Is There a Way to Detect Satanic Cults?

originally posted by: ElectricGreen

originally posted by: captaintyinknots

originally posted by: ElectricGreen
This is highly, highly worth the 2 hour and 30 minute watch.

Ex-Satanic Priest

Leave your pre-judgement at the door and just listen to what he has to say. It will change your mind about Satanism being so harmless and real Satanists being good people. People are led to believe it's just another religion-philosophy hybrid on purpose.

I know multiple satanists, and they are all very kind hearted people. And even if they are all world class A**holes-thats not illegal.

Again, what you all are advocated is religious persecution, and it is a VERY slippery slope.

Oh I'm sorry, did you happen to use a time warp machine and watch the 2 hour and 30 minute video in the span of a few minutes? Watch the material before replying to my post because your assertions are dealt with head on. This isn't a witch hunt and that's just an ignorant logical fallacy that's easy to use. Excuse the man for praising God every 10 seconds (I'm being serious) because that can get annoying but he has relevant information.

I was responding to YOUR WORDS, not the video, so no, no time machine needed.

The very fact that you (and this "priest") talk about satanism as though it is all under one single umbrella shows your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

Oh, but you watched a youtube video.....

Lets examine some of the rhetoric in this thread:

Satanists is mentally sick people and they need to deal with the doctor.

tiny number of attention seekers who indulge in satanism

Their eyes are 'shifty'!

And then, of course, theres the title to the thread,

Is There a Way to Detect Satanic Cults?

Which is solely about identifying and singling individuals out based on their religion....nope, nothing "witch hunt" about it at all....

You could use Prior Kramer's Malleus Maleficarum. It's been used for centuries. Mind you, it was never Church-sanctioned, and Kramer himself was expelled by his bishop for his theories. But it is a start - the Inquisition never made any consistent handbooks for this purpose.

www.malleusmaleficarum.org...

In case you were wondering, I'm kidding. You could tell a Satanist from his poor dress sense, smell of Cheetos and cringeworthy edgy rehashes of LaVeyan quotes. The punishment should really be expulsion, since the modern Satanist would not want to live outside the comforts of a Christianised society. The lack of validation and negative attention would be terrifying to them.

originally posted by: captaintyinknots
I was responding to YOUR WORDS, not the video, so no, no time machine needed.

If you can't respond to the entirety of the material in a post, which is very relevant, then there's no point in responding to simply my words because the information is primarily in the video itself.

The very fact that you (and this "priest") talk about satanism as though it is all under one single umbrella shows your complete lack of knowledge on the subject.

You actually don't know how the ex-priest talks about Satanism because you have not even watched the video. If you bothered to watch it, you would know that he talks about the wannabes and the cool-kid garden variety "Satanists" among others… then of course he speaks about the true Satanists, which is what I referred to in my original reply indicating that I do in fact know there are varying degrees of Satanic practitioners.

Oh, but you watched a youtube video…..

You also don't know the depth of my research on this and other religion/spiritual based subjects. I've been studying religion since I was at least ten years old, of my own accord, every time I went into a book store or library I bee-lined for the Spirituality and Religion sections. I shouldn't have to prove my knowledge though, simply because I linked a very educational video.

Lets examine some of the rhetoric in this thread:

Nothing to do with my post and also doesn't support your witch hunt claims either..

Now, I do not see the point in responding to you any further regarding my post unless you want to actually watch the video… then I am open to all sorts of discussion about it.

a reply to: ElectricGreen

If you can't respond to the entirety of the material in a post, which is very relevant, then there's no point in responding to simply my words because the information is primarily in the video itself.

I appreciate your opinion, but Ill respond to posts however I see fit. And no, a youtube video of a "former satanic priest" is not the most relevant thing here.

You actually don't know how the ex-priest talks about Satanism because you have not even watched the video. If you bothered to watch it, you would know that he talks about the wannabes and the cool-kid garden variety "Satanists" among others… then of course he speaks about the true Satanists, which is what I referred to in my original reply indicating that I do in fact know there are varying degrees of Satanic practitioners.

Which, once again, proves the ignorance involved here.

"true Satanists"?
That is not a thing. Satanism has hundreds of sects. None is more "true" than the other. I suggest you read up a little bit.

You also don't know the depth of my research on this and other religion/spiritual based subjects. I've been studying religion since I was at least ten years old, of my own accord, every time I went into a book store or library I bee-lined for the Spirituality and Religion sections. I shouldn't have to prove my knowledge though, simply because I linked a very educational video.

I never said anything about your depth of research. I simply said you are showing ignorance on the topic.

Nothing to do with my post and also doesn't support your witch hunt claims either..

Nope, has to do with MY post, which is the point.

