Hackers leak video of Steubenville, Ohio Rape case.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

As I'm off to bed, I'd just like to remind you that you didn't answer the question I asked you earlier.
If I approached you while in uniform and told you I witnessed a rape, what would you do?
I'm sure you'd ask me a bunch of questions regarding when and where it happened, but would you take a report or would you direct me to someone else?

I'll check back tomorrow for your answer.

i did answer it.. It can be found in my post here at the bottom. I singled out the question and quoted it to you and answered it.

Good night and I look forward to sparring with you tomrrowish,

reply to post by Afterthought


Not quite sure of that, but remember -
She was known in Stuebenville and had supposed friends there.
From her I.D in her purse or from info on her cell phone..?

Also - I would like to clarify both Lawyers statements regarding the text message;
"I know you didn't rape me".

Defendants lawyer states the victim sent a message to one of the accused
stating - "I know you didn't rape me."

The victim's lawyer states that the victim had lost her cell phone and it is
possible someone else sent the message to cover up said rape.

reply to post by Xcathdra


So go ahead - enlighten me! You know the one you think doesn't have a badge.

A complaint is presented to a prosecuting attorney. The investigation reveals that her son might be involved. She recuses herself a on August 29, 2011 on a case she has been aware of since August 14, 2011 - two weeks after she is aware she is in conflict of interest and only after she has granted immunity to witnesses.

I looked at the conflict of interest guidelines - I saw NOTHING that allowed a prosecutor to work the case for two weeks BEFORE reporting a conflict of interest and recusing themselves. Perhaps you know better than me

Explain please - oh exalted one - how is she NOT in conflict of interest?

Further from the Steubanville Facts web site

-Crimes allegedly committed within the City of Steubenville fall within the jurisdiction of Steubenville Police. Crimes allegedly committed outside of the City but within Jefferson County fall within the jurisdiction of the County Sheriff. Because the information about alleged criminal activities in this case was first reported to city officials, the Steubenville Police Department investigated the case with the assistance of the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation.

-Under Ohio law, the Ohio Attorney General is elected by the voters of the state and does not have the independent jurisdiction or ability to undertake investigations or prosecutions of juvenile crime. In this case, the Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney who has such authority delegated her authority to the Attorney General’s office to act as special prosecutor in the matter. The special prosecutors are not from the Steubenville area and graduated high school elsewhere.

The rapes occurred over a series of sites within both the City of Steubanville AND at least one in Jefferson County. It was the Steubanville police who first investigated the complaint. They are the ones who failed to preserve the evidence (rape kit/toxicology) and who deleted electronic evidence.

Jane Hanlin is a Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney!


Tired of Control Freaks.

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

So go ahead - enlighten me! You know the one you think doesn't have a badge.

A complaint is presented to a prosecuting attorney. The investigation reveals that her son might be involved. She recuses herself a on August 29, 2011 on a case she has been aware of since August 14, 2011 - two weeks after she is aware she is in conflict of interest and only after she has granted immunity to witnesses.

I looked at the conflict of interest guidelines - I saw NOTHING that allowed a prosecutor to work the case for two weeks BEFORE reporting a conflict of interest and recusing themselves. Perhaps you know better than me

Explain please - oh exalted one - how is she NOT in conflict of interest?

Further from the Steubanville Facts web site

-Crimes allegedly committed within the City of Steubenville fall within the jurisdiction of Steubenville Police. Crimes allegedly committed outside of the City but within Jefferson County fall within the jurisdiction of the County Sheriff. Because the information about alleged criminal activities in this case was first reported to city officials, the Steubenville Police Department investigated the case with the assistance of the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification and Investigation.

-Under Ohio law, the Ohio Attorney General is elected by the voters of the state and does not have the independent jurisdiction or ability to undertake investigations or prosecutions of juvenile crime. In this case, the Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney who has such authority delegated her authority to the Attorney General’s office to act as special prosecutor in the matter. The special prosecutors are not from the Steubenville area and graduated high school elsewhere.

