Convince me

I've read through quite a few threads, some people saying they have been upducted, other claim some members here are indeed aliens. But I am neither a believer or a disbeliever. How can you 100% guarantee to me that aliens do exist? How can I take your word's for it? How on earth did people come up with naming the apparent different species of aliens when (not to my knowledge) there is even any certain proof any species of aliens do exist?

There have been alot of sightings, crop circles yada yada yada, but these could have been faked or could just by some sort of psychological thing. If you keep telling yourself that shadows are alive, you will eventually believe that and automatically jump to that conclusion before another explaination is given. Similar thing could have happened with aliens? People might have heard about it so much, they are starting to believe it and immediatly "blames" any slighty strange stuff on aliens. I mean, alien space craft, they could just be the next gen flighter planes that the military are testing. Maybe that is why the government is keeping quiet about these UFO's.

So can someone please convince me, either way, do aliens from other planets exist.

Cheers

Originally posted by mouldy_punkBut I am neither a believer or a disbeliever. How can you 100% guarantee to me that aliens do exist?

Read through ALL the cases on ww.ufocasebook.com

Then report back if you think that every last one is a hoax, a mistaken airplane, an advanced aircraft, or whatever.

I still think that best sighting and evidence that something intelligent is out there is the one that happened to a fisherman in california I believe, just a few years ago.

He was carrying on his buisness on a boat, when suddenly a saucer appeared above, hovering with bright beams of light shining down. Being the american he was, he took out his rifle and shot out the light. A hatch opened on the side, and a creature of some sort leaned out:

"Stop shooting at us you idiot!"

Then it took off.
This is a factual UFO report.

Nobody can 100% guarantee to you that aliens exist. If they could then this forum wouldn't exist.

My advice to you is to do some of your own research and make your own mind up.

You'll find that everything is 'shades of grey' - you can't be 100% sure of anything. Keep an open mind and be prepared to reassess your 'reality' on a daily basis.

Also, don't rely on a single source for 'the truth'.

If all that sounds a little vague then I'm sorry - but the truth is, that the whole ET debate IS at best, vague.

Personally, I don't see any reason why ET shouldn't exist on any one of the billions of planet that orbit any one of the billions of stars in our galaxy alone. And I see no reason to assume that they haven't worked out how to travel vast distances in a relatively short space of time. So, therefore I see no reason why they wouldn't visit ours and other planets - after all, that's what we'll be doing in the future. In short, I think it's more likely that ET does exist rather than not - no proof in that, just probability.

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Why should we?
Whats in it for me?
Why should any of us care whether you beleve or not?
Why shold we do the work of making up your mind for you?

Unfortunately the kind of "proof" that you are looking for cannot be found on virtually any subject that is theory-based.

One of the biggest things that got me into researching the paranormal was the fact that no-one can prove they don't exist. Even when people try their best, the evidence is never solid in showing that nothing is going on out there.

Perhaps your research has begun to put you in the grey (no pun intended) zone that many of us are; where you are frustrated with all the open-ended stories, coverups, conspiracies, etc.

We'd all do anything for solid proof of their existence, but unless you have some serious clearance or get caught up into something unintentional; you probably won't be getting it.

Wish we had better news for ya

Trust me bud, if comeone could PROVE to you that aliens exist, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Now, I aint gonna go thru all the seemingly credible points of alien evidence, but I'll just ask you one question. Out of the thousands, or even millions of ufo, alien, abduction stories, if just one is true, then it wouldn't matter about the rest of the false ones, right?

As seen above it appears that no-one on this site can prove 100% that aliens do exist however there is no proof that aliens definetly dont exist, in fact the opposite seems far more probable.

looking at this situation logically i would say that there is a very good chance that they do exist- humans like to think that they know everything like where they came from and how its all going to end truth is we simply dont know ANYTHING concerning the grand scheme of life so i just try to keep an open mind after all theres far more evidence to suggest that aliens exist than most religions can provide evidence concerning God.

hope this helps- JoeyC

There might be nothing that could convince you but looking at all the sources for yourself first then come up with your own conclusions.

Personally i would only believe in abductions myself if i had been abducted and until then i always say...

Believe nothing what you hear and half of what you see.

Let me get you started.

Disclosure Project

Over 400 government, military, and intelligence community witnesses testifying to their direct, personal, first hand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology

Mexican Air Force UFO Video

BBC News Report

Mexican Airforce UFO video clip.(2 Megs,Mpeg)



Look at everything i have provided, look at some other credible footage and reports then you can make your own mind up.

You're basing this on a FEW replies?

How can you 100% guarantee to me that aliens do exist?

NOTHING is 100%... We can't even prove that we aren't all just a dream, or truly exist, for example.

However, I'll bite, and give you EVIDENCE, not PROOF...

