2012 - The Ultimate False Flag?

Look up the meaning of this Immanentize the eschaton

Think about 1948 and Israel and get back to me...

reply to post by abeverage

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. It has been used by conservative critics as a pejorative reference to certain utopian projects, such as socialism, communism, and transhumanism.[1] In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)" or "trying to create heaven here on Earth."

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Consider yourself "gotten back to".

I guess the idea with "immanentize the eschaton" is to bring about a heavenly state here on Earth by way of Armegaddon or similar means. Are you postulating that maybe the creation of the Israeli state was part of a decades-long plan to fulfill what TPTB understood as divine Apocalypse? I would think that Deity can handle things like Apocalypse on His own, but then again, I could argue that it was always intended for humans to fulfill that task.

But that's a big bag of monkeys deserving of it's own thread. I see how you were applying the concept to this thread, care to expound with your own words?

EDIT: The concept of "immanentize the eschaton" really reminds me of NERV and Seele's separate plans to initiate "Third Impact" in the anime series "Neon Genesis Evangelion".

Originally posted by Heliophant
reply to post by abeverage

 

In political theory and theology, to immanentize the eschaton means trying to bring about the eschaton (the final, heaven-like stage of history) in the immanent world. It has been used by conservative critics as a pejorative reference to certain utopian projects, such as socialism, communism, and transhumanism.[1] In all these contexts it means "trying to make that which belongs to the afterlife happen here and now (on Earth)" or "trying to create heaven here on Earth."

en.wikipedia.org...

Consider yourself "gotten back to".

I guess the idea with "immanentize the eschaton" is to bring about a heavenly state here on Earth by way of Armegaddon or similar means. Are you postulating that maybe the creation of the Israeli state was part of a decades-long plan to fulfill what TPTB understood as divine Apocalypse? I would think that Deity can handle things like Apocalypse on His own, but then again, I could argue that it was always intended for humans to fulfill that task.

But that's a big bag of monkeys deserving of it's own thread. I see how you were applying the concept to this thread, care to expound with your own words?

EDIT: The concept of "immanentize the eschaton" really reminds me of Nerv and Seele's separate plans to initiate "Third Impact" in the anime series "Neon Genesis Evangelion".

edit on 10-12-2012 by Heliophant because: (no reason given)

I am sure if you believe in a "Master Plan" that anything people do, is irrelevant. But you had mentioned be on the lookout for people running a false-flag. Seems to me that would pass as bringing about the Eschaton, and would be in the hearts & minds of the masses. But then why didn't Y2K pan out or 1999 for that matter?

Neon Genesis rocks by the way...way to overt on religious themes mixed with Kaiju though...

Now you got me thinking that there will be an actual Leviathan or Behemoth!

Originally posted by abeverage
I am sure if you believe in a "Master Plan" that anything people do, is irrelevant. But you had mentioned be on the lookout for people running a false-flag. Seems to me that would pass as bringing about the Eschaton, and would be in the hearts & minds of the masses.

That's what I figured you were getting at, but wanted you to be the one to say it. It's a very valid point.

But then why didn't Y2K pan out or 1999 for that matter?

I addressed this (rather ambiguously) earlier in the thread in This Post.

Neon Genesis rocks by the way...way to overt on religious themes mixed with Kaiju though...

Such an awesome series. EoE was awesome as well. But these new "Rebuild of Evangelion" feature films coming out of Japan are absolutely stunning!

Now you got me thinking that there will be an actual Leviathan or Behemoth!

Kinda like Final Fantasy VII?

Doood...

The only reason 12/21/12 is hyped AT ALL is because it breaks down to 9. Stupid 'secret societies' love their stupid numerology.

1+2 2+1 1+2 = 3 + 3 +3 = 9

3 x 3 x 3 = 27 = 2 + 7 = 9

12+21+12 = 45 = 4 + 5 = 9

12 x 21 x 12 = 3024

[30 - 24 = 6]

30/6 = 5 24/6 = 4

again

4 + 5 = 9

reply to post by ConspiracyBuff


I'd hardly call secret societies and especially Numerology/Gematria "stupid". In a causative world based firmly in mathematics, numbers have a way of ordering themselves rather nicely.

