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Originally posted by freebornman
reply to post by Thurisaz
I don't think the situation in India (or the rest of the world) is anything to do with repressed homosexuality, I think it is the slow motion train crash between traditional sexual conservatism and modern MSM commodification of sex as a recreational consumer product. A bit like the catholic church in times past selling 'indulgences', I'ts easy to sell a product that says "sure, you can have your cake, eat it, and post the pictures online, and suffer no guilt".
Good post, we now have 50 years or so of the 'sexual revolution' to examine, and as human beings, we need to be talking about this as to whether it was a good thing or a bad thing. Personally, I think the 'sexual revolution' has been an almost unmitigated disaster, but then thats just me being old-fashioned. S&F.
ty for your contribution.
The conflict between traditional and contemporary lifestyles.
There are traditional patterns of male behavior, but in SA some feel the economy has been too female-centric, and men feel left behind. So there is also increasing resentment between the genders.
Originally posted by halfoldman
reply to post by Thurisaz
What are "traditional" or "contemporary values" when it comes to men raping women?
Deuteronomy 22:28 (KJV) says that a man who "humbled" a virgin must pay 50 shekels of silver, and then he must marry her.
Is that "traditional values"?
Many conservative cults and societies still think so....
If anything it is "contemporary" values that demand justice for these victims today.
Clearly the male demographic has been ignored or alienated by the contemporary gender debates, and it is very likely that these young rapists blame their actions on "traditional values".
Not that men are the only defenders of sexist patriarchy.
In Africa many women are against modern clothing, and even encourage men to police non-conformist women.
The male conservatism from traditional quarters has been astounding.
In Swaziland they just banned women from wearing miniskirts (although the monarchy's maidens dance virtually naked before the king when he chooses a new wife every year).
www.rawstory.com...
So yes, this does have to do with "traditional" gender discourses, but unfortunately "tradition" has been slow to protect women, and it is regarded as a part of the problem, rather than the solution
Tradition itself is a difficult topic, because it always re-invents itself, and while it may present itself as static, it is really dynamic.
I'm very influenced by local thinking about South Africa here.
Originally posted by freebornman
reply to post by Thurisaz
I think most people would agree that most cultures historically have regarded rape as 'a bad thing'. Sometimes for different reasons, but almost always 'a bad thing'.
For thousands of years, cultures have grown regionally, with customs and traditions built up from the need for people to co-operate in order to survive and prosper, and these customs have held steady, or changed slowly over a long time to meet the changing needs of a population or environment. This situation has held for thousands of years, and it is only in recent times, since the advent of electronic communication, that children have had to grow up surrounded by this 'electro-smog' of covert and overt sexuality, and I don't think our various cultures have kept pace very well. I don't actually think TPTB intended us to, it seems to me that they WANT to destroy regional tradition and culture, and reduce us all to a homogenous amoral mass of consumer/slaves.
halfoldman makes a very good and relevant point when he says:-
There are traditional patterns of male behavior, but in SA some feel the economy has been too female-centric, and men feel left behind. So there is also increasing resentment between the genders.
This resentment has been fostered by feminism, another curse laid on the world by the financial elite. Where is masculinism? Men have been slowly stripped of their traditional roles, women have gained the right to work and pay income tax. And this is progress? There is no denying biology, men cannot have babies, (thank heavens), but the traditional role of providing for and protecting those babies is being eroded, and as a result both genders are suffering, and children are growing up in the resultant strife.
My answer? Stop denying nature, accept that yin is yin and yang is yang, each in the other, together making the harmonious whole.
Originally posted by DarknStormy
reply to post by Thurisaz
Our allies in Saudi Arabia are sending convicted criminals to Syria to rape Women, Children, Men and the elderly..
While we are outraged by what happened to that woman in India, the same thing is happening on a regular basis in Syria and that is for political gain. When the people we apparently look up to are prepared to sponsor these atrocities, what else should we expect in our societies? Its a fkn disgrace. The sad thing is, we sit back and allow it to happen or make up stupid theories to work out why its happening.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Why even bother to post anything in this stupid thread when what you have to say is going to get removed? Completely dumb. Espcially when it's a valid arguement. Good job ATS .
Originally posted by Pedro4077
So using this logic - gangs of angry lesbians would be raping men.
Originally posted by Thurisaz
my heart aches for the People in Syria and I feel sick from just reading what you have posted.
You can say my theory is stupid, that is fine, I just ask, why are these terrible things happening?
your example shows that rape is being used for political gain and it is sickening. Perhaps that is part of the rape cult mentality that another member posted info about earlier?
Originally posted by GodsDog
reply to post by InhaleExhale
I simply will not waste time trying to come up with a reason why. Having a reason doesn't make it any easier to swallow.
I should not have commented in the first place as I have a personal agenda with regard to this topic. It is impossible for me to be involved with this and maintain any rational thought process what-so-ever. With that said, I apologize if I offended and I'll remove myself from the topic.
Thank you,
Dog.