Syria is firing SCUD missiles at the rebellion forces

Originally posted by Liberal1984
If democratically elected Syria wishes to survive, it need only make clear it will distribute its chemical & biological weapons to Hamas, Hezbollah, ect.

Hezbollah maybe. But Assad will not distribute chemical and biological weapons to Palestinian terror groups. Hamas cut relations with Assad. There are 500,000 Palestinians in Syria. Did you know a large number of them have joined the FSA? Why would Assad give those weapons to the people he is fighting? They won't use them vs Israel, they'll use them on Assad's forces. Remember this is sectarian violence at its heart, Shia vs Sunni. Hamas and most Palestinians by definition are NOT on the Shia side in this conflict.

Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone
Unusual weapon to use in a civil war.

Assad should use whatever he can without provoking NATO airstrikes. The arbitrary "red line" seems to be chemical and biological munitions. The SCUD can be used with conventional (high explosive or incendiary) warheads.

reply to post by Ravinski


It's not just the middle east. It's to destabilise the whole of Africa, which is still very rich in resources.

This is why Gaddaffi had to be removed. He was that continents best shot at bringing them all together to make a prosperous and cohesive territory. He had big ideas and big plans and the money and backing, from the rest of Africa, to do it.

I'm pretty sure Saddam attempted to change the purchasing of Oil in US dollars to the purchase of Oil in Gold and then all of a sudden he became public enemy number one too. Gaddaffi wanted to create a currency for Africa that they could use instead of US dollars. Gaddaffi was set to deliver fresh water to not just Libya but other countries too.

The UN and the Western powers don't want a prosperous Africa.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by Ravinski

 

It's not just the middle east. It's to destabilise the whole of Africa, which is still very rich in resources.

The UN and the Western powers don't want a prosperous Africa.

That's right and that's not the only kind of things they do to in Africa. There has been a lot of colonizing going on there and it has made other countries and other people very rich yet Africa's indigenous population remain very poor, when they should be some of the richest people in the world.

Instead, a lot of them are dying from disease spread by paid mercenaries whether those mercenaries are aware of who they are working for or not. It's also very hard for these people to get any help from outside that continent because goods will be outright stolen once they hit the shore.

It's nothing short of deliberate murder and it's been going on long enough to where black people are now the worlds smallest of the large races. The black race will not be annihilated but a large part of that is because they have been assimilated into other societies and cultures. This is why black pride doesn't offend me like it does some people when they try to hold on to their original culture and I know a lot of pissed off black people have every reason to be paranoid. They HAVE been used. They HAVE been held back and I hate to say this but when I see a black person acting like they are completely conformed to western society and treating other people with condescension as long as they are gainfully employed or a "made" person in the social rungs, It always just amazes me... but they've lived a different life, in a different world so it should be no surprise for them to not see it. It's not often, but when it happens I am just stunned. It's not my place to do or say anything to someone like that but I'd take up for a crazy acting paranoid black person on the street who suddenly doesn't trust his surroundings when confronted than I would someone who has "made it" that refuses to look at the truth of what their own people have been through.

there's something going on very serious that people need to realize. There are people all across this country who do not believe that people who still have primitive cultures because industrialization hasn't hit their area as hard, are smart or can be good and instead of looking at them like people of villages or whatever who just don't have certain luxuries we have, they are looked at as animals, as dirt. They call them the "Mud Races" and if you do not conform to what they think society should *look* like, you are invalid... you are not human. They started fueling tribal warfare that still goes on among primitive cultures and say "see, they can't rule themselves... they need masters"

I've known about it a while but someone actually said those words to me and he was working for a north Florida sheriffs department.

You got people all across the states like this who have never lived outside their small home town & what do they know about the world... nothing, but what they are told and they are taught this crap through the elites various networks. Most of it trickles down through their simple minded elders who have fought wars for the "man" and have been given various honors & compensations for their compliance * it's ignorance feeding ignorance but there are larger sources of it... where these notions are being pushed like dark, insidious propaganda. A lot of it comes from unseen cowards.

People do need to adopt civility all around the world, but you can't judge something like that by the clothes people wear or the villages they live in...and especially the color of their skin... and so the babes get thrown out with the bathwater. They call it ethnic cleansing... I call it harvesting demonic energy. I call it working for the Devil. The Evil it facilitates is filthier than any dirt or scum these people wag their fingers at.

A lot of people who see what's happening in Syria think this is normal and they just ignore it because all they see is shoddy people running around in raggedy clothes in raggedy cities and they say "oh, those people are always fighting"... when a lot of times it's being fueled by clean cut men in suits....and that's how the jackasses get away with it.