1. Numerous sightings throughout time, from different cultures, and even in times when there was no worldwide communication, and yet all describing similar craft and beings.

2. Numerous photos, videos, and even gun-camera footage from military planes...(sure, a majority of these could be hoaxes, but if even one is not, which is sheer statistics, then obviously there is something going on here...)

3. Numerous accounts by professionals, military officers, radar officers, pilots, even former presidents and world leaders.

4. The Roswell case. An event even at first acknowledged by the military and then covered up (which is a fact, as the Air Force case has more holes than swiss cheese, with the Mogul explaination). Not to mention deathbed confessions, dozens of witnesses (including military officers). This is also supported by documentation. We also have the complete reorganization of the US defense department the same month (with no other indications as to why), that resulted in the centralization of intelligence (the CIA) and a separation of the Air Force as a separate entity. Not even Homeland Security was put into play so fast. So ask yourself, what kind of event could have spurred such a radical shakeup? Coincidence? I don't think so...

5. Government documents. For a start, I'd suggest www.majesticdocuments.com... as they have one of the best organized presentations of this. Spend a few hours there, and you'll have enough to see there is something here...

6. The Betty and Barney Hill Case. They didn't go looking for an abduction, they were simply trying to figure out what happened during some missing time. Eventually, much was uncovered. Betty even drew a star map which correctly showed stars that weren't even discovered yet, and of which she could not have seen from her native skies. This map even designated which stars were yellow like our sun, and showed the aliens' travel path. It took years later, to determine that such paths would indeed have been a likely route due to distance, etc.

7. Mounting evidence for life on other worlds. We're already seeing a NASA confirmation that water was at least once present on Mars, if not still, and there is still the unconfirmed issue of the Martian microbes found in meteors.

8. Numerous government projects to look into the phenomenon, Grudge, Sign, Bluebook, etc. and that's just the US. Russia's investigations into it are also well documented.

9. Government insiders, those known to be in high profile, highly secretive work, who have come forward to tell their stories. One notable mention here is Phillip Corso (Day after Roswell). Another is Marcell, the Intel Officer at Roswell, who even confirmed that the Mogul balloon story is a coverup, and that the debris he posed with was part of the coverup effort.

10. Simple statistics. It is highly improbable that with the billions of stars and planets, that intelligent life only showed up on our little speck of dirt.

You'll have to do your own research to draw your own conclusions. Many of us have spent years doing so, and couldn't possible cram it all into one post. While nothing is 100%, I think you'll find the likelihood of alien visitation pretty high up there percentage-wise... In going through what's out there, you'll see some nonsense such as Pleidians, wacko cults, etc. but like all true conspiracies, it's up to each individual to separate the wheat from the chaff... I wish you a good harvest...

It is more likely that there is alien life, than the chances that there is not. Now, are They coming here? Alot say yes, alot say no. I'm on the fence with that one. So I guess you and I are kinda' in the same boat. Yes, we may hold some interest to an alien being for some reason or reasons. On the other hand, we are still pretty primative compared to a space-faring race, nukes, spaceprobes aside. Like Gazrok said, you need to make up your own mind on this. Listening to others is good but, not to the point that you are being told what to think. There are some darn good reports and sightings out there, but I think it remains for all of us to see if it's aliens or "us" messing with things.

It is no ones job to convince you of anything. Thats your job.

Its your job to do the research and study the issue youself from both sides, then make up your mind on the data.

You either believe or dont believe. if you want to "be convinced", do your own research. If you want to debate, then keep posting

GODDAMIT!!! Why you have to make such stupid posts? DO you think I or someone else cares if you believe in ET lifeforms or not? I DONT. STOP messing with the board. I love ATS, but seriously, i havent posted in a month or something, because of guys like you. Nothing credible has come out these days, just raped old threads, eating on the same information for years. What is the point. GODDAMIT GODDAMIT GODDAMIT!

p.s. Gazrok, cheers mate

Take it easy Beer, hehe.....

I'd hardly expect a newer member to even start looking through all of the past threads here... I'll admit that the original tone is a bit flippant, even a little arrogant, but, eh...

Cheers to you as well...

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GODDAMIT!!! Why you have to make such stupid posts? DO you think I or someone else cares if you believe in ET lifeforms or not? I DONT. STOP messing with the board. I love ATS, but seriously, i havent posted in a month or something, because of guys like you. Nothing credible has come out these days, just raped old threads, eating on the same information for years. What is the point. GODDAMIT GODDAMIT GODDAMIT!

To quote Kang and Kodos (Simpsons):

"Holy flurking schnitt!"

