Simple Question: Will You Bow Before Adam?

I have a simple question. Will you bow before the Son of God (Adam)?

I don't normally quote the Qur'an, yet interesting information can be found everywhere you look.

And We have given you (mankind) power in the earth, and appointed for you therein livelihoods. Little give ye thanks!
And We created you, then fashioned you, then told the angels: Fall ye prostrate before Adam! And they fell prostrate, all save Iblis (Satan), who was not of those who make prostration.

He said: What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee ? (Iblis) said: I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
He said: Then go down hence! It is not for thee to show pride here, so go forth! Lo! thou art of those degraded.

– Qur'an 7:10-13

Do we have further evidence that Satan refused to bow to Adam? Remember, Satan was an Angel.

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
– Revelation 12:1-9 (KJV)

Who are his angels?

Book of Enoch

6.7 And these are the names of their leaders:
Semyaza, who was their leader, Urakiba, Ramiel, Kokabiel, Tamiel,
Ramiel, Daniel, Ezeqiel, Baraqiel, Asael, Armaros, Ananel, Zaqiel,
Samsiel, Satael, Turiel, Yomiel, Araziel.

6.8 These are the leaders of the two hundred Angels and of all the others
with them.

7.1 And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself
one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with
them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the
cutting of roots and trees.

From the Haggada:

The extraordinary qualities with which Adam was blessed, physical and spiritual as well, aroused the envy of the angels. They attempted to consume him with fire, and he would have perished, had not the protecting hand of God rested upon him, and established peace between him and the heavenly host. In particular, Satan was jealous of the first man, and his evil thoughts finally led to his fall. After Adam had been endowed with a soul, God invited all the angels to come and pay him reverence and homage. Satan, the greatest of the angels in heaven, with twelve wings, instead of six like all the others, refused to pay heed to the behest of God, saying, "Thou didst create us angels from the splendor of the Shekinah, and now Thou dost command us to cast ourselves down before the creature which Thou didst fashion out of the dust of the ground!" God answered, "Yet this dust of the ground has more wisdom and understanding than thou." Satan demanded a trial of wit with Adam, and God assented thereto, saying: "I have created beasts, birds, and reptiles, I shall have them all come before thee and before Adam. If thou art able to give them names, I shall command Adam to show honor unto thee, and thou shalt rest next to the Shekinah of My glory. But if not, and Adam calls them by the names I have assigned to them, then thou wilt be subject to Adam, and he shall have a place in My garden, and cultivate it." Thus spake God, and He betook Himself to Paradise, Satan following Him. When Adam beheld God, he said to his wife, "O come, let us worship and bow down; let us kneel before the Lord our Maker." Now Satan attempted to assign names to the animals. He failed with the first two that presented themselves, the ox and the cow. God led two others before him, the camel and the donkey, with the same result. Then God turned to Adam, and questioned him regarding the names of the same animals, framing His questions in such wise that the first letter of the first word was the same as the first letter of the name of the animal standing before him. Thus Adam divined the proper name, and Satan was forced to acknowledge the superiority of the first man. Nevertheless he broke out in wild outcries that reached the heavens, and he refused to do homage unto Adam as he had been bidden. The host of angels led by him did likewise, in spite of the urgent representations of Michael, who was the first to prostrate himself before Adam in order to show a good example to the other angels. Michael addressed Satan: "Give adoration to the image of God! But if thou doest it not, then the Lord God will break out in wrath against thee." Satan replied: "If He breaks out in wrath against me, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, I will be like the Most High!" At once God flung Satan and his host out of heaven, down to the earth, and from that moment dates the enmity between Satan and man.'
– Haggada

At this point, we need to ask a question. Why did God allow Satan to deceive mankind into bowing to Him in the Garden? Why did we bow to the fallen Angles? Why are we still bowing? Consider this thread and the quote below: Eyes Wide Open

A Text Belonging to the Instructor

A text belonging to the Instructor, who is to enlighten and teach all the Sons of Light about the character and fate of humankind: all their spiritual varieties with accompanying signs, all their deeds generation by generation, and their visitation for afflictions together with eras of peace.

All that is now and ever shall be originates with the God of knowledge. Before things come to be, He has ordered all their designs, so that when they do come to exist—at their appointed times as ordained by His glorious plan—they fulfill their destiny, a destiny impossible to change. He controls the laws governing all things, and He provides for all their pursuits.

