Do not support either Israel or Palestine !!!

Before you read this let me tell you that I am not against Jews and Muslims but I am definately against Jihad/Sharia and Zionism.

This is what I think regarding the Palestine-Israel situation. Feel free to disagree .


There is a huge fight going on between the Jihadists and Zionists.
Jihadists are directly related to Palestine and Zionists are related to Israel.
Jihadists greatest enemy in the middle east is Israel and Zionist's greatest enemy is Palestine.

Zionists are few in number. However they are very powerful. They secretly try to control the world through media manipulation and manipulation of international bodies[UN,WHO etc]. Most of them are very rich. It is their hidden agenda to control the world.Their current agenda is to destroy Palestine(with the help of US) and take control of the middle east.Their main enemies are Palestine and all other Islamic countries.

Jihadist are not very powerful politically (but their numbers are growing at an alarming rate). However with the creation of Muslim Brotherhood ,their power has increased a lot. They seek to establish Sharia and Jihad throughout the world. They do this with the help of mass breeding in a given country(issued through a fatwa) and then once they gain majority , by making the country an Islamic state. Their main enemies are US and Israel.

Now the whole world has been divided into two sides .One side supporting Palestine and the other side supporting Israel. This is because of both the Zionist and Jihadist trying to gain support for their own sides. It is a part of mass-crowd-control agenda that is going on . Each side wants to get support from people all over the world. They do this mostly via Internet [News websites,Youtube videos and Facebook Pages].

Now if you support either Palestine or Israel ,you have been mind-controlled . And I am not even kidding.
Neither Palestine nor Israel is good for us [Christians, Buddhists ,Hindus ,Athiests ].
Once one side destroys the other they will be coming for us and destroying us too.
The right thing will be to leave them alone. Do not show your support. Let the Zionist and Jihadist fight among themselves and kill each other.

I do not understand why on earth are people supporting them. Can't you see their agenda? They will destroy us too when the time comes. The best thing will be to leave them alone.

That's what I had to say.
Now let the bashing begin.

There are really only two reasons I support Israel. The Holy Bible and the Samson Option.

It doesn't even matter which is accurate or true..if not both. If either is to the context? My choice is well founded and ..sadly..will prove out in due course.

If this were any other two sets of people, anywhere else on Earth? I'd say the global community ought to spank them both and send them for a time out until they sort out their differences. but......well?

reply to post by shivaX


So let me get this straight

You want people on ATS to shut up on the whole Israel/Palestine issue

While US government sends more money, more military hardware to Israel.

Tell you what

Why don't you copy paste this OP post of yours and email it straight to White House

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
There are really only two reasons I support Israel. The Holy Bible and the Samson Option.

LOL so if I call you on the phone and tell you I will kill your fluffy rabbit behind if you don't do what I say.

You will "support me"

You mean you will FEAR ME

There is a difference,

and by the way, Samson Option is very Real, and they are crazy enough to do it.

reply to post by JewAgainstZionism


You are obviously a muslim or another mind controlled being.

If you are here to gain support for Palestine , do not even try.

Originally posted by shivaX
You are obviously a muslim or another mind controlled being.

If you are here to gain support for Palestine , do not even try.

I am a muslim ???

How about this,

You are a Pro Israeli SHill, who noticed that ATS doesn't like the taste of Zionists in the mouth,

So you are trying at the very least to place the blame equally among all parties.

See how transparent you are, and why Zio image is losing world wide.

reply to post by JewAgainstZionism

It's funny to you and others...I suppose.

It won't be terribly funny to 20-30 million Muslims if they initiate Samson. Doing whatever it takes to PREVENT the situation where that becomes what they view as their last viable option has been part of what has driven U.S. policy since Camp David. Even Carter understood the unthinkable costs and absolute need to avoid a war where that comes as the end result.

There is absolutely no piece of land on this planet worth what that one will cost to take by war. That's my opinion and I'm unmoved by any argument I've ever heard from the other side. It's about just how much is too much to lose........to take a strip of land the size of New Jersey.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

There are really only two reasons I support Israel. The Holy Bible and the Samson Option.

Those are two major reasons why you should NOT support Israel.

1) Holy Bible:

Revelations 3:9
(Sounds like modern day Israel if you consider historical facts)

I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.

bible.cc...

(I am not religious by the way)

2) Samson Option:

That does not need any explanation, if you support them due to this "option" then I must point out that your priorities may be a bit mixed up, just my humble opinion

The Sampson option and Israel's refusal to open their facilities to inspections makes them one of the most dangerous nations on earth and they deserve no support from the international community.

Gaza also has an extremist element, but they were made that way when they were put in the Gaza concentration camp.

It's alright to take sides, but please make sure you are capable of looking yourself in the mirror once your side has been chosen.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Well, CE, we agree on some things but we're polar opposite here. When you're dealing with a nation that will obliterate everything around it as a last means of survival? You don't push them to that ...or allow the circumstances to develop that DO push them to that...simply out of spite for the fact the whole situation exists in the first place.

Saying it shouldn't matter ... isn't a very warm thing to say over the wasteland of what used to be a populated region of the planet ..and wouldn't be after a true war against them in the modern age.

Now, that may not be such a concern but for the fact some of the groups opposing them, like Hamas, have right in their charter as I've posted before, the fact conquering wouldn't be where they stopped. Total and complete annihilation is the only suitable victory condition. So we have both sides in the true sense here that would be fighting in an absolute all or nothing position in general war this time around.

Only one side of the equation is viable to support to the end result of seeing that avoided. That's who the U.S. has been supporting since the Camp David Accords. Until recently...it had kept peace across the region all this time. The less certain the support looks? The less stable the whole region has become. Foreseeable consequence.