The rapes occurred over a series of sites within both the City of Steubanville AND at least one in Jefferson County. It was the Steubanville police who first investigated the complaint. They are the ones who failed to preserve the evidence (rape kit/toxicology) and who deleted electronic evidence.

Jane Hanlin is a Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney!


Tired of Control Freaks.

Don't worry, I am sure there will be a perfectly logical explanation as to why she worked a case her son was involved in for 2 weeks before removing herself from the case

What I am wondering is if I can apply for citizenship where this magical land is that corruption simply does not exist......

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

So go ahead - enlighten me! You know the one you think doesn't have a badge.

A complaint is presented to a prosecuting attorney. The investigation reveals that her son might be involved. She recuses herself a on August 29, 2011 on a case she has been aware of since August 14, 2011 - two weeks after she is aware she is in conflict of interest and only after she has granted immunity to witnesses.

I looked at the conflict of interest guidelines - I saw NOTHING that allowed a prosecutor to work the case for two weeks BEFORE reporting a conflict of interest and recusing themselves. Perhaps you know better than me

Explain please - oh exalted one - how is she NOT in conflict of interest?

Prosecutor Responds to Alleged Involvement in Rape Case

Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin issued a statement Saturday night regarding her involvement in the investigation into an alleged August rape incident involving a 16-year-old Weirton female and two Steubenville High School students.

"My ethical duties as a prosecutor prohibit me from discussing the details of the case involving allegations of rape against two local juveniles until the matter has been resolved in court, Once the court proceedings have been concluded, I will be able to answer any questions the public may have and I have promised to do so," said Hanlin.

"All allegations that me or my son or my home are involved in any way whatsoever in this criminal matter are 100 percent false. None of the alleged events occurred at my home. My son was not present at any time while the victim was alleged to have been unconscious, photographed, videotaped or sexually assaulted. Any statement to the contrary is 100 percent false," Hanlin stated.

What person was granted immunity?
Ohio AG: 'No deals' in Steubenville rape case; Investigation nears end

JEFFERSON COUNTY, Ohio —


Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine said Thursday that his office had not granted immunity to anyone in exchange for testimony in a rape case in which two Steubenville High School student-athletes have been charged.

"I was asked several times about this," DeWine told NEWS9 in a telephone interview. "We have offered nothing, made no promises to any witness in this case. That's been consistent throughout. No deals have been cut with anybody."

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
Further from the Steubanville Facts web site
-Crimes allegedly committed within the City of Steubenville fall within the jurisdiction of Steubenville Police. Crimes allegedly committed outside of the City but within Jefferson County fall within the jurisdiction of the County Sheriff. Because .....snipped for room

We have already discussed jursdiction....

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
The rapes occurred over a series of sites within both the City of Steubanville AND at least one in Jefferson County. It was the Steubanville police who first investigated the complaint. They are the ones who failed to preserve the evidence (rape kit/toxicology) and who deleted electronic evidence.

Since when can they order a person to who is not charged to undergo a rape kit exam or toxicology?

Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
Jane Hanlin is a Jefferson County Prosecuting Attorney!


Tired of Control Freaks.

and recused herself not because of her son but the people involved were known to her.

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Don't worry, I am sure there will be a perfectly logical explanation as to why she worked a case her son was involved in for 2 weeks before removing herself from the case

What I am wondering is if I can apply for citizenship where this magical land is that corruption simply does not exist......

Her son was not involved and no one was granted immunity -


Ohio AG: 'No deals' in Steubenville rape case; Investigation nears end

Prosecutor Responds to Alleged Involvement in Rape Case

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Darkphoenix77
Don't worry, I am sure there will be a perfectly logical explanation as to why she worked a case her son was involved in for 2 weeks before removing herself from the case

What I am wondering is if I can apply for citizenship where this magical land is that corruption simply does not exist......