He created humankind to rule over the world, appointing for them two spirits in which to walk until the time ordained for His visitation. There are the spirits of truth and falsehood. Upright character and fate originate with the Habitation of Light; perverse, with the Fountain of Darkness. The authority of the Prince of Light extends to the governance of all righteous people; therefore, they walk in the paths of light. Correspondingly, the authority of the Angel of Darkness embraces the governance of all wicked people, so they walk in the paths of darkness.

The authority of the Angel of Darkness further extends to the corruption of all the righteous. All their sins, iniquities, shameful and rebellious deeds are at his prompting, a situation God in His mysteries allows to continue until His era dawns. Moreover, all the afflictions of the righteous, and every trial in its season, occur because of this Angel’s diabolic rule. All the spirits allied with him share but a single resolve: to cause the Sons of Light to stumble.

Yet the God of Israel (and the Angel of His Truth) assist all the Sons of Light. It is actually He who created the spirits of Light and darkness, making them cornerstone of every deed, their impulses and premise of every action. God’s love for on spirit lasts forever. He will be pleased with its actions for always. The counsel of the other, however, He abhors, hating its every impulse for all time.

Read the whole document linked above. It's well worth your time.

Why Should You Bow to the Savior?

Remember, it's not about you, but what has been done for you. If you prefer to bow to the one that is doing to you, you are answering the question incorrectly.

Philippians 2

5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature[a] God,
did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
by becoming obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

I will bow before the Son of God and not Satan. How? By taking the name. The name of Christ is the character of Christ. Will I still sin? Yes. Can I overcome sin by myself? No. I must die to my sin daily and seek the one I bow before. Only Christ is worthy to walk the Sheep through the wilderness.

What is promised? The Shepherd pulls the wool over our eyes. He sheers the sin from us. He then washes it white as snow and gives it back as a new robe (Body). God is great. Who are we? Children of God in an image. When you look in a mirror, you know that you are not the image in the mirror. You are the one casting it. Where are you now child of God?

Matthew 18

10 “See that you do not despise one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.

The veil over the temple is the material world. You are beyond the veil. Bow and find your salvation from the place of custody and law.

Galatians 3 (Are you in Prison and Custody?)

Children of God

23 Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You believe all this because you read it in a book? I'm sorry to jump in, but I really feel that ATS is a scientific community-and your kind refuses science just as we refuse your book-but we aren't trying to get on religious sites and talk about science-you are only creating another war (like all religions do). Yet our proof is in the pudding (literally). You would at least have more supporters in your case to develop better debates.

People here are going to tell you the truth: you believe in a story, and base your life around it because you can't handle the fact that you are no better a person than the animals around you.

Nope. But Adam can fetch me an Apple!

Double post.

Simple answer: No. If it turns out he was real, flesh and all, and I meet, him, I will shake his hand. That's all.

I don't even bow to real people.

Originally posted by samlf3rd
You believe all this because you read it in a book? I'm sorry to jump in, but I really feel that ATS is a scientific community-and your kind refuses science just as we refuse your book-but we aren't trying to get on religious sites and talk about science-you are only creating another war (like all religions do). Yet our proof is in the pudding (literally). You would at least have more supporters in your case to develop better debates.

People here are going to tell you the truth: you believe in a story, and base your life around it because you can't handle the fact that you are no better a person than the animals around you.

There's a lot of them here actually, not all this bad, but there's a few.

I guarantee it, "that every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus is Lord" whether people deny it now or not, mock it, argue about it, laugh or what ever. That time will come.

reply to post by EnochWasRight

Why did God allow Satan to deceive mankind into bowing to Him in the Garden? Why did we bow to the fallen Angles? Why are we still bowing?

When God created man, he instructed his angels to bow before his new creation. Satan, being created from fire, was full of pride and refused to bow before something made from earth. It was for this act of rebellion that God expelled Satan from heaven. Satan said he will deceive humans and lead them astray. God replied saying He would fill hell with all those who follow satan.

So God did not allow Satan to deceive mankind. Satan threatened to deceive mankind and God declared what He would do to humans who follow him.

There is also a very interesting back story to all of this.

The Jinn are ruled by the one true God who created them more than 25,000 years ago . The Jinn were created from the “searing desert wind” – called Simoon – and are subject to the same universal laws of Islam that mankind must adhere to; the Jinn are also sent prophets bearing God’s message . However, 25,000 years ago the Jinn began to disobey God because they believed themselves to be self-righteous. For that reason, God sent his Angels to destroy them.