I doubt it reverses itself and what I think doesn't matter..... The White House no longer believes that either, so we'll see the ultimate truth of the concerns played out one way or the other soon enough I'm guessing. Hopefully, I'm wrong or the Israeli commanders won't have the heart to actually do it. Although, that hope isn't one I'd stake the region's future on, eh?

reply to post by shivaX

Now the whole world has been divided into two sides .One side supporting Palestine and the other side supporting Israel. This is because of both the Zionist and Jihadist trying to gain support for their own sides.

Ok, lets clear something up. Not every Palestinian is a Jihadist. You know this and we know this. So lets not play the game where you pretend Israel is defending itself from blood thirsty jew haters. Not all Israelis / Jews are Zionists either, and with that, not all "zionists" are neo-zionists.

Now see, you've got one country occupying another while telling us all it never existed to begin with, all the while, moving in more and more, building more and more illegal settlements, expelling more and more people.

Then you've got another country that is being occupied, fairly harshly at that.

One side is, in their eyes, fighting an unwanted occupational force that is, to them, committing genocide against them.
the other side, in their eyes, is fighting a force who occupied the land hundreds of years ago, pushing them out.

One side gets military aid from the major western nations
One side gets economic aid from a few of the western nations

BOTH sides are wrong, BOTH sides are committing horrible crimes, and until YOU, the ATS zionist mouthpieces, are willing to admit that crimes are being committed on both sides, we will never have a real discussion.

I support Israel's right to protect themselves.
I support the Palestinians right to not be shot to death in their beds at night

One side has an advanced military, an almost endless supply of money, and claims to have the most moral army in the world

The other side has AK47s and home made rockets.

Lets not pretend here friend, if the sandal was on the other foot, those zionists bombing random Arab civilians would be considered freedom fighters and you know it.

If you don't want to support either side, good for you, but your tax dollars are still going to Israel to wage war on Gaza while your entire country crumbles around you. Your countries support of ISrael in relation to Gaza has brought terror to your own soil. When it is time to re-evaluate the relationship?

I don't support terrorism for any reason or cause, but that still leaves me supporting both sides in their own way.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


No worries, we cannot always agree...

I agree that a nation that has threatened to obliberate as much as they can if threatened to a certain extent should not be pushed towards that point, but in my opinion it still is not a reason to support them.

Please do not feel that I am trying to put words in your mouth, but perhaps you could have said you fear them due to the Sampson option instead of support?

As for your religious opinion, I respect everyone's right to worship so I do not hold that against you. And forgive me for my assumption but I assume that you are familiar with scripture, if so, Revelations should be very important to you. I am not religious and even I consider this book to be rather important as it seems many of the tales it tells are unfolding right before our eyes which is why I highlighted verse 3:9.

I believe this verse accurately explains modern day Israel as most of the current Jewish inhabitants have no affilation with the tribes of Abraham which is another reason I mentioned this verse.

My interpretation of this verse could be incorrect but even a broken watch is right twice a day.

I believe that we all need to see the good and bad from both sides without having to choose which one we favor even though we all have our preconceived notions due to various things such as different upbringings and views on certain subjects including but not limited to politics and religion.

Once we can get past our bias, and yes we all have some whether we like to admit it or not, only then can we proceed to actually fix the problems in that region.

My only fear is that certain elements involved in the equation do not want a fix.

Cheers.

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Please do not feel that I am trying to put words in your mouth, but perhaps you could have said you fear them due to the Sampson option instead of support?

It may be coming to where I do feel more that way than the other. Israel has been given a wink and a nod by the world while it made it's nukes outside the NPT since the 70's. Okay.. That's been fair enough and safe enough, IMO. Why? Well, there has always been a balance in place and a rational one. Syria has been making their chemical weapons outside the chemical weapons treaty for about the same amount of time and with the same wink and nod by the world community. I don't know that I'd call it parity for true MAD, since Nukes trump slime every day on being impossible to protect against. It''s worked though. Syria WOULD insure Israel never lived to enjoy a victory if they started a war. Israel has stood to insure the reverse was true.

On the other side, Israel and Egypt have been getting OFFICIAL...not wink and nod... payments to maintain a balance and parity there as part of the Camp David Accords under Carter. So, again, balance has been the norm between the nation-states. It's worked...quite well until the Muslim Brotherhood deposed Mubarak.

Now? Well.. You make the point with what I quoted from your post in how it MAY really be turning without that balance we're seeing stomped and taken from Syria by force as Assad's days appear numbered no matter what he does. Echos of Libya.... Echos of many nations in recent times. One more brick in the wall. However, balance? Well... It is a new world we're entering and who knows how this all plays out now. It's 'unclear' to say the least, eh?

reply to post by JewAgainstZionism

Hi, I'm against both Jihad and Zionism. What are you against ?

I am a muslim ???

You may or may not be. Nobody cares.

You are a Pro Israeli SHill, who noticed that ATS doesn't like the taste of Zionists in the mouth,
So you are trying at the very least to place the blame equally among all parties.

Points to consider :-
How do you know what ATS'ers like? Have you conducted a poll? Or are you indirectly trying to suggest that ATS'ers support Jihad ??
Well let me tell you that ATS'ers may support Palestine(rightly so) on a majority basis but they DO NOT support Jihad. Lately there has been a anti-Islam rant going on. If you haven't noticed ask the moderators. They will tell you how difficult it is to control the amount of anti-Islam threads.
Zionism and Jihad are both dangerous and therefore I have listed them both here .But you didn't notice the 'anti-Zionist' part because you are pro-Jihad 'SHill'. If you were a rational observer you would have noticed it when I said that I am against both Zionism and Jihad . But you didn't because for you anything that does not support Jihad is against Jihad.

PS:-
I see that you've set aside this special time to show your support for Jihad in public.