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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by MrSpad

 

As the radical islamist have been cut out of the new group that would be unlikely. In fact post Assad fall the rebels will move to clean them out, a move they have already made in some areas they have secured. The post Assad goverment will a be a mixture that will require coalitions to rule. You can expect this to a be lond hard process with Syria. What they will end up like will not be clear for a decade or more.

The Obama admin has been covertly backing the Muslim Brotherhood in all these states, including Egypt. In a classically pro Sunni environment, the Obama admin has to at least pretend it supports the true moderate Sunnis. I don't believe for a minute that the bad guys have been "cut out" as you say. But I don't trust anything this admin does.

Further, BLoomberg ran this article saying the Obama admin declared this group a terrorist group

The Obama administration’s designation of a Syrian rebel group as a terrorist organization reflects unease about the factions receiving support from U.S. allies in the fight against Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

The U.S. added one of the more successful anti-Assad military groups, al-Nusra Front, to its list of terrorist organizations Dec. 11, citing the group’s ties to al-Qaeda in Iraq. U.S. officials worry that the conflict has become a magnet for Islamic militants, and it hasn’t armed rebels out of concern that weapons could fall into fundamentalist hands.

But somehow the Obama admin thinks it can help the rebels without helping out the terrorist group.

Sounds about the same as their Utopian ideals of forcing the Super wealthy to pay more taxes without making the middle class pay too.

www.bloomberg.com...

edit on 13-12-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

So in other words you base your idea off a paranoid dislike of the current President on not the current military and political realities? The US is hardly alone in this and if Obama had some great plot one of the other several dozen nations involved would blow the wistle. The fact is we used the tactics in the Balkans when radical islamist were there as well. They were cut out in retrurn for western recognition then removed by force.

reply to post by MrSpad


I think the current Prez is a kind of anomaly based on his Marxist, anti-colonialist stance and agenda. Only a fool would not admit this about him. However, all Presidents since at least Carter have been surrounded by CFR and TC and Bilderbergs. I think he will do whatever the NWO wants him to do, or else....but I do think he has his own personal agenda with his leftist base. Every Sec of Defense since Eisenhower has been a member of the CFR. It is like a pre-requisite to being in power. I think even McCain is in on this thing, whatever it is. These guys are all globalists. Obam is definitely a Left Hegelian though, with a Marxist agenda of taking the US down a notch and "leveling the playing field" in the Progressive's own terminology. He's definitely a globalist and definitely not playing on the side of the USA. Remember the globalists are all Internationalists. They don't care about country or national sovereignty. In fact one of the main factors of globalism is tearing down national sovereignty, as is being done in the UN Agenda 21.
Lest you think I am overly partisan, I am currently reading a new book called, "Behind the Green Mask: UN AGenda 21" by Rosa Koire.
Now it is my understanding that Rosa is quite liberal, but she uncovered Agenda 21 while fighting some battles regarding emminent domain and property in a globalist "redevelopment" scheme. Also her website is called "DemocratsAgainstUNAgenda21.com".
I really don't trust the lot of them. Not POTUS, not McCain, not even Boehner. These guys have all been compromised, except for a very few, like perhaps Darryl Issa and maybe Eric Cantor.

There was definitely something very fishy about the whole Benghazi thing, and some people think the Syrian situation is connected possibly with gun running and arms dealing.
This all smells intensely fishy.
I see people posting here on this site about this and that conspiracy, but then they trust what this POTUS is doing. I think some people need a big WAKEUP slap in the face to get them out of their drunken stupor. Way too much Kool Aid.
Admittedly, it is difficult to make sense of some of this stuff, but after you study things enough, you just know something is wrong.

Ok so you think because the International Community is in on this Syrian rebel support that makes it right? Why isn't Russia on board with it then? Ordinarily I would have seen Russia as the bad guy and whatever the allies are doing as right. But Obama is not interested in our allies, in fact he blew off all our allies and nuzzled up to the Muslim Brotherhood. So why should we accept his actions at face value? Obama is concerned with following the wolf pack of the UN and his European Intl Socialist buddies.

Hear what I say....The UN is the seat of the NWO govt.

Originally posted by TerrorAlertRed
Didn't Russia just give them some high tech missiles. So why are they using these SCUDs?

Because Syria has thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Scud missiles. Why waste their new ones when the old ones can be used? I reckon they're keeping their shiny new toys in reserve should NATO come a-knocking.

You do realize there are several variants of Scuds, don't you? (A, B, C, D and then the Iranian/N. Korean modified ones)

I'd be more worried about their ship-killing missiles, if I was the U.S. Those Yahkont cruise missiles (I forgot the name of the other one) can punch a neat little hole into that Carrier fleet you guys have stationed off their coast.

There are electromagnetic weapons as well. Not soviet-style SCUDs, but something more form their friends in Iran.