Outline of the 1947 Roswell Events – plural: events!

Is Roswell worth considering further? From what I’ve been told by reliable, credible investigators working the Roswell story, outside the loony lime-light of the internet crowd, yes it is.

Seems like there is "more" information and "new" information on this never ending story. The place where all the stuff was found (debris found by Mac Brazel) was all a fake set-up. The real event was miles away. Also. some of the old stories that were told and poo pooed are now being looked at again (the Archaeologists group) put forth by Kevin Randle and Schmitt.

What was the real event? It seems, from evidence located only a few months ago, that the real Roswell story is not far from the archaeologist tale(s) which you can find a good recounting of in several books, with Kevin Randle’s and Don Schmitt’s The Truth About the UFO Crash at Roswell [M. Evans and Company, NY, 1994, Chapter 14, Page 102 ff.] being a relevant source.

Seems like alot of mis-direction was going on etc..

Anyway read this new info here: source jan. 26th 2013 The UFO Iconoclast(s) ufocon.blogspot.com...

The premise that the Foster ranch debris was a Mogul balloon doesn't make sense.

Why was the material unable to be cut? Why did it have memory metal characteristics, which not part of any projects? Why did it spread out over hundreds of yards, and why was it metallic, in a sense never seen before.

I don't get much out of the link either. I say "fail" on this one, unless the researchers have more.

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Well they do say: "Kevin Randle’s Dream team may enlighten the UFO community upcoming, and they can do so if they really wish to."

This just came out the 26th so I'm keeping my eye on Kevin Randle's blog and the one this story came from. All I can do, really.

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I understand. It just doesn't seem to add up with what I currently understand about the Roswell story.

Originally posted by Jchristopher5
Why was the material unable to be cut? Why did it have memory metal characteristics, which not part of any projects? Why did it spread out over hundreds of yards, and why was it metallic, in a sense never seen before.

On the other hand, if the material was unable to be cut and had memory metal characteristics, how did it manage to be torn apart and scattered over hundreds of yards? Things explode or are hit by lightning all the time that don't end up shredded into thousands of little pieces.

I think the trick is to not take witness testimony as gospel, but rather as an interpretation of something they kind of remember or were told about many decades ago.

What's relevant to the OP is the 2002 Haut affidavit. Walter Haut was there. He was ordered to put out the original "flying disc" story, and he handled debris. Either you believe the content of the affidavit he left to be read after his death or you don't. He tells of what sounds like an escape pod with alien bodies found at a site north of Roswell. It could be that the drive portion of a typical saucer was ejected because of a severe emergency, leaving the cockpit to act as an escape pod for the crew. The drive portion (the outer rim) may have traveled about 100 miles before crashing and creating the famous debris field.

And that material that Jesse Marcel described on BBC TV shortly before he died and his son still describes in the same way could be graphene, which was theorized and described in a scientific article in 1947 and is now the subject of a lot of R&D.

Funny you should mention Graphene, Europe has just given Science 2bn Euro's to research more into it. Would be interesting if this material was found in 1947 outside Roswell.

Research projects investigating the "miracle material" graphene and the human brain have won unprecedented funding of up to 1bn euros each. Under the European Commission's Future and Emerging Technologies programme, the backing is designed to give Europe an edge in key areas of research.

www.bbc.co.uk...

or those aliens at roswell were not supposed to be there and were shot up by superior fire power.

not a spitfire, but the superior firepower of the craft that shot it down. possibly by their enemies, or they were enemies of a group of entities much stronger.

or they could have staged the whole event to make contact with the u.s. military and deceive them. or ally themselves to them.

the atomic age is a turning point in history, because now humanity has the ability to destroy the entire earth instead of losing it to invasion or occupation.

possibly a global samson option is in effect. an alien invasion would be pointless.

but, there are reports that alien crafts have the ability to disarm nuclear weapons.

or it could have simply been an accident. but most agree that it wasn't weather balloon. why release an alien saucer cover story for a lousy weather balloon.

here is the one of the two most powerful people on earth, with the worlds most deadliest armies at their command testing the waters and warning the world: (notice as the entire delegation hangs on his every word)



watch again and listen carefully to what he is saying. what if he was speaking semi-literally. he is the president, the entire world watching is not time for riddles.

The Roswell Time Line - July 8, 1947

www.kevinrandle.blogspot.com...

Here is an updated "time line" from Kevin Randle. Very good information here. He and his so-called dream team are still into what really went down.