Her son was not involved and no one was granted immunity -


Ohio AG: 'No deals' in Steubenville rape case; Investigation nears end

Prosecutor Responds to Alleged Involvement in Rape Case

Her son is a member of the football team and the self named 'Rape Crew' so either directly or indirectly through association he is involved even if he did not participate.

the parents have clearly covered up for their kids actions and the video must be shown in court. parents must be charged along with the kids for obstruction of justice. that kid was laughing like a psycho after what he did repeatedly. he should go to prison then directly to psychiatric hospital to spend the rest of his sentence. I mean can you imagine having girls going to the same class that sociopath goes to?

reply to post by Xcathdra


That is correct - the attorney generals office DID NOT grant immunity to any witness during their investigation. I never said they did!

The Jefferson County Prosecutor Jane Hanlin granted immunity to three witness during the two week time period BEFORE she declared herself in conflict of interest and recused herself.

radionewz.net...

Walter Madison, defense attorney for one of the 16-year-old defendants, asserted Wednesday that the state agreed not to charge the witnesses in exchange for their cooperation with the prosecution of the defendants. “There was immunity given,” Madison declared. “They were granted immunity in exchange for their cooperation.” The attorney also alluded to a deal during his cross examination of one of the witnesses in October, saying that the boy had “cut a deal.” Adam Nemann represents the other defendant, who in addition to rape was charged with illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material for allegedly taking a picture of the naked girl. Nemann could not be reached for comment Wednesday, but he has echoed Madison’s claim about an agreement between the witnesses and the prosecution.

Tired of Control Freaks

Trying to understand the psychology of those in the video, I found this fascinating report about witnesses of rapes and why they decide not to report or intervene.
kellygallagher.org...

Levine, who first brought to the public's attention the problems with the Genovese case accounts,
says that group dynamics do influence our actions, but not exactly the way we think. His own research has
shown that being with others doesn't always — or even typically — reduce altruistic behavior. However,
the type of group we're in and the relationships we have with its members, and with outsiders, do tend to
influence how likely or unlikely we may be to help.

When the actions of a group are public and visible, insiders who behave in an unacceptable way —
doing things that "contravene the norms of the group," Levine says — may actually be punished by the
group more harshly than an outsider would be for the same behavior. "It's seen as a threat to the reputation
of the group," says Levine.

In contrast, when the workings of a group are secretive and hidden — like those of a major college football team, for instance, or a political party or the Catholic priesthood — the tendency is toward
protecting the group's reputation by covering up. Levine suggests that greater transparency in organizations
promotes better behavior in these situations.
"It's the norms and the values of the group that are important," Levine says

(Emphasis mine)
Maybe this is why the Prosecutor is unable to see that her son and his football buddies are a menace to society:

But many parents refuse to believe their own children's claims of such abuse or minimize their
seriousness — even when the abuse is officially documented — because it would be psychologically too
painful for them to believe that their choice to send their children to the program caused harm.

Understanding the psychology of these situations can help increase the chances that bystanders will
step up when people need assistance, but it does not excuse the failures of those who do nothing.
Reflection ideas:
Should bystanders be held accountable for the crimes they witness?

reply to post by TiredofControlFreaks


In the words of Jane Hanlin,

"My son was not present at any time while the victim was alleged to have been unconscious, photographed, videotaped or sexually assaulted. Any statement to the contrary is 100 percent false," Hanlin stated."

But her son was known to have been there at some point in the evening. Was he there when she was allegedly drugged? Was he there when she was on her feet, stumbling and mumbling incoherently? was he present when others discussed the alleged sexual assault?

Lawyers do have a particular way of answering the exact questions don't they?

And Jane Hanlin is involved with another member of the Red Roll Football team. Another player lists her home address and his home address.

And Jan Hanlin admits to having a personal relationship with many of the Red Roll Football team

Indisputably, Jane Hanlin admits and knows she is in conflict of interest and still takes two weeks to recuse herself.

Sorry - in no way can this be described as a "by the book" investigation.!

