Glass Tubes Discovered in Cydonia

reply to post by Char-Lee


I think there is something *wrong* in the sand dune theory, simply by where and how the patterns run.


They want us to believe that the wind is running down thur these hollows and making all these twist and turns while not affecting the plains around them. It is not impossible, because we are dealing with a different planet. But lave or ice or even tubes make much more sense.

Why would a sand dune run underground from the "Fort" to a crater?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

Here is the image from which it comes. In it you can see many more sand dunes, some inside craters, some in ravines, some not.
hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu...

The way that the formations change direction at certain points is so unlike sand yet lava does do this.

The ravines in which the dunes lie change directions and as pointed out, some of these ravines are probably collapsed lava tubes but ancient water courses would also change directions.

A wonderful picture! I am assuming that parts of this are the very locations people have been calling "glass tubes"?

Originally posted by spiritualarchitect
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

I think there is something *wrong* in the sand dune theory, simply by where and how the patterns run.


They want us to believe that the wind is running down thur these hollows and making all these twist and turns while not affecting the plains around them. It is not impossible, because we are dealing with a different planet. But lave or ice or even tubes make much more sense.

Why would a sand dune run underground from the "Fort" to a crater?

yes i agree with the angles of the dunes and the joints that connect them, but also to not jump to conclusions...(which I always do :lol the ridges could also be part of the same system of geology that caused the other shapes Fort etc.

Check out these ridges of salt just as an example, there are many causes of strange geology. We have to imagine a changing world, with drying seas and rivers and freezing and thaws like nothing we have known here for many years until it became what it is today.

www.georgesteinmetz.com...

reply to post by Char-Lee


Would aliens camouflage their transportaion system to look like sand dunes from above.

reply to post by Char-Lee


The Dune Problem

“The white bands. We see these in many places -- there must be thousands of examples by now. SPSR geologists ruled out dunes early-on as a viable explanation because of considerations such as these:

"Winds" on Mars are insufficient to build large dunes. The surface atmosphere on Mars is roughly 1% that on Earth, and Earth's is in turn only about 1% that on Venus. The atmosphere on Venus is so thick that a 7-mph wind has hurricane force. Analogously, winds on Mars would have to reach hurricane speeds to be felt as the gentlest of breezes. They would require substantially greater speeds to develop enough lift to perform large dune-building on otherwise flat terrain. Jet-stream speeds might arise at higher altitudes, as they do on Earth; but are least likely at the surface.

Below-surface winds require channeling. The white bands are often seen in cracks and fissures. These ought to be sheltered from surface winds. The exception would be a case where a canyon had a wide mouth at one end that could collect a large volume of wind and channel it into a much narrower canyon. However, the cracks and fissures containing white bands are not of that character.

The white bands are perpendicular to adjacent features. Where the white bands are seen on the surface of Mars (the "crenulations"; e.g., Fig. A), they often align perpendicular to adjacent surface features. It is easy so see how sand might be blown up against a surface feature and pile up there, but such piles would be elongated along the surface feature. The surface feature might perform a one-sided channeling of the winds, but that is inconsistent with individual white bands showing no width, height, or spacing variation with distance from the surface feature.

The white bands have appreciably higher albedo than the surface material around them. Dunes ought to be made of the same material as the nearby surface, but wind-blown and deposited in wave-like patterns. However, the same material should cover all nearby terrain. But the actual white bands are sharply brighter than the material between them, and in some cases brighter than anything on the surrounding terrain.

The glassy tubes. In a few places where the surface is cracked or where erosion has exposed what was previously buried, we see the white bands as markings on, or bands around, glassy tube-like structures (e.g., Fig. B). The "dunes" hypothesis does not explain these features.

The glassy tubes have distinct outlines. Nothing about the "dunes" hypothesis requires that the extremities of the dunes be connected by an outline, yet the "flat view" interpretation of the glassy tubes is that they are outlines paralleling or connecting the extremities of the dunes.
The glassy tubes appear to be translucent. In many places, one sees portions of faint white bands between the bright ones, as if seeing through translucent tubing. In isolated places, one sees complex structure faintly between white bands.

A glassy tube appears to produce a specular reflection of sunlight. In one case, a roundish spot of saturated white light appears on a glassy tube (Fig. D). It is positioned on the side toward the Sun, and is positioned such that a specular reflection of the Sun is a possible explanation. As a singular, very bright spot near the end of a section of glassy tubing, no other obvious explanation suggests itself, and any invented for the purpose would be ad hoc. Because natural terrain scatters sunlight, if this spot is reflected sunlight, that would be consistent with tubules of a glassy or plastic-like quality.


The glassy tubes cast shadows. Where shadows can be seen, they are consistent with the glassy tube interpretation, but not always with the "dunes" interpretation. In some cases, such as the glassy tubes on the "Cliff" at Cydonia (Fig. C), the shadows are clearly cast by tube-like features. The shadows are beside the tubes on the side opposite the Sun, parallel the tubes, and narrow when the tubes narrow. No "dunes" or other alternate interpretation to the tubes is available for such cases.”

tvf -- 2001


ps: I saw your photo earlier ~ just another reason why lava would make more sense

reply to post by spiritualarchitect


Information about Mars is changing with time.