Ok forget all sightings, crop circles, or any other reported alien events from earth. Just think porbability. IN the milky way there are 1,000,000,000 stars in the milky way alone and 1,000,000,000 galaxies in the universe. Lets say ten percent of those have planets surrounding them thats 100 million planets then say 10% have a habital climate by earth standards now we have 10 million planets then lets say there is 10% chance of life on those planets no we have 1million planets then ten percent of those have intelligent life now we have 100,000 planets lets say 10% of those have radio communication like us now we have 10,000 planets then lets say that by now 90% have destroyed them selves by now which is a very large percent then there is still the possibility of 1,000 civilazations in our galaxy, then 1,000 times then billion other galaxies in our universe so that would amount to 1,000,000,000,000 civilazations in our universe. Now they are many theories of multiple unvierses. thats not concrete proof but a large probability.

If anyone lives near the Pacific Seaboard and are up 1 to 2 hours before dawn look up showings are supposed to start occuring. There may be good news before the elections if things go right and if so then you will have landing contact in less then several weeks. Things are hanging on a thread I think we shall see what happens. I'm not holding my breath it is said the last time contact was going to be made the lights went out you know what I am talking about.
By the way this is not my information it comes from two different sources.
We shall see but then maybe not.

So, your telling me that out of the 100 BILLION stars in the milky way galaxy, only 1 planet of 1 medium sized star has life on it, thats impossoble

Originally posted by Gazrok
1. Numerous sightings throughout time, from different cultures, and even in times when there was no worldwide communication, and yet all describing similar craft and beings.

Craft, maybe. Beings, hardly. If you pick and choose, sure, everyone sees little grey men with big eyes. Take it as a whole and you have creatures of every size and description.

2. Numerous photos, videos, and even gun-camera footage from military planes...(sure, a majority of these could be hoaxes, but if even one is not, which is sheer statistics, then obviously there is something going on here...)

Numerous photos of light sin the sky. No reason to use this as a base that they are extraterrestrial craft of any sort.

3. Numerous accounts by professionals, military officers, radar officers, pilots, even former presidents and world leaders.

This is a good point.

4. The Roswell case. An event even at first acknowledged by the military and then covered up (which is a fact, as the Air Force case has more holes than swiss cheese, with the Mogul explaination). Not to mention deathbed confessions, dozens of witnesses (including military officers). This is also supported by documentation. We also have the complete reorganization of the US defense department the same month (with no other indications as to why), that resulted in the centralization of intelligence (the CIA) and a separation of the Air Force as a separate entity. Not even Homeland Security was put into play so fast. So ask yourself, what kind of event could have spurred such a radical shakeup? Coincidence? I don't think so...

The Roswell Legend has been so damaged by time and lies that nothing can be said of it for sure.

5. Government documents. For a start, I'd suggest www.majesticdocuments.com... as they have one of the best organized presentations of this. Spend a few hours there, and you'll have enough to see there is something here...

Documents that have been shown to be partly false.

6. The Betty and Barney Hill Case. They didn't go looking for an abduction, they were simply trying to figure out what happened during some missing time. Eventually, much was uncovered. Betty even drew a star map which correctly showed stars that weren't even discovered yet, and of which she could not have seen from her native skies. This map even designated which stars were yellow like our sun, and showed the aliens' travel path. It took years later, to determine that such paths would indeed have been a likely route due to distance, etc.

Another good point.

7. Mounting evidence for life on other worlds. We're already seeing a NASA confirmation that water was at least once present on Mars, if not still, and there is still the unconfirmed issue of the Martian microbes found in meteors.

Which is no reason to believe that life has visited the Earth. It opens the possibility up, though.

8. Numerous government projects to look into the phenomenon, Grudge, Sign, Bluebook, etc. and that's just the US. Russia's investigations into it are also well documented.

Good point, although one must ask how much of that was just shoddy work or disinformation (It is well know that the Soviets loved using the UFO cover for their aircraft tests).

9. Government insiders, those known to be in high profile, highly secretive work, who have come forward to tell their stories. One notable mention here is Phillip Corso (Day after Roswell). Another is Marcell, the Intel Officer at Roswell, who even confirmed that the Mogul balloon story is a coverup, and that the debris he posed with was part of the coverup effort.

Marcell is reliable IMO, but people like Corso jsut seme to be jumping on the bandwagon to make q uick buck.

10. Simple statistics. It is highly improbable that with the billions of stars and planets, that intelligent life only showed up on our little speck of dirt.

Those same statistics state that intelligent life ahs a good chance of wiping itself out. So far, intelligence has not proven itslef ot be a viable trait in the long tun. We nearly destroye dourselves on more than one occassion.

Not trying to start an argument, just giving opinions like everyone else. Gotta see things from both sides.

Paladin its quite possible there many more, but my point was the even using very low percentages you get large amount of alien races.

Gazrok, do you bekive in any spiritual alien races visiting us, or they all self-serving baby eaters?