't include all, because I don't know every one of them. tend to think that everyone who believes in the Bible must be a Creationist.

Creationism is actually a belief by radical fundamentalists, which is really only a minority. They adhere to the teaching that everything in the Bible must be taken literally. Thus the earth and all the universe had to have been created some six thousand years ago in six literal twenty-four hour days.

This does a big disservice to sincere people looking for truth. Because there are not only two camps. There are millions of Christians that believe the earth was created billions of years ago, and that the Bible's teaching harmonize with scientific fact. That the days in Genesis one are not literal.

The argument for Creation and for Genesis one not being litereal 24-hour periods goes back a long time. This is not some recent development.

Actually the very first motion picture with sound and color entitled: "The Photo Drama of Creation," published in 1914, talks about it. This motion picture was historic in the fact that no other prior to it had color and sound and motion all mixed together. Actually, it wasn't for years before commercial entities began to use the technology the Watchtower Society utilized to spread the kingdom message to millions of people. It is eight hours long.

Here is the introduction to it here:



I was debating as to whether put this in the religious section or the Origins and Creationism section. But decided on landing it here. The entire eight hours I found someone had uploaded to youtube here is the link for anyone interested in seeing a piece of history, and learning at the same time:

www.youtube.com...

Looks like Rothschild's manufactured mind-control to me.

100% funded by the Illuminati.

Rothschilds funded the Jehovah's Witness'

The Rothschilds had long had a plan to create a religion of their own for the Illuminati in Palestine... One, Charles Taze Russell, of the Illuminati Russell bloodline (the Russell's were one of the creators of the Illuminati's second chapter, Skull&Bones at Yale University) was the man who founded the Watchtower Society, also known as the Jehovah's Witnesses.

He was a Satanist, a pedophile according to his wife, a friend of Rothschilds, and most certainly Illuminati. Historian, David Icke states, "...it was the Rothschilds who funded the Jehovah's Witness operation into being, along with other Illuminati bankers (ie, Kuhn, Loeb, and Co.), through "contributions" by organizations like the Rothschild-controlled B'nai B'rith. This was proved in a court of law in 1922.

One of the key people involved in this was Frank Goldman who later became President of B'nai B'rith. Why would an organization set up (in theory) to help Jewish people and promote the Jewish faith, be funding into existence the Jehovah's Witnesses?? I think the name Rothschild answers the question. Russell was also a high degree Freemason and Knights Templar. He promoted Zionism, another Rothschild creation, on behalf of his friends and backers."

Rothschilds, Rockefeller & the Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons

reply to post by Murgatroid


This is from your quote.

Historian, David Icke states

Historian!

Thanks for the good laugh.

To the OP, I've never seen the actual movie, I've seen the photo drama of creation book. It's pretty cool, I like the art in it.

Originally posted by lucidclouds
It's pretty cool, I like the art in it.

So I guess that settles it then...

Cults are OK as long as they have some nice artwork to look at.

FYI to all you aspiring cult leaders out there: be sure to hire a good artist.

I realize it would take a long time to watch, but if anyone wants to comment on it....

As far as trying to derail the subject, can you perhaps show examples of your supposed illuminati theory from the Photodrama of creation.

Also, if your assertion has any merit please show us your proof from the jw.org website found in my signature.

False accusations and links to dubious sources don't count. The jw.org site should have enough information you can use to prove your point.

If you can't with the eight hour Photodrama, and our vast online library in over 430 languages I'll assume you're a troll and ignore accordingly.

Fyi, in the last 10 years we've published over 20 billion Bible-based publications. They're almost all at jw.org.

You should have no problem useing one of them, if you're right.

reply to post by SubAce


Religious folk that accept evolution are still what you'd call 'evolutionists', and the only opposition (for the most part) they'd come across in regards to that would be from creationists.....

So ya in the situation you're describing there are really only two camps...

Originally posted by Prezbo369
reply to post by SubAce

 

Religious folk that accept evolution are still what you'd call 'evolutionists', and the only opposition (for the most part) they'd come across in regards to that would be from creationists.....

So ya in the situation you're describing there are really only two camps...

Agreed. But you don't see any of that in the Photodrama of creation, or any of the publications that jw's print. So you're really leaving me baffled as to why you would infer something like this. You make valid points, don't get me wrong, if you believe in evolution, then you believe in evolution. That's not up for debate. If you are saying you think that's what the Photodrama of Creation was teaching, then I think you need to go back and watch it. I would like to discuss it, but you have to have the integrity to do a little of your own research.

reply to post by Murgatroid


Murgatroid, just because you bank at a Rothschild bank doesn't mean you are Illuminati. I also challenge you to find one single writing that Russell wrote that confirms your ridiculous allegation that he was a Satanist. That is ludicrous. He was one of the most published religious figures of the early 20th century and never had a hint of satanism in his teachings.

reply to post by SubAce


While I understand the point of view, I do have to disagree to an extent.

First off in general public opinion you have the appearance of two camps with opposing viewpoints and the average person is forced to take a "for or against" stand; however, that is not really the case.

In general, there is very strong evidence for evolution. The vast majority of the scientific community will back the theory until such time as evidence comes along to refute it. It's observation, testing, sampling, data comparisons, experimentation. As of right now, the evidence continues to support evolution even as our understanding and technological aptitude improves. Science has no weight for theology or philosophy.

Where the heart of the evolution vs creationism debate stems is simple: power and control. It is a debate that has taken multiple forms throughout history. The spanish inquisition in the 14 and 1500's was about maintaining Papal control, the church put innocent people to death because it feared independant thought. Gallileo was imprisoned in his home for supporting the Copernican solar system and depending on your point of view, he was lucky he had powerful enough of friends in Rome and Florence, providing him with house arrest as opposed to being tortured and burnt at the stake. it would take until Pope John Paul II before Gallileo was given the true recognition he deserved by the Roman Catholic Church.