Further as to the Sheriff of Jefferson County - while he has no jurisdiction to investigate incidents that occurred in the City of Steubanville, part of the nights festivities includes a site in Jefferson county. He most certainly has jurisdiction to investigate what happened at that site.

Ultimately, it was decided that the Steubanville PD would take the lead on the case but the good Sheriff did assist. Now there is nothing nefarious in this decision. I mention it merely because it is part of the established facts of the case.

The alleged victim lives in West Virgina. Her girlfriend, a girl I will call only Melissa and Melissa's boyfriend, a boy I will identify only as Mark, invited the girl to Melissa's home for a party. Mark is a member of the Red Roll Foot ball team. It is alleged that the invitation was an opportunity to meet with one of the accused, Trenton Mays, who the emails show had been trying to meet up with the victim for weeks because he reportedly liked her. The proof of this is in the emails that have already been published in the msm.

Did Melissa, Mark and Trenton conspire to lure the victim to a place where she could be drugged and rendered unable to defend herself from sexual assault. This is where the kidnapping charge, that was later dropped, comes in.

It is Melissa and Mark, who are alleged to have received immunity. Now I am not questioning the granting of immunity here. Obviously, if there was a conspiracy, then only the participants of the conspiracy are in a position to provide information and it may have been the only way to get the information.

However, Jane Hanlin knew that she was in conflict and participated in the process anyway! Hardly in keeping with Ohio State conflict of interest guidelines for prosecutors that I previously posted.

Tired of Control Freaks

XCath's answer to my question was wrong.
If I approached him stating that I witnessed a rape, it's HIS responsibility to take the report and get it to the proper authorities. This is done so there is a record of the first authoritative person involved in the case. This is important because the officer is now considered a first responder and may be asked to testify in court. It is the officer's responsibility to make sure the witness's testimony gets to the proper authorities. The officer is NOT supposed to direct the reporting witness to someone else ever.
www.cps.gov.uk...

7.It is important that we have all the available information that could help us to apply for special measures for a witness. Normally, the police or the Witness Care Officer will pass the information to us. Sometimes we may get the information by meeting the witness directly.

Again, it is the responsibility of the police officer to get the witness' report to the Prosecutor who then arranges a meeting with the witness.

11.Further information about meetings with the CPS for vulnerable or intimidated witnesses is contained in the leaflet: "Witnesses, Your Meeting with the CPS Prosecutor". This leaflet from our website:

From the leaflet:
www.cps.gov.uk...

As well as you, some other people will be at the meeting. Other people who may be at the meeting are:
a relative, carer or supporter who you would like to go with you;
a person who you may need to help you communicate at the meeting, for example, a sign language interpreter;
The CPS lawyer and CPS caseworker who are responsible for your case;
the lawyer who will present the prosecution case in court (this may be a CPS lawyer or a prosecution barrister); and
the police officer in the case.

If you witness a rape or other crime and the officer you attempt to report it to directs you to someone else without taking a report, get his name and report him for not following set procedures.

(I just realized this is a UK website, but alas, it sounds like how the US officials would handle it also. I'll keep checking for a US source to quote.)

Excerpts from a detailed article:
www.cleveland.com...

"Nobody had to accuse these kids of anything," Gossett said. "They went to social media and told the world what they did, incriminating themselves."

"This doesn’t just happen in Steubenville," she said. "It happens all across Ohio every day. The message to students needs to be, ‘When you see something, do something. When you hear something, say something.’

The 16-year-old victim even re-Tweeted another student’s comment directly to one of the boys accused of in the attack that said, "If someone is dangerously inebriated you help them out not take advantage of them. Who the f - - - raised these people."