It was during this battle that Iblis was recognized from amongst the Jinn by God as “a worthy pupil.” Iblis was brought to heaven by God where he was instructed by the Angels, and, in turn, as he matured Iblis began preaching to the Angels. But, when God created Adam, Iblis refused to pay homage; and, therefore, God condemned Iblis to hell; however, God also granted Iblis “a stay of execution” until the final day of judgement.

source

Satan was actually a djinn who was allowed to live with angels.... but his pride became his downfall.

Originally posted by Veritas1
I guarantee it, "that every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus is Lord" whether people deny it now or not, mock it, argue about it, laugh or what ever. That time will come.

Yes, all will come to this in the end.

reply to post by Veritas1


Why? Why will that happen?

You have provided great information to this thread. How do we know that Jesus was not a fallen angel tricking mankind? Another question: How do we know Muhammad was or was not tricked by an Angel? Another good question: How do we know Joseph Smith was or was not tricked by an Angel?

Of the three I list, which of the three says to love your enemies, do good to those who persecute you and bow to the Son of God (Adam)?

We know the answer by knowing the one that says to bow to the Son of God. Additionally, we know them by their fruit. One steals, kills and destroys. The other Honors, Defends and Protects those who love. The third denies One God and other essential doctrines. God is one and there can only be one true gospel. If it's not centered on love, it is not taking the name of the Son. Instead, it takes the name in vain. Taking the name apart from the character is a vain undertaking. The path is narrow.

Galatians 1:8

But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned!

You provide good evidence for who Muhammad was listening to in the form of an angel.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by EnochWasRight

 

Why did God allow Satan to deceive mankind into bowing to Him in the Garden? Why did we bow to the fallen Angles? Why are we still bowing?

When God created man, he instructed his angels to bow before his new creation. Satan, being created from fire, was full of pride and refused to bow before something made from earth. It was for this act of rebellion that God expelled Satan from heaven. Satan said he will deceive humans and lead them astray. God replied saying He would fill hell with all those who follow satan.

So God did not allow Satan to deceive mankind. Satan threatened to deceive mankind and God declared what He would do to humans who follow him.

There is also a very interesting back story to all of this.

The Jinn are ruled by the one true God who created them more than 25,000 years ago . The Jinn were created from the “searing desert wind” – called Simoon – and are subject to the same universal laws of Islam that mankind must adhere to; the Jinn are also sent prophets bearing God’s message . However, 25,000 years ago the Jinn began to disobey God because they believed themselves to be self-righteous. For that reason, God sent his Angels to destroy them.

It was during this battle that Iblis was recognized from amongst the Jinn by God as “a worthy pupil.” Iblis was brought to heaven by God where he was instructed by the Angels, and, in turn, as he matured Iblis began preaching to the Angels. But, when God created Adam, Iblis refused to pay homage; and, therefore, God condemned Iblis to hell; however, God also granted Iblis “a stay of execution” until the final day of judgement.

source

Satan was actually a djinn who was allowed to live with angels.... but his pride became his downfall.

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Originally posted by samlf3rd
You believe all this because you read it in a book? I'm sorry to jump in, but I really feel that ATS is a scientific community-and your kind refuses science just as we refuse your book-but we aren't trying to get on religious sites and talk about science-you are only creating another war (like all religions do). Yet our proof is in the pudding (literally). You would at least have more supporters in your case to develop better debates.

People here are going to tell you the truth: you believe in a story, and base your life around it because you can't handle the fact that you are no better a person than the animals around you.

I suppose you have not read my threads and posts on the connections between Word (information) and the hologram (God's Image) we live in. Read John 1 and read Genesis 1:27. Consult the link in my signature for many articles on these topics. Science is my friend.

As for reading in a book, if prophecy were not in THE book, I would not consider reading it or paying attention. Since the future is drawn into the past for us to see, I pay attention. But why and how?

Collapsing wave function is how the mind makes a choice from indeterminate to determinate. We collapse the wave of indeterminate probability to make a determined outcome within the image and states of matter. All of our reality is made of Time, Space, Matter and Energy. We collapse the wave a slice at a TIME. By slice, I mean bread. Time/Space are one and within the realm of light quanta.

Where do we find the wave of creation in the Bible?