Actually this was another of his photos, he has a wonderful collection there. Ck out the one I mentioned the joints in it are like the Mars "tubes".

we also need to remember that the conditions have changed on Mars and geological formations could have formed before it became as it is.

There are some powerful winds on Mars, but just how powerful was only discovered recently. David Choi of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center used images of dust devils taken by Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter's HiRISE camera to determine the speed of the swirling dust devils.

So just how fast was the wind blowing on Mars? Really fast. In some cases the wind speeds were 45 m/s (162 km/hr), well above 33 m/s (118.8 km/hr) which constitutes hurricane force winds on Earth. The typical wind speed was from 20-30 m/s (72-108 km/hr).

www.marstravel.org...

reply to post by spiritualarchitect

They want us to believe that the wind is running down thur these hollows and making all these twist and turns while not affecting the plains around them.

What effects would you expect to see on the plains? The wind doesn't make "twists and turns" but wind doesn't always blow in the same direction either. When the wind blows in the right direction, parallel to the ravine, it creates dunes inside it (and may be somewhat "guided" by the ravine). When it is blowing in another direction it does not and the dunes are protected from the wind by the walls of the ravine. When you see dunes in ravines of very different directions it means they were not formed at the same time.

Why would a sand dune run underground from the "Fort" to a crater?

Can you see dunes underground? I can't.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect

"Winds" on Mars are insufficient to build large dunes.

These aren't dunes? What are they then? I don't think the "SPSR geologists" know what they are talking about.


hirise.lpl.arizona.edu...

reply to post by Phage


That image above was filmed in 2010. The geo report as you can see was done in 2001.

"Can you see dunes underground? I can't."
Watch the video you were provided in this thread.

reply to post by spiritualarchitect

That image above was filmed in 2010. The geo report as you can see was done in 2001.

So you agree that the "geologists" conclusions are inaccurate? I wonder what else they were wrong about.

Watch the video you were provided in this thread.

Does it show dunes underground?

reply to post by Phage


I personally don't know what the video is showing, one of my problems with most other planet pictures is it is hard to tell what is an inny and what is an outie!

The eye can fool us I have learned that lesson well, especially when shadows are involved and long distances.

Originally posted by spiritualarchitect
reply to post by Phage

 

That image above was filmed in 2010. The geo report as you can see was done in 2001.

"Can you see dunes underground? I can't."
Watch the video you were provided in this thread.

Wow look at this picture from this other thread
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.msss.com...

If they were making glass tubes they sure have been busy!

Its called 'trolling' ...LOL like no one here has EVER heard about this theory. Come ONNN!

Originally posted by michael1983l
I ain't gona waste my time watching a YouTube clip labled PlanetX Debate 2008. Sorry.

What makes you think that a video that was posted 5 years ago, has anything groundbreaking to add to ATS today in 2013?

edit on 9-2-2013 by michael1983l because: (no reason given)

You can see HiRISE's version of the more famous "glass tube" here.

Unfortunately, the photo is not that good.

Originally posted by ArMaP
You can see HiRISE's version of the more famous "glass tube" here.

Unfortunately, the photo is not that good.

I seem unable to look at it, is it possible to embed it?

reply to post by Char-Lee

Here's a browser-viewable version of the image (the original is in a JPEG 2000 format).

reply to post by ArMaP


I like how the sand/lava/tube wraps around the "dome" in the crater on the bottom right.

How come you have not posted in the "Sprayer" thread yet? I put it there last night for you.

www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=15906468#pid15906468

Originally posted by BigfootNZ
Its odd I see that pic and wonder how anyone can see tubes... especially when in the upper 3rd on the right you can clearly see individual scattered dunes or tube ribs that arent lined up with any other and that are clearly not attached to any series of others as well as tube 'ribbing' that stretchs, gets thinner or thicker or tappers off to nothing.

I mean in that large upper trench the 'ribbing' of the tubes varies drastically in size, number, thickness, even placement along the direction the 'tube' is going and people think these are somehow manufactured objects? All i see is a long length of raised ground and cliffs where the wind is funneled north east along this line of cliffs where it eventually strikes the large mountain or hill at the top right corner and the wind is then funneled around it to either side down the large open trench to the left as well as off to the right and out of frame... and lo and behold, you have sand dunes all lined up with the direction of the wind as it travels in said directions. And also notice the sand dunes are strongest along the upper cliff of that big trench left of the mountain/hill where the wind would be funneled after hitting its slopes, yet none on the opposite side of the trench besides a few small and scattered ones.

Can we send a rover down there? If they were constructing these so far estimated 600 foot giant stone beams we can imagine there would be quarries and gatherings thrown about.

The glassy tube theory has been bounced around and I'm changing my view again after getting feedback and pics from the thread.

I think they may be ventilation air shafts, because you can see a mist runing through them at certain points. We can conclude that they are strange and there does appear to be a light source in the HiRISE version. Also it appears they may even be simple 'tracks' of some sort.