I think the theory that two craft ran into each other makes sense. I don't think Roswell was a dupe. Stanton Friedman has some good ideas about why they ran into each other - check it out if you get the chance.

Roswell was hardly a weather balloon - or a mogul balloon - or an Army dummy - or a nuke-detecting instrument. All excuses the Air Force has come up with.

hows this for a theory;
aliens faked the crash in order to feed us technology. presumably they 'gave' to the US in preference to the Soviet Union, perhaps thinking we'd be easier to deal with when deal time came.
there might even be a trojan-horse aspect; perhaps they put 'bugs' in the tech so they'll know our weaknesses if/when there's conflict (a la 'Independence Day').
(for 'aliens' you might substitute 'people from the future')

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The premise that the Foster ranch debris was a Mogul balloon doesn't make sense.

I cant remember the show but they attemted to recreate what a debris feild from a crashed project mogul balloon would look like and if brazels description is to be beleived than a crashed mogul balloon does not leave a large enough debris felid

as well he found weather balloons before so it seems like he probably would have identified it
www.roswellfiles.com...

Because of my age I can tell you that I remember a different story about Roswell than I hear told today. I can't even tell you how I know this except from an early age I was interested in UFO's because it was in the "limelight" more than most people realize back then. I read books on it under the covers, scared to death of the tales of Mothman, the Texas winged whatever and the like. The story I remember about Roswell was always (back then) a tale of two debris sites.

The first was a huge area of bits and pieces Max whatshisname's ranch and the other a "crash" site.

The understanding I had of this at the time, (early 60's) was that the UFO had crashed in a different place than the debris field. This was related to an impact in the air, either an impact with another flying vehicle or a "shoot down" by nearby military elements. Remember, at that time the newest tech from Germany during the war was being tested which included "guided" weapons. Early variants of guided missile technology captured in Germany during WWII were all being tested in that area. Radar, jets, nuclear weapons, etc. That was the thing I realized it could be... A shoot down by way pf an ambush laid for repeated "Mysterious lights" activity in that area at that time.

The way the story has changed form then till now is the two debris sites (one debris, one crash) has mostly just become the one debris field now, with these odd stories about the little guys at the scene and transport of bodies, etc.

The two seem disconnected until you add the other (crash) site to the picture.

Anyway, thought I'd add that.

This is from Wikipedia's Talk: Project Mogul, but the same thing has been mentioned on Larry King Live, etc.

It should also be noted that a Mogul log book does NOT support the government's assertion of the launch on July 4, 1947, being the Mogul balloon that crashed, mainly because the log lists that flight as being canceled due to weather. The balloon was launched the next day (July 5, 1947) and according to the log book was recovered, hence not lost.

Bill Nye, on Larry King Live responded that log books can be wrong, but the man who cited this had simply cited the entry about the canceled flight and didn't counter by mentioning the July 5 flight, which would have made a stronger case.

Of course, there are other strong issues with the Mogul story, but I find these points about the log book interesting.

And I mentioned in my post above that what Walter Haut described in his affidavit (small egg-shaped craft) could be just the habitable section of a so-called flying saucer, with the main drive system (outer skirt) ejected. That could also explain other sightings of landed craft described as egg-shaped but probably shaped more like a flattened sphere, (Lonnie Zamora, French farm, etc.).

Originally posted by xpoq47
What's relevant to the OP is the 2002 Haut affidavit. Walter Haut was there. He was ordered to put out the original "flying disc" story, and he handled debris. Either you believe the content of the affidavit he left to be read after his death or you don't. He tells of what sounds like an escape pod with alien bodies found at a site north of Roswell. It could be that the drive portion of a typical saucer was ejected because of a severe emergency, leaving the cockpit to act as an escape pod for the crew. The drive portion (the outer rim) may have traveled about 100 miles before crashing and creating the famous debris field.

And that material that Jesse Marcel described on BBC TV shortly before he died and his son still describes in the same way could be graphene, which was theorized and described in a scientific article in 1947 and is now the subject of a lot of R&D.

Sounds interesting, I am aware of more than one crash and probably, one crash came after and was done the military to immitate an actual event just like they did with the Phoenix lights. This info is new there to me, but one should remain open for the possibility of multiple disinformation to make sure the case is so complex that is never considered true.

Originally posted by fleabit
I think the theory that two craft ran into each other makes sense. I don't think Roswell was a dupe. Stanton Friedman has some good ideas about why they ran into each other - check it out if you get the chance.

Highly likely if this was Man made experimental aircraft...

Graphene interesting stuff