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H.J.Res.13 - Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States waiving the application of the first article of amendment to the political speech of corporations and other business organizations with respect to the disbursement of funds in connection with public elections.

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HJ 13 IH







113th CONGRESS







1st Session







H. J. RES. 13






Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States waiving the application of the first article of amendment to the political speech of corporations and other business organizations with respect to the disbursement of funds in connection with public elections.







IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES








January 4, 2013






Ms. KAPTUR introduced the following joint resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary






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JOINT RESOLUTION






Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States waiving the application of the first article of amendment to the political speech of corporations and other business organizations with respect to the disbursement of funds in connection with public elections.






Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled (two-thirds of each House concurring therein), That the following article is proposed as an amendment to the Constitution of the United States, which shall be valid to all intents and purposes as part of the Constitution when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years after the date of its submission for ratification:







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‘The first article of amendment does not apply to the political speech of any corporation, partnership, business trust, association, or other business organization with respect to the making of contributions, expenditures, or other disbursements of funds in connection with public elections.’.CommentsPermalink

The Link: www.opencongress.org...

Another Link on Companion Bill: www.opencongress.org...

Sounds to me like they are trying to back door another attempt at muzzling Corporate ability to express pleasure or displeasure with the system by contribution to the political process.

Unless I'm misreading it all...it's a way to get around the Citizens United decision. I don't even MIND seeing it...as long as Unions are included in the muzzling for corrupting the system through mega-bucks.

Make that read any organization not created and dedicated by majority purpose TO the effort of political change or influence and I'm all for it. That would cover Corps but also cover all OTHER VERY VERY well funded organizations who have, by sheer size and power, come to control the system far beyond the numbers the represent among the population.

Fair is Fair and I can't support muzzling one side while leaving the other to rampage across the political landscape ..entirely unchecked at that point.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Yes, an ultimately unsuccessful attempt to kill Citizens United, one of the worse decisions the U.S. Supreme Court has ever made. I think most politicans realize that the only way the decision will go down the tube where it belongs is when another Supreme Court ruling overturns it. But they have to try, regardless, and it also gets the politicians on record either supporting or opposing Citizens United.

reply to post by Aleister

Well, I'm curious... You feel Citizens United would have formed good law, given the narrow and one sided focus it had toward removing the corrupting influence from our system?

ya but if you go to the whole site you can see every new law that is either purposed or has passed, and some are pretty interesting, This one looks like they are really trying to clean up things a bit.
Mods, I know this might be posted in the wrong area but this is what came up so please move it if you see fit to where it needs to be.

Interesting note though, Now that I have looked through all the new bills there is not even one mention of any new gun control bills there at all, with all this talk this seems kinda odd, don`t ya think?

reply to post by thunder57

If I might make a suggestion? I like Open Congress for background info and the like. Similar to some privately run budget sites and defense statistic sites. All valuable and important for reference....but there's nothing like the source itself.

Thomas (Library of Congress)

If it exists in Congress or has existed in the past? It should be in there with all the details...and very helpful summaries kept up to date pretty near daily. If you'd already been there looking for the other bills...my bad and perhaps it'll help someone else to have, too.

*Sorry.. It wouldn't let me link direct to the Bill summary. Just type in H.J.R. 13, with the periods in place for the search box and up it'll come. Everything else you might want to see should pop the same way by keyword if nothing else.

We have more than enough laws.
2nd line.

yes, it's the democrats whining.

Well to each their own opinion which are our rights under the constitution. I will not be one to stop this freedom, because this is an open debate.

reply to post by thunder57

That's what makes our system work...when the money isn't running it from all sides anyway.

I fight for my position (get Unions OUT of politics by all means and measures) and you'll fight for your position (get big business OUT of politics by all means and measures). When the system is actually functioning as perhaps it did years ago? It usually brings a solution no one is entirely happy with. Success in a Republic.

reply to post by thunder57


Just a few things:

***All of the Information below is from Open Congress.org***

This bill was introduced by Rep. Marcy Kaptur

Other areas that are related to this:
Political Advertising
1st Amendment Rights
Elections, Voting, and Political Campaign Regulations
Corporate Finance and Management
Constitution and Constitutional Amendments
Congressional Elections
Government Operations and Politics
***End of links***

It seems that the point behind this bill is to place some controls on corporate spending (or backing) political parties, or candidates. (I really doubt this will get to the floor for a vote)

Well look at this bill would you: H.J.Res.15, It would allow a president to run for office as many times as he or she wishes to. It is listed on the same site as I refered to above. But the Link to the law is this: www.opencongress.org...

reply to post by Guyfriday


Ya she has many different bills out there right now for consideration, are we even looking into who she is? Her bills sound justified.

It looks like an attempt to minimize Citizens United decision.
My preference would have been to propose an amendment limiting the exercise and applicability of enumerated rights contained in the Constitution (as amended) to human beings period. As far as lobbying goes, it should be banned from infusing cash and services for the benefit of lawmakers and restrict those activities to information and awareness programs (corporate campaign contributions and PACs simply not allowed).

ganjoa

Good thinking, but then to fix the problem thinking is what it will take.