Im starting to get the feeling you dont know what the term "witch hunt" means:

a campaign directed against a person or group holding unorthodox or unpopular views.

Yup. That fits pretty darn well.

Now, I do not see the point in responding to you any further regarding my post unless you want to actually watch the video… then I am open to all sorts of discussion about it.

So, basically, you are saying you have no thoughts of your own on the subject, and are only open to the information in this ONE video, of an, at best, disturbed man.

Fair enough

This is a trick question. Your asking how to identify a group of people that you have stereotyped to be ritual abusers based on your own warped understanding. Well, no one can help you because what your asking for is ridiculous. You've insulted all Satanist with this thread because you obviously have no idea of what one really is..

Let me answer your question with a question that actually has merit.
How can you detect a catholic pedophile/ritual abuser?

Now I would be more worried about that question and answer because it is based on actual current events, not urban legend.

I loathe Xenophobia!

a reply to: captaintyinknots

Hey neat! Can I tell my story here? Since it's almost Halloween and this is a Satanic post? I am going to watch this video tonight. I think I've seen a part of it but I fell asleep.

Here my spooky satanic stuff: My son was born to me pretty young. I was pregnant at fifteen. When he was still a toddler his dad's family and I went to a pow wow and enjoyed an afternoon of browsing through merchandise and watching shows and stuff. At one point we took off to the downtown area of the city we were in. My son was with us. We went to this little occult shop. I thought they had some pretty neat dragon figurines but my son's father went to the counter and asked the guy if he had some book. The clerk pulls this book out of a locked case after asking him for ID. I laughed so hard. I thought, ooooo....a book! I gave the guys a hard time (it was him and his friend), wheeling my little guy back to the festival in a stroller. FYI: my son's dad had an eighth grade education (not in the eighth grade, either) at the time so any book is actually pretty cool and the idea of locking one up is ludicrous. We got home late and I was cooking at his dad's house and the guys took off with this book and a rope into the dark. My son was already asleep. They came running back in and were all freaked out. They said they were out in the woods and trying to conjure something and they said something was out there. So they freaked out and ran back home. Elicited a great big eye roll from me and a lot of laughs. I didn't think much about it until my first marriage to a Christian that was not associated with either of them. We moved into our home and within the first week he kept telling me he saw demons on the hill behind our home. I thought I was married to a lunatic. I did start experiencing sleep paralysis during that marriage and it has subsided. I have had maybe two episodes in the last 6 years. We divorced because he had addictions to child pornography. He had strange illnesses and continues to struggle with his health. My favorite is his rare eye disease that causes pain and the surface of his eyes to form tiny fractures. Considering the things he looks at that seems completely appropriate. If you missed that part, I did say he was a Christian who had issues with child pornography and demons. I had to divorce him. Not a Satanist. My son whom I was pregnant with at 15 was born on 9/11 prior to the towers falling. So Islam looks pretty abusive. The state is secular and did not prosecute my pregnancy which was a crime by both state and federal law. So secularism looks pretty abusive. My second son, born of child porn man was born on Mother's Day 9 years after I was baptized on Mother's Day. I was baptized on Mother's Day at 12 and 9 years later he was born on 5/9/99. I don't know about demons but the Holy Ghost seems on the prowl.

I always wanted to meet a Satanist because I am touched by so many weird things. More than I can say here. God seems with me. Would they see God? Maybe I'd just sit there and look at them and be like, anything yet? I don't know. I think they would find me annoying and airy and simple. Not at all their dark and somber but the opposite. I am light and love and life. I bring life when all around me is death. I gave birth to a rape victim on 9/11, for goodness' sake. I brought life on a day the world saw death and sorrow. I think I have something special and Satanism doesn't scare me. I am not macabre, but the macabre is with me. I am poetry and I think Satanism can be poetry. All things are.

I just read this article (bottom of post) and thought it might be interesting regarding Satanic-panic, and how intense periods there-of were created by government agents when they wanted to deflect attention from their own human rights abuses onto stigmatized groups like teenagers, entertainers, pagans and occultists.

It makes one wonder how many influential figures in law enforcement, religions, mental health or eduction are actually agents who helped the superstructure to cover up state crimes.
Luckily when such cases got to the highest courts that actually demand evidence, they were thrown out.
However, legal validation is not required to keep a psy-op going, but the suffering of the innocent people in the McMartin pre-school case, for example, was shocking enough.
en.wikipedia.org...

There are examples of Satanic-panic from various countries, including South Africa in late 1980s and early 1990s (the apartheid police formed an occult unit to uncover Satanic crimes and conspiracies, even when the same police had secret hit squads that assassinated political dissidents).
en.wikipedia.org...

