The mystery of Mayan and Egyptian common creation myth.

Have you heard of Slavic-Aryan vedas?

I've heard a little of Maian myths, but I heard something about this, earlier... I've been thinking about, and have some possible explanations... Not all, yet.
www.slavyanin.info...

Originally posted by dragnik
I've heard a little of Maian myths, but I heard something about this, earlier... I've been thinking about, and have some possible explanations... Not all, yet.
www.slavyanin.info...

In 1981, one girl told me about Oraj, she told me that was a Mercury, planet...
Now, I have a version, this one: That is O Ra I. O is not o, that is a circle, mark for planet. Ra, that is in Egyptian mythology, too, Ra is both God of Sun, and SUN by itself. I is Slavic Rune Istok. Oras are planets, or any cosmic body, of Solar System. We are on one of Oras. But, once, we were not here, and, maybe, idolatry of O Ra appeared, praying to come here, during the hypothetical travel...

Originally posted by dragnik

Originally posted by dragnik
I've heard a little of Maian myths, but I heard something about this, earlier... I've been thinking about, and have some possible explanations... Not all, yet.
www.slavyanin.info...

In 1981, one girl told me about Oraj, she told me that was a Mercury, planet...
Now, I have a version, this one: That is O Ra I. O is not o, that is a circle, mark for planet. Ra, that is in Egyptian mythology, too, Ra is both God of Sun, and SUN by itself. I is Slavic Rune Istok. Oras are planets, or any cosmic body, of Solar System. We are on one of Oras. But, once, we were not here, and, maybe, idolatry of O Ra appeared, praying to come here, during the hypothetical travel...

Daar? In Serbian, dar is synonimus for talent, talant was an ancient money, that could be something valuable, or CHOOSEN. Great migration of CHOOSEN ones.
Thule? There is a word utuliti in Serbian, for an example: utuli to svetlo, thule that light, utuli tu muziku, thule that music. That could be some kind of TERMINATION.

Originally posted by dragnik

Originally posted by dragnik

Originally posted by dragnik
I've heard a little of Maian myths, but I heard something about this, earlier... I've been thinking about, and have some possible explanations... Not all, yet.
www.slavyanin.info...

In 1981, one girl told me about Oraj, she told me that was a Mercury, planet...
Now, I have a version, this one: That is O Ra I. O is not o, that is a circle, mark for planet. Ra, that is in Egyptian mythology, too, Ra is both God of Sun, and SUN by itself. I is Slavic Rune Istok. Oras are planets, or any cosmic body, of Solar System. We are on one of Oras. But, once, we were not here, and, maybe, idolatry of O Ra appeared, praying to come here, during the hypothetical travel...

Daar? In Serbian, dar is synonimus for talent, talant was an ancient money, that could be something valuable, or CHOOSEN. Great migration of CHOOSEN ones.
Thule? There is a word utuliti in Serbian, for an example: utuli to svetlo, thule that light, utuli tu muziku, thule that music. That could be some kind of TERMINATION.

Next, RA or RI, these were the pronounciations for SUN, in Ancient Egyptian. In English, Ar Ei, or, Ar Ai, Ar Ay, Aryans...
Than, Perun's Gate, that could be Antares, red star, with its symbol
..

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What kind of gate? Some shortcut, I would say that. Perun is from Heaven, not from the Earth. He is maybe wandering thru the Space, our, or some other galaxy.

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Where we came from? There is a word in Serbian, leći, legnuti, legneš to dream of Legen?
Legion was a kind of army. According to that tradition, Legion all died shortly after landing, that unit.
'I then called Svetogor, I was one of the soldiers of the Legion of death. Our job was to keep the last line, to allow "iron bird" to gather as much people on the planet and have time to escape. We all died, and then the Aura Earth was destroyed, taking with him the lives of many ancient genera.'

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Aura was Au Ra, toward Ra, or, our Sun. That, and, Aura O Ra, Aurora, they became synonimi for a kind of shiny light.

reply to post by Kantzveldt


interesting take on the matter.

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There is one more word, Arabia... Maybe, some continent or island on Legen, not sure.

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That is not prophecy, that is a kind of ancient history, partly lost in fog of tens and hundreds of milleniums.

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That is not prophecy, that is a kind of ancient history, partly lost in fog of tens and hundreds of milleniums.