But to those that are interested, here's the Gematria meanings for "9"

TET
(Tet = --- 24
--- A coiling; Serpent.
--- the name of the ninth Sephira is
--- 80.
--- proper name form of . (9 = 3x3, father of fathers).
--- to be strong.
--- powerful one.
--- to be hollow.
--- water skin, leather bottle; the hollow belly (of conjurers, in which the conjuring spirit dwells and speaks as if from out of the earth); a necromancer.
--- (see also 13); to light, to heat.
--- brother; friend; kinsman; one of the same tribe; a fellow countryman; a confederate, an ally, a neighbor or fellow man; a fellow or match.
--- oh!, ah!, alas!; fire; fire-stove or pot; howlings; owl.
--- firm; pupil (of the eye).
--- to cover; to conceal, act covertly, deceive, cheat.
--- covering, clothing; outer garment; concealment, treachery; rapine. (First three consecutive letters after . The beginning without the first step. Concealment of the first. This is seen in the letter ='s 9 as 10-1).
--- to enter.
--- to despise.
--- spoil, plunder.
--- to sprout, grow up; rise, be high, exalted, majestic; to be haughty; to be deep, hollow; pride; ungodly.
--- the back; body; the middle, midst.
--- pr.n. "Exile".
--- shout, cry (of joy).

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The tet - ט represents hidden, inverted beneficence.

www.betemunah.org...

Originally posted by Heliophant

Originally posted by abeverage
I am sure if you believe in a "Master Plan" that anything people do, is irrelevant. But you had mentioned be on the lookout for people running a false-flag. Seems to me that would pass as bringing about the Eschaton, and would be in the hearts & minds of the masses.

That's what I figured you were getting at, but wanted you to be the one to say it. It's a very valid point.

But then why didn't Y2K pan out or 1999 for that matter?

I addressed this (rather ambiguously) earlier in the thread in This Post.

Neon Genesis rocks by the way...way to overt on religious themes mixed with Kaiju though...

Such an awesome series. EoE was awesome as well. But these new "Rebuild of Evangelion" feature films coming out of Japan are absolutely stunning!

Now you got me thinking that there will be an actual Leviathan or Behemoth!

Kinda like Final Fantasy VII?

Off topic but I did see they were doing a rebuild on Evangelion...

Originally posted by gravitybender
I tend to be on the side of "nothing will happen on 12/21/12"

However... My belief is the hype has been manufactured to see how much fear they can instill in the people. More like a social experiment to see which of the sheeple actually fear the end. I believe this experiment is a mind game (which, we know they love playing) and has been in full effect since the early 50's.

I feel that just like on 9/11 - when the time comes for a false flag it will be with surprise when everyone has their guard down.

Which after 2012, people will be breathing a sigh of relief and getting back into their comfort zones. So expect something in 2013 or 2014 which will catch all us completely off guard.

Hmmm... Now that I think of it Y2K was a panic situation that led to extreme societal relief after nothing happened (people even felt foolish for "preparing"), then 21 months later 9/11 occurred and everyone went into panic mode.

Just a thought.

Very true.... If it is a government 2012 mass doom, they will surely wait until everyone has come out of their hidey holes and get comfortable and complacent again.

WE gave you working tools yet YOU choose not to see, the ones who CHOOSE to see do not wish to hear.

Why are you here?

To destroy everything WE gave you?

Why are you here?

To destroy each other?

Why are you here?

To hate?

Why are you here?

To watch your fellow beings die and struggle?

Why are you here?


The Word

no

two things will happen

1) someone will take credit for saving the world because they posted a thread on ATS when nothing happens

2) something fairly kinda weird will happen, but it will have nothing to do with the "prophecy" and all the believers will say this is proof something happened

reply to post by syrinx high priest

I'm in agreement with the assumption that nothing natural or supernatural will happen on that date.

Originally posted by Heliophant
Lets just say that NOTHING OF NATURAL ORIGIN will occur to bring death and destruction on Dec 21 2012.
...
I really don't think 2012 will be a doomsday all by itself...
...
My advice? Stop worrying about some mystical 2012 event that probably won't happen and, instead, be on the lookout for HUMANS that might want to do something on that date.

However, it's ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE that TPTB or some other group of humans might be interested in causing a stink that day. That doesn't mean that it WILL happen, only that it's possible. To say otherwise would be rather naive. I think issuing a definitive "No" as you did, claiming to know for a fact what will transpire on that date, is equally daft.