Now we move specifically to the debate on evolution. You are correct in the belief the majority of those pushing the creationism agenda are made up of fundamentalist. The current day rhetoric comes out from the right wing religous fundamental groups and is in many was a counter to the left wing atheism challenges to the use of any religious symbolism, It is designed in the form of a power struggle using school curriculum as a conduit to keep Christianity as the driving force in the american cultural identity. This is where the trials in states such as Kansas over the last decade have come to prominence.

The reaction from the scientific community has been strongly negative. The reasoning is simple. Mainstream creationism is a perversion of the integrity of science. It doesn't seek the truth, it provides justification for what they want the truth to be and has become a pawn to force the debate on the role of christianity play on american identity. That is the true conspiracy behind the creationism vs evolution.

reply to post by SubAce


To address the video itself, we need to keep it in historical context. Darwin published his origin of species in the mid to late 1850's. He began working on his essays about a decade earlier. Even at that time there was fear of being ostracized for his work. This video was only made roughly 75 years later. 100 years has eclipsed since even then and I doubt many would argue that our advancement in science has improved exponentially in that time. It provides some historical context but thats about it.

reply to post by Shademan4

He was one of the most published religious figures of the early 20th century...

The key word there is: "religious".

Religion ALWAYS lies.

If you want to spend your life believing in lies, knock yourself out.

I choose to believe the truth.

This world does NOT need any more religions, it needs TRUTH.

“One of the strangest things for this author was to continue running into evidence that seems to indicate Charles Taze Russell, the man who started the Jehovah’s Witnesses Watchtower Society, was secretly an important Satanist. Lest the reader devalue the evidence, permit this author to state that the evidence came in first before I came up with my theory that Russell was an important Satanist, and not vice-versa.

Some of the outstanding clues are:

a) C T Russell was definitely a Mason, yet he puts up some great smokescreens in his writing concerning his membership.

b) C T Russell’s Bethel staff became concerned about his occult activities and required him to take an oath forswearing any further occult activities.

c) In my previous book The Watchtower and the Masons, I study 35 parallel beliefs that Russell had with Masonry. I spent a page per parallel. These 35 are not in any way inclusive; Russell had many other identical ideas to what the Masonic lodges propagate.

d) Various items from magic were part of Russell’s religious beliefs including healing handkerchiefs, phrenology, the Winged-Sun-Disk, Enochian Magical Planes etc.

e) Russell family’s possible Illuminati links, and his wife’s possible connections with a family line of Satanists.

f) Russells apparent secret Rosicrucian membership with the Quakertown, PA group of Rosicrucians, as revealed by the pyramid he ordered erected, his use of the Winged-Sun-Disk, and his cremation three days after his death.

g) Russell owned a cemetery in Pittsburgh. Leading Satanists try to own cemeteries for several reasons. First, it facilitates the disposal of human sacrifices which are buried in pieces below the fresh holes dug for someone else’s burial. When the casket is placed in the hole, it would be rare for anyone to dig below the casket level ever again. Second, magic power is associated with cemeteries. The spiritual power of the dead is pulled up by making a circle of light over them then within the circle a naked Satanist lays. Third, specific bones are sought such as the skulls and left hands. Left hands are preserved in order to hold candles for certain ceremonies.

h) Contacts from various places today indicate that the modern Watchtower Society is working with the New World Order. This implies that at some point the Society began cooperating with the New World Order. Russell seems to be the likeliest starting point.

A BIZZARE DISCOVERY

The Russell Bloodline

Be Wise as Serpents - Fritz Springmeier

reply to post by Murgatroid


You sir, are completely off topic, as the topic is "The Photo Drama of Creation" not "why I don't like religion"

Now on topic, I am so glad this has been posted, I've heard about this movie for a long time. The first full length film with color and sound...
I look forward to veiwing it when I have the time.
Thanks SubAce

Originally posted by Xcouncil=wisdom
You sir, are completely off topic, as the topic is "The Photo Drama of Creation" not "why I don't like religion"

Don't recall saying a thing about "why I don't like religion".

Thanks for reminding us once again that religion ALWAYS lies.

BTW I will NOT be viewing "The Photo Drama of Creation" when I have the time.

Like I said ABOVE, it is nothing but 100% Rothschild's manufactured mind-control.

Some of us prefer NOT to have our brains washed, thank you very much...

Originally posted by SubAce
There are millions of Christians that believe the earth was created billions of years ago, and that the Bible's teaching harmonize with scientific fact. That the days in Genesis one are not literal.

edit on 13-2-2013 by SubAce because: (no reason given)

Perfectly put! I personally have never really understood that evolution VS god debate. Why couldn´t a god just create a dynamic, evolving universe?

Maybe we will get some answers someday.

Jehovahs Witnesses are Satans number 1 enemy, and this site is certainly one filled with the minds that Satan has blinded.
I have seen countless times memebers of Jehovahs Witnesses come on here and make irrefutable threads shot down by those who are infatuated with either their own thinking or man made philosophies. No matter how accurately the truth is supported, no matter how many reference sources, no matter how many facts, no matter what, many of these ATS memebers just do not care. Fueled by hate and self rightousness.
I give full respect to Jehovahs Witnesses, Ive looked into their work and these supposed connections to worldy entities have been made from EX members.
Nice post Op, but in time do not let members here fire you up, there comes a time that you have to take your leave.

ADD: Your thread will go off topic as usuall and be derailed, by finger pointing that you belong to a cult, or by other ex memebers who couldnt keep moral in your organization and where kicked out, like I have said Ive seen it plenty.