My name is Dragan... If you read it backward, Nagard, there is a Sweedish name Nagard... Nagard, Asgard, Dragsa, Dragiša... Some group of us started talking backward, some words, or many of... I guess.

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Gone, goni (se, ga); Sun, Sunce; Yes, jeste; Knee, kni, koleni, koleno; Nose, nos...

Zaora? We can read it Za ORA... For Ora... Priestess, but, could have been some person authorised by some body for cosmic bodies of RA Star, meaning, our dear Sun, which is giving life to us, sending a lot of energy toward Earth, which allows plants to product food... It protects us with its magnetic and gravitation field, too, and many more...

Originally posted by dragnik
Zaora? We can read it Za ORA... For Ora... Priestess, but, could have been some person authorised by some body for cosmic bodies of RA Star, meaning, our dear Sun, which is giving life to us, sending a lot of energy toward Earth, which allows plants to product food... It protects us with its magnetic and gravitation field, too, and many more...

Which body? A question. Is that still existing somewhere outthere?

Originally posted by dragnik

Originally posted by dragnik
Zaora? We can read it Za ORA... For Ora... Priestess, but, could have been some person authorised by some body for cosmic bodies of RA Star, meaning, our dear Sun, which is giving life to us, sending a lot of energy toward Earth, which allows plants to product food... It protects us with its magnetic and gravitation field, too, and many more...

Which body? A question. Is that still existing somewhere outthere?

Originally posted by Kantzveldt
The question you have overlooked, as has the Wiki page you referenced, is who created the primordial mound of first creation from which Atum-Ptah-Ra et al emerged, it is only that preliminary stage with which i have concerned myself in the OP, and i did mention this is entirely outside the scope of the general blurb...

For the groups within Ancient Egypt which believed in the emergence from the ben-ben, there WAS no 'previous state'.

So as i outlined, it is Sokar, the God of the deepest, darkest depths (as evidenced in his centrality within the Duat), that makes first emergance from the primordial waters and creates the mound of creation, with which he sails around the skies on the Henu barque.

Sokar is a deity of the underworld, and is linked to Ptah and Osiris but not as a creator deity.



To realise this role of Sokar, one needs to extrapolate him from his Osiris association in the pyramid texts, coffin texts and New Kingdom funerary texts, to consider his unique functions.

The relationship of the Mastaba to this mound of first creation and later the pyramids i'm sure you're aware of, maybe also that the Old Kingdom necropoli would be associated with a lake off the greater river from which the primordial mound emerged, Sokar had association not only with the mound but also the lake from which it was considered to emerge from;

Sokar is not one of the original gods of the land. Hathor, Horus, and Bast are the three oldest, with Ra showing up slightly later.

Faulkner: A ‘ferryman’ text
O Kherty of Nezat, ferryman of the ‘Ikht-bark which Khnum made, bring me this, for I am Sokar of Rostau
(r.st3.w), I am bound for the place where dwells Sokar who presides over Pdw-s.

www.cintronics.com...

Pdw-s there relates to the Lake of Abusir, the locale of the Royal Necropolis at the time of the pyramid texts.
Actually, that text dates to 700 BC or thereabouts. It is thought to be a copy of an earlier text, but the date of the earliest copy isn't known.

There are two sources of textual references to the Abusir lake. The earliest reference
occurs in utterance 610 (§1712) of the Pyramid Texts as a title or epithet of Sokar, “Sokar who presides over the Pdw-š” (Faulkner 1969, 253), where Pdw- š is interpreted as the “lake of Abusir” (Gaballa and Kitchen 1969, 5, n.6). Secondly, New Kingdom and Late period texts cite toponyms from the Memphite Necropolis in association with the sanctuary of Sokar, which is most likely to have been at Saqqara
(Posner-Kriéger 1976, 71, n.1). Thus, the notion of a lake at Abusir was derived from the translation of the title or epithet of the god Sokar

The "pyramid texts" are actually compiled from a number of different pyramids at different dates, and the material you're citing is also later date.

I'll always accept that observed stylistic correlations are somewhat in the eye of the beholder,but here's the comparison i was making, the Mayan motifs involving a falcon

were the falcon was associated with Itzamna and seen as a bird associated with night and day, the passing of time, and the Egyptian Horus falcon as seen on the Horus name serekhs of the first Dynasties, were Horus was the falcon that ruled by day and Sokar the falcon that ruled by night.