Similarly, the US involvement in Central American wars that killed tens of thousands was very efficiently overshadowed for the public by media-fueled concerns about Satanism, rock music lyrics and the youth.
I guess it's an open conspiracy now - religion is mind control that sometimes explodes into popular culture at the behest of agents.
And yet, a lot of the shocking amoral activity they deflect on "Satanism" actually goes on in their structures, behind closed doors, and well meaning people are funding it all.

www.theguardian.com...

Cults and ritualistic or religiously connected "abuse" do exist and can be found throughout the globe in both the past and present, and will no doubt be found in the future.

You specifically asked about Satanic Ritual Abuse, and rather than diverting the topic by lecturing you on how it is not just Satanism, the Devil doesn't exist, and the usual replies, I will try to give you my answer.

There are some 7 billion people living in the world. Of those 7 billion there are a lot of crazies, and some which are highly intelligent, also many who are fully capable of finding other crazies to form a club of crazies. Anybody who even entertains the information on a conspiracy-oriented website knows this!

I would say it is definitely likely that, although modern Satanism does not do the things you may be getting at, there are "old school" Satanists who very much do do the things you are getting at. In fact, I would go so far as to say it is downright insane to reject the possibility outright. There may very well be a group of individuals out there who practice a form of Anti-Christianity, who worship the Devil, and who perform cruel and evil acts in the name of their religion.

How would you find them? They are probably interested in "re-constructionist Satanism" - these would be your fundamentalist Satanists. If anyone tries to tell you there is no such thing as a fundamentalist Satanist, I would quickly become skeptical. There are fundamentalists in every belief system.

Certainly I know very well, being a neopagan for the past 15 years, that it is believed Satanism (the kind the Christian Church speaks of) is entirely constructed by the Church, but this is simply where the evidence points, and it certainly does not mean people would not take this construct and use it as their form of religion. I mean, Wicca is entirely constructed out of the past and many people practice Wicca even knowing that it is as early a construct as the 1950s. If they can choose to practice a fully constructed earth-based and peaceful religion such as Wicca, it only stands to reason that some can choose to practice the fully constructed Satanism of the Christian Church. Does it not?

So, in my mind, to say that there are not people doing this and even that they cannot be organized about it, is completely ludicrous. True, being a Pagan who gets labelled evil and thrown in the same box by mainstream religions, it would be nice if this were not so, even better if I tried not to allow people such as yourself to entertain the idea, but being one who believes in truth I am forced to admit the possibility.

So how do you find them? As I said, they would likely be interested in reconstructing the old Satanism, which means they need old books about it. So... They can probably be found where these books are, and by reading these books one could probably put together a decent profile as well. What would be most important and what would actually help you find what you are looking for (if it actually exists) would be your ability to clearly separate neopaganism and other Pagan religions that claim no connection with this re-constructionist Satanism from it, otherwise, you will have a huge pool of false data and no one will ever take any of your research seriously.

How do you know what re-constructionist Satanism is and what it looks like? I honestly do not know, especially since it would likely be extremely secretive, however, one might be able to use key words from the old texts already spoken off to eventually stumble upon such individuals on the world wide web, much like how other people of similar interests often stumble upon one another online (a sort of handkerchief code, BTW I use that only as an example NOT to lump the groups who use such a code in with any other group). However, I don't think very many sane people would want to get that close to any person of the sort which is being postulated concerning re-constructionist Satanism.

a reply to: HillbillyHippie1
Well put, and I generally tend to agree.

I'd just prefer to use a term like "highly malevolent", rather than "Satanic".

I think that one needs two criteria, and only very powerful individuals (or groups of them) could actually fulfill them.
The first is that they ritually abuse children, which means access to children that nobody really cares about over a sustained period.
The second is that they are highly educated, perhaps even with theological training.
At least in historic black masses the fallen, or de-frocked priest was an important component.

I couldn't say where to find them specifically though.
They're probably too clever to draw attention to themselves, if they exist.

I could think of people (mainly preachers) that give me cold chills down my spine, and they clearly know about mass hypnotism.
However, it would be presumptuous (if not libelous) to say this means they also abuse children or practice black magic rituals.

So I can't quite say.
During Satanic-panic it was very simple: if your kid had a Black Sabbath album, wore symbolic occult jewelery and was rebellious, it was a sure sign he was being recruited into Satanism.
One got entire lists of Satanic rock bands, and signs and symbols to watch out for as a parent or teacher.
Obviously that was rubbish.
Occasionally, with people taking it all so seriously, some individuals did concoct their own rituals and became malevolent, almost like a self-fulfilling prophesy from anti-occult literature.

What goes on behind the doors of power?
Who knows?

They sometimes let there presents be known i have done some battles with these kind of people.......