(MAD) Do you want to play Nuclear war in 2020 with...oh I dunno say China?

So what has got the U.S. Congress so spooked about China’s underground tunneling program? Karber’s conclusions read like Cormac McCarthy’s post-apocalyptic novel, “The Road.”

[QUOTE] Karber’s paper estimates in 2020-plus that China’s true nuclear arsenal, if used against the U.S. as a “counter-value attack,” would inflict 50 million direct casualties; plus-or-minus 50 percent would suffer radiation sickness ranging from debilitating to life-shortening; two-thirds of the 7,569 hospitals would be destroyed or inoperable and half the physicians would themselves be casualties. One-third of the electrical generation capacity and 40 percent of the national food producing agricultural land would be destroyed or exposed to significant residual radiation. 100 million Americans would face starvation within the first 10 years of the initial attack.

“Bottom line,” Karber’s report said, “200 million lost, and surviving Americans will be living in the dark, on a subsistence diet, with a life style and life expectancy equivalent to the Dark Ages.” [END QUOTE]

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When I was younger many thought the USSR and the USA would one day exchange nuclear weapons and basically destroy the world; TPTB figured out that Mutual Assured Destruction was exactly that, a no win situation for either side. Thank our lucky stars it never came to a Nuclear War..

Even if some rabid country is able to sneak a nuclear device via shipping container or across some border into the states the shear destruction and after effects will be problematic for generations.

New U.S. Law Seeks Answers On Chinese Nuke Tunnels
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TAIPEI — The U.S. military must consider both conventional and nuclear capabilities to “neutralize” China’s underground nuclear weapons storage facilities, according to a Pentagon authorization signed into law. [END QUOTE]
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The Dong Feng 5A ICBM which has a range of 13000+ km and can carry up to 3 H-bomb warheads capable of killing 7.5 million people in NYC in less than 10 seconds.

No doubt (in my military mind) that the USA with only it's Nuclear sub fleet could make China and Russia think twice about a preemptive attack.. Our Triad of Air assets, missiles, and subs make us a true super power; (Until we run out of money) however, if it ever comes to an all out war there will be no winners just the dead, dieing, and those who curse the day it ever happened.

P.S. Another possibility is a third party stands by and waits to see which country has some slight infrastructure and population left; then hits them with enough to close the lid on their very existence. Not nice.....

If we humans do not learn how to avoid war and major conflicts then I suppose the cockroaches will be the top predator on what is left of our little water world. What a waste...

I like/respect the Chinese people and if you go to different countries in S.E. Asia many of the businesses are owned by someone of Chinese decent. They are usually very smart, hard working people who love their families and want a chance at life just like us. Governments not so much.....

I have a stupid question after reading this from one of your links....

NDAA sections 1045, 1271 and 3119 all highlight U.S. congressional concerns over China’s nuclear and military modernization efforts. Bonnie Glaser, a China specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, doubts these sections of the NDAA will have major policy consequences for U.S.-China relations: “The intelligence community tracks China’s nuclear weapons closely — is a federally funded research and development center going to find a new threat?”

I agree entirely with the idea that the Pentagon and defense establishment are well focused on whatever it is they need to see about countering or eliminating in other nations ..in the unlikely event of war. I've heard rumors, always to highlight the absurd lengths of planning for anything possible of course, that plans exist in a drawer somewhere to invade England and sail right on up the Thames River. Wouldn't that be a sight for the British? ' We're baaack!

The question I'd have would be, why was a new law saying all this necessary? It changes nothing in real terms and I'm sure someone with stars didn't say to themselves "My Goodness! But for Congress telling us to, we'd never have thought of that!! We must thank them for the idea!". It DOES however make me wonder something. How does it feel in Beijing to pick up the morning paper and read about how interested the United States Congress is about finding ways to obliterate features of their own nation's infrastructure? I mean, this is a little provocative beyond what's even necessary, isn't it?

Don't let your fear play with your imagination.

War with China was a subtle plotline of the new Call of Duty game, one of the main characters said the Chinese have rare earth elements which other national superpowers want. The problem with a nuclear attack is that the aggressor would have a hard time covering up their tracks. Unless they could stage a false flag attack which has worked to build up national support for every war ever.

If we could learn just how bad nukes are we as a race of being would not want them, no have use for them , but we do we think they can keep us in check for using them on any, just to see how bad this would be here is a little linky i like to use now and then www.carloslabs.com... select weapon select city and nuke it

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I have a stupid question after reading this from one of your links....

NDAA sections 1045, 1271 and 3119 all highlight U.S. congressional concerns over China’s nuclear and military modernization efforts. Bonnie Glaser, a China specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, doubts these sections of the NDAA will have major policy consequences for U.S.-China relations: “The intelligence community tracks China’s nuclear weapons closely — is a federally funded research and development center going to find a new threat?”

I agree entirely with the idea that the Pentagon and defense establishment are well focused on whatever it is they need to see about countering or eliminating in other nations ..in the unlikely event of war. I've heard rumors, always to highlight the absurd lengths of planning for anything possible of course, that plans exist in a drawer somewhere to invade England and sail right on up the Thames River. Wouldn't that be a sight for the British? ' We're baaack!

The question I'd have would be, why was a new law saying all this necessary? It changes nothing in real terms and I'm sure someone with stars didn't say to themselves "My Goodness! But for Congress telling us to, we'd never have thought of that!! We must thank them for the idea!". It DOES however make me wonder something. How does it feel in Beijing to pick up the morning paper and read about how interested the United States Congress is about finding ways to obliterate features of their own nation's infrastructure? I mean, this is a little provocative beyond what's even necessary, isn't it?

hahaha a battle group up the Thames would make the funny papers no doubt.

I worked for NSA for almost two years. I came to realize the more paranoid and skits-o (schizophrenic) a person was the faster they moved up. A true paranoid can think of things some normal folk never even consider so the more skits-o the better. I sometimes think the Skits-oes have taken over the funny farm. Hang on!

USA is just getting annoying. The opportunity to attack China has been evaporated since 911.
Too bad that you lose your time finding your non-existent boogieman and they keep on tunneling to California.

How many times have you threatened to nuke them and how many times were they scared?

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Tunneling to California? lol... Now that I'd have to see. You're aware of the depths of the Pacific along any path you'd want to look at, right? That must have been meant as a comic side note. It just struck me as hilarious to imagine the Chinese in a little pressure chamber like the world has never seen before...digging away beneath the deepest areas on Earth. That would be like the culture which made the Great Wall though I suppose....even if it took a century...assuming it made sense.

In terms of 'missing the opportunity'? Well, War with China is much like the OP presents it and it has been for a long time, IMO. The Chinese have the will, MORE than enough people to lose the equivalent of our ENTIRE population and still outnumber us 3 to 1 and historic example that shows those folks just don't know what the word 'quit' means in a fight. Then the US has the technology, ingenuity and plain evil genius for finding horribly creative new ways to turn living people into dead ones.

Between the two of those sets of characteristics? I'd say off hand they'd do a dandy job of cancelling each other out in any REAL war where Washington and Beijing were both fighting for survival and with the intention of winning in the end. Our nations would both lose....and damn few human beings would be left alive to record the outcome, in my opinion.

Glad you got the joke. Has to star you for that.

I said of lost opportunity because they carry on mordenising and USA just stumbled and there seem to be no end of USA misadventures yet and there are no more money to pay for anymore wars. Imagine, even the Chinese defense budget is paid for by the USA..