Uhm... not in all places and certainly not as first depicted. Falcons are common predator birds around the world and many societies have had them as totems.

Like I said... having studied both civilizations and gotten a sense of what occurred when and what was going on in their theological thought, I don't see the connection.

Mostly, I don't see why a well-established civilization would suddenly adopt the views and totems of a civilization that had no contact with them. As an example, America hasn't suddenly taken on Siberian Shaman totems and practices although Siberian shamans probably came to America many times before the historical period.

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Hi byrd,

As an example, America hasn't suddenly taken on Siberian Shaman totems and practices although Siberian shamans probably came to America many times before the historical period.

Actually a confluence of new genetic studies, linguistics, comparative mythology and ethnomusic studies are starting to indicate the reverse might be true, that native American shamans brought thier mythos and totems to the old world in a back migration.

Linguists have for a century suggested a common linguistic heritage for Na-Dene and Yeniseian, but only recently has a case been made using traditional methods of historical reconstruction (Vajda 2010). Our work responds to challenges to use alternative methodologies to evaluate this hypothesis (Campbell 2011, Diamond 2011) and contributes to a growing body of literature using bioinformatic methods to push the time depths at which linguistic comparison can test hypotheses of prehistory (see also Dunn et al. 2005, Gray and Atkinson 2003). In this paper we examine the Dene-Yeniseian hypothesis using computational phylogenetic methods applied to two recently compiled data sets. The first data set is composed of typological and morphological characters, while the second is composed of lexical characters coded for cognacy. We fit trees to these data using both Bayesian and neighbor-joining network models. In both cases the degree of tree-like structure within Northern Na-Dene is minimal, suggesting a long history of diffused innovations (cf. Krauss 1973, Hill 1978) and a possible center of radiation (Sapir 1916). The typological dataset in particular shows a significant tree-like signal at higher levels that supports the Dene-Yeniseian hypothesis, with a thought provoking twist. The phylogenies suggest an ancient heritage for Yeniseian in Beringia with the relationship representing a terminal Pleistocene back migration

anthropogenesis.kinshipstudies.org...
And a map of the situation

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And on the subject of common themes in mythology from peoples with no obvious connections.

2007, Berezkin’s another Russian book, Myths Colonize the Americas. Areal Distribution of Folklore Motifs and Early Migrations to the New World, was published in Moscow. In it, Berezkin traced the American Indian mythological motifs in Asia and the Pacific. The 2007 book is similar to the 2001 book and basically include an overview of the broader Old World parallels of New World myths, with new speculations on how the New World was peopled. The principal finding of the 2007 book is that there are two main poles or macroareas or “interaction spheres” in the worldwide mythological motif variation – “Indo-Pacific,” to which the “Amazonian” cluster from the 2001 book belonged, and the “Continental Eurasian.” North America, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Rim of East Asia shared motifs with both macroareas. Siberia fell into the Continental Eurasian macroarea, with some motifs fitting the Indo-Pacific one. The existence of strong Indo-Pacific links in the Americas came as a surprise considering the long-standing tradition of deriving American Indians from one or three waves of migration from Northeast Asia. Berezkin recognized the similarity between his finding and the new paleobiological research (see the works of Walter Neves, Joseph Powell and others) that established the non-Mongoloid features of Paleoindian skulls and their belonging with Australo-Melanesian crania. Berezkin zoomed in on two very typical motifs in the Continetal Eurasian and Indo-Pacific zones – Earth Diver and Emergence from the Ground. Both motifs were abundantly found in the Americas, with Earth Diver concentrating in North America, with some forays into South America (Siona-Sekoya, Tanimuca-Retuarã or Letuama [both Tukanoan], Maléku Jaíka or Guatuso [Chibchan], Wapishana [Arawakan], Makushi, Yukpa [Carib]), while Emergence from the Ground centering in South America with several pockets in North America (including Eskimos). On the global scale, America is on par with Africa and the Indo-Pacific zone in possessing multiple variants of Emergence from the Ground and with Continental Eurasia, all the way into the Balkans, in possessing a wealth of Earth Diver versions (see below).[ex/]

More and more evidence is being compiled showing a native American component of behaviorly modern humans going deep into antiquity, in the new world and subsequently spreading into eurasia and Africa.