1 Colossians 1:
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

The Son of God is the Wave of particle and light duality. Particle, Wave and Consciousness make up the human person. You are matter, both particle and wave, and you are consciousness. Science does not believe that the wave has consciousness (Spirit). Not believing in God is blasphemy. Why? Light is a trinity, not a duality.

If the Son of God is the Wave, we have two parts of the trinity present in our understanding.

Father
Son (Wave / Word)
Holy Spirit (Consciousness)

Since we are made in the image of God in light, we can now answer the biggest question of all. What is wave?

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness to testify concerning that light, so that through him all might believe. 8 He himself was not the light; he came only as a witness to the light.

9 The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Simple enough. God answers it for us. Word is information. God made the universe from his Son in the Godhead in an image.

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

What form does the image take?

Genesis 1:1-3
In the Beginning (Time), God created the heavens (Space) and the earth (Matter). Let there be light (Energy).

But wait, there's more!

Hebrews 11

3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

YES! Quantum Mechanics and the Microcosm.

I would be glad to speak science with you. Feel free to throw and theory out and I'll show you where to find it in the Bible.

Back to the OP. Why should we bow before the Son of God? Because we are INSIDE His image. We don't get back to the Father unless we cling to the heel. Where is the heal of a loaf of bread? At the beginning and end. What about Adam?

1 Corinthians 15:47

So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.

What is the loaf?

1 Corinthians 10

And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? 17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.

The heel crushes the head of Satan. This is one of the first prophecies in the Bible.

Genesis 3

“Cursed are you above all livestock
and all wild animals!
You will crawl on your belly
and you will eat dust
all the days of your life.
15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring[a] and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.”

Don't forget why you are entangled with sin:

Matthew 18:18
"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

Christ can was that away. Information can be saved, lost or changed. He has the power.

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Originally posted by Veritas1
I guarantee it, "that every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess, that Jesus is Lord" whether people deny it now or not, mock it, argue about it, laugh or what ever. That time will come.

Amen brother. I bow now.

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
I have a simple question. Will you bow before the Son of God (Adam)?

Not a chance, any more than I would read the entire post.

Santa Claus, on the other hand, is a different story. I happen to know for a FACT that Santa uses small BIRDS to spy on people to see if they were naughty or nice the same way the NSA spies on these threads. The birds are like AUVs with a DIRECT line to Santa's HQ at the NP, and if you screw up, it's black coal for you, bucky!

Defy Santa at your peril.

Originally posted by winofiend
Nope. But Adam can fetch me an Apple!

What is the fruit of knowledge? It is the thing that is produced by that knowledge. Like a seed, it can be placed in good soil, yet it takes the story to bring the rain. Rain brings the harvest after the sun evaporates the dew a few times. Dew represents the droplets of water that descend to the earth to water the seed. When they rise, the water is distilled; purified; cleansed.

Carbon has 6 protons, 6 electrons and 6 neutrons. It is the mark of mankind and the mark of our technology (Fruit).

Revelation 13

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e-or of mankind] That number is 666.

Was there ever a beast sacrificed in a temple? Water washed the altar after the fire. Water also puts out fire.

Is there a commerce system built on Carbon? Petrol Dollar anyone?

Dew is a metaphor for baptism of souls. A soul is baptized for one purpose--to repent. This is the change in direction that the heart must take to see God face to face. He's quite handsome by the way. This is compared to the Good Shepherd cleansing the wool. The wool is pulled over the eyes first so the sheep don't really know what is happening. The wool is then cleansed and washed white as snow. It's then returned as the new robe (Body) for the one that makes the journey with the Shepherd. Don't believe me, lets consult the Latin and Greek root for river of life and lamb.

Amni - Stream of Water or River

Amnio - Greek "Bowl" or "Lamb"

"Denotes a thin, transparent, tough membrane lining and the fluid-filled cavity contains the embryo of reptiles, birds, and mammals [amniotes]; the membrane around a fetus; diminutive of amnos, lamb; a bowl in which the blood of sacrificial victims was caught. Now used primarily to indicate the membrane surrounding the fetus in utero. "

Amnion - The amnion is a membrane building the amniotic sac that surrounds and protects an embryo.

Amniotic Fluid - Amniotic fluid or liquor amnii is the nourishing and protecting liquid contained by the amniotic sac of a pregnant woman.

Amnia - bag of waters; the extraembryonic membrane of birds, reptiles, and mammals, which lines the chorion.