Postscript: Steubenville beat Benedictine 32-28 in Friday night’s game. The several players believed to be linked to the incident played in the game.

reply to post by Xcathdra
I'm not sure if your just wanting to take over the thread or you just want to argue with everyone that has an opinion and thats what I was expressing,MY OPINION

I'm actually not disagreeing with you I understand that the way the law operates and sometimes is far different from pubic opinion or vigilante justice.I want the law to work for this girl and the boys that commited the rape.
I not out for blood I just believe there are more than two boys involved in this rape,teens rarely do things in two's more than likely it's a group of teenagers involved in this incident.
It's also MY OPINION that the two boys should be charged as adults,clearly they haven't and why they haven't is what bothers me,as well as who else was involved.we are also trying to figure out what role Ms. Hanlin played in this,she did more than turn it over to the sa or ag ...corruption doesn't play by the book.

Again it's MY OPINION that there is corruption going on in Stubenville,I've lived in small towns across the country
enough to know that people in high positions will cover for their neighbor and if you can't believe that I'm not going to try to change your mind,and your not going to change mine.

Your sense of superiority speaks loud and clear in your post,why not help us instead of throwing the law books at us?

Everybody is so hung up on nitpicking the law. What the heck ever happened to being morally concerned? The undying quest for truth? And the desire to protect our children? If the laws don't address these issues, clearly the laws must be redesigned.

reply to post by jasonl1983


I agree that the laws need to be understood as well as made more specific in order to charge all guilty parties.
I posted this article, but it was quickly buried, so here it is again to prove that there are those officials who are getting pretty ticked off that witnesses of rapes aren't being punished for their lack of actions.
latimesblogs.latimes.com...

A California lawmaker is trying to make it a crime for witnesses not to report homicides, rapes and other violent attacks.

The legislation, sponsored by Assemblyman Pedro Nava (D-Santa Barbara), was prompted by the gang rape of a 16-year-old Richmond High School student who was attacked for about two hours while at least a dozen witnesses failed to call police. (Richmond police initially said the girl was 15.)

"It is a horrible, horrible indictment on the state of affairs when a 16-year-old blameless girl can be viciously assaulted and anywhere from 10 to 14 witnesses don't do anything about it," Nava said in an interview. "That is shameful."

We know that it's a crime to not report a crime in a timely manner, but those who witness a rape and don't report it, should be punished more severely. It's as though they're able to trick their brains into believing they're simply seeing a live porno shoot, but aren't able to see the cameras. Watching a rape happen should not be considered a form of entertainment.

Another blogger is researching on this subject. Blog includes more background info
and screenshots that l have not seen before.
mind fuller.tumblr.com

Sorry, I always read ATS and just joined and have this new
Tablet thingy that I got for Christmas and I have no mouse!
I don't know how to copy and paste yet.
And what the heck is a tumblr?
Isn't it the same as a bloody blog?
Gawd, I am so old...
This little paragraph only took me 30 min...
Whew..
Hi there:-)

Well it seems this wasn't their first rodeo,as I said in an earlier post,they were far too comfortable talking about it in the video.I'm not shocked though..I found this on dailymail for some reason I can't get the link to embed

Shocking images have been found on a cellphone showing two more girls, facedown and partially naked on the floor of the same basement where the Ohio rape of a 16-year-old girl allegedly took place, it can be revealed today.

Undated photographs were stored on cellphone belonging to friend of the Steubenville case accused Ma’lik Richmond and Trent Mays

Raises chilling possibility of two more, as yet unknown, victims

reply to post by Afterthought


Since the police have no legal obligation to respond to anyone's call for help, it's understandable that people aren't always reporting crimes. I have personally reported crimes to the police and had them ignored, or was plainly told they were not interested.

reply to post by YapTalk


Not to rain on your parade, but you might want to do a little research on the lineage of all those involved before declaring; "White privilege at it's finest".

Just sayin......

Nice post except for the mis-aimed blurb.

I think the fact that a young black man was telling the people who were laughing about the girls rape that "That ain't funny", and "That ain't cool man", and also saying that they should "go help that girl", should be noted.
That young man has my respect, he stood up to the laughing dolts who thought the rape was funny.


No, really, it was a good post, but I think we should either let all racist sentiment have a pass, or none.

BTW, As a father I agree with your statement about the girls relatives going full goose vigilante on the perps.