Sia - Greek > Latin: a suffix; actor, process, condition, or state of; result of; expresses a state or abnormal condition or process of some disease

Amne(sia) - From modified Latin amnesia, from Ancient Greek ἀμνησία (amnēsia, “forgetfulness”).

AMNE´STIA (ἀμνηστεία）Amnesty is a word used by the later Greek writers, and from them borrowed by the Romans, to describe the act or arrangement by which offences were forgotten, or regarded as if they had not been committed, so that the offender could not be called to account for them.

How many ways can I show you before you see that you are in a foreign land and Amnesty is available by request? Bow to the Son and remove the pride. Better yet, allow him to sheer the wool for you.

Baptism is water immersion for the purpose of repentance. Water puts out fire. I can only tell you why you should.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
I have a simple question. Will you bow before the Son of God (Adam)?

Not a chance, any more than I would read the entire post.

Santa Claus, on the other hand, is a different story. I happen to know for a FACT that Santa uses small BIRDS to spy on people to see if they were naughty or nice the same way the NSA spies on these threads. The birds are like AUVs with a DIRECT line to Santa's HQ at the NP, and if you screw up, it's black coal for you, bucky!

Defy Santa at your peril.

What you should do, at the very least, is read my last post above this one. Greek and Latin. Argue with one simple root and you can say you are right.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Veritas1

 

Why? Why will that happen?

Well, my opinion is that there is no other choice but for this to happen as mankind as a whole will not change unless intervention on a unprecedented global scale. You know that little tender slap of the head you get for doing something stupid? Yeah, I equate everyone professing that Jesus is Lord to that tender, but out of love, slap.

Also, I think that Jesus is coming down after everything is said and done. There will be no more "faith" as we call it because faith is defined as believing. Belief will become absolute.

Originally posted by samlf3rd


People here are going to tell you the truth: you believe in a story, and base your life around it because you can't handle the fact that you are no better a person than the animals around you.

Two thieves on the cross. Both were guilty and convicted. Christ hangs in the middle. Only one thief was smart enough to repent. I am not better than you, but I am pretty smart.

Hydrogen has one proton and one electron in unity and balance. When exiting the star, they form hydrogen bonds and create all the elements that make us and the universe around us. For instance, the mark of life and mankind and our technology (Fruit of knowledge) is Carbon. It has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. Notice that the neutron is a neutral. The proton is always with the neutron in the middle. Which one of the three represents the thief who didn't repent? What of the two are the Son of God (and his church) and God (neither positive or negative)?

Nitrogen has 7 protons, 7 neutrons and 7 electrons. Isn't it ironic that God's number in the Bible is 777. 888 is oxygen and Jesus in Greek Gematria. What makes up the breath of God in man? Nitrogen and Oxygen. What kills the breath? Carbon. How do we overcome? The breath and the word we use to speak it.

You will loose this battle of science and truth if you go against what God leaves for us to see it clearly. Tell me how this is incorrect.

Originally posted by schuyler

Originally posted by EnochWasRight
I have a simple question. Will you bow before the Son of God (Adam)?

Not a chance, any more than I would read the entire post.

Santa Claus, on the other hand, is a different story. I happen to know for a FACT that Santa uses small BIRDS to spy on people to see if they were naughty or nice the same way the NSA spies on these threads. The birds are like AUVs with a DIRECT line to Santa's HQ at the NP, and if you screw up, it's black coal for you, bucky!

Defy Santa at your peril.

I have provided many facts from science that show why we should pay attention to God, the giver of gifts on Christmas. You seem to miss the symbolism in Santa. What about Frosty?

Frosty and Involution to Evolution

Gospel of the Nazarenes (Lection 88)

12. For by involution and evolution shall the salvation of all the world be accomplished: by the Descent of Spirit into matter, and the Ascent of matter into Spirit through the ages.

Get involved with the correct Spirit. Only one of those Spirits is worth bowing to.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
Simple answer: No. If it turns out he was real, flesh and all, and I meet, him, I will shake his hand. That's all.

If you only knew the irony in your comments. What is the sound of one hand clapping? What is on either side of a loaf of bread? Slice some up and put a slab of peanut butter on it. Toasted is good, but don't let it burn. You are in agreement with the baker, but have you met the King? He needs cup bearers.

I would be happy to explain all the riddles above. Say hello to Jesus and clap your hands. Which one are you hearing?