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Doood...

The only reason 12/21/12 is hyped AT ALL is because it breaks down to 9. Stupid 'secret societies' love their stupid numerology.

1+2 2+1 1+2 = 3 + 3 +3 = 9

3 x 3 x 3 = 27 = 2 + 7 = 9

12+21+12 = 45 = 4 + 5 = 9

12 x 21 x 12 = 3024

[30 - 24 = 6]

30/6 = 5 24/6 = 4

again

4 + 5 = 9

edit on 10-12-2012 by ConspiracyBuff because: (no reason given)

how does it work of for 21/12/2012 ?

like if your british and proper and all that ?

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
how does it work of for 21/12/2012 ?

like if your british and proper and all that ?

It makes no difference, thanks to the Commutive, Associative, and Distributive Properties of Addition and Multiplication.

The commutative property says that the order in addition and multiplication does not matter. The associative property states that grouping location does not matter. The distributive property shows how multiplication of sums takes place. Although these properties or laws may seem obvious, they are basics of Algebra operations.

www.school-for-champions.com...

However, the last part of his calculations could be affected by changes in their order:

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff

[30 - 24 = 6]

30/6 = 5 24/6 = 4

again

4 + 5 = 9

Then again, the numbers he's using for that part are generated by addition and multiplication, so re-ordering the source numbers (aka The Date) would still result in the same numbers for the divisive and subtractive calculations at the end.

Hm...Some food for thought the least. It's a VERY likely probable scenario. You know, when the Olympics came and passed I asked myself why Big Brother didn't take advantage of it, and caused thousands of deaths. But then, it made sense that just maybe Big Mother stopped his little boy on his tracks before he did something stupid again. I believe in divine intervention, whatever it might be that has the best interest for its inhabitants. Someone who cares unconditionally for our planet and its people. The bosses know this VERY well and they wouldn't jeopardize a scenario like this as probable as it may sound. With that said, I don't believe any form of a false flag is going to occur on the 21st.

let's all be honest here..

the simplest, and probably even the deepest reason on why so many people seemingly WANT to believe that these kind of things will happen,
is because most people are more inclined/willing to believe, and have ALREADY believed in all those "fantasy, magical, & out-of-the-real-world" things about the whole "2012" things and especially that 21 December 2012 date!
that the human's Imagination is always far 100x much more interesting & vivid/lively and full of variety (not to mention much more mysterious, and fascinating!),
rather than this seemingly mundane, "dry", boring everyday's reality or "real-world / real-life" .

Most of these people probably won't be able to handle/endure another "NOTHING changes", mundane, harsh, boring, & same reality, day by day, over and over again... no more!!... especially with the worsened society & humanity (ie: more shallow, dumb, stupid, shallow & meaningless materialism and plastic superficiality) as each year seems to pass by.

Originally posted by ConspiracyBuff
Doood...

The only reason 12/21/12 is hyped AT ALL is because it breaks down to 9. Stupid 'secret societies' love their stupid numerology.

1+2 2+1 1+2 = 3 + 3 +3 = 9

3 x 3 x 3 = 27 = 2 + 7 = 9

12+21+12 = 45 = 4 + 5 = 9

12 x 21 x 12 = 3024

[30 - 24 = 6]

30/6 = 5 24/6 = 4

again

4 + 5 = 9

edit on 10-12-2012 by ConspiracyBuff because: (no reason given)

It is the height of hubris to assume that these numbers, made up by men, actually mean anything in the big scheme of the universe. The winter solstice means something, but the dates assigned to it mean nothing. In the Chinese calendar the solstice comes in the 11th month, and it is year 4659. In the Islamic calendar it's year 1434. Gimme some numerology on those numbers!

I agree with Helio and AQ. I personally think that alot of Americans freedom will come to heavy restrictions. Our privacy and the way of living is been cut short. Our freedom of speech and protection of our jutice is not for the people anymore.

I honestly believe we are headed for dark times ahead. We speak our expressions and feelings over the internet because our own neighbors and government doesn't hear our voices anymore. When they completely limit our freedom of speech over the internet or cut us off entirely, I think some people will wake up and will the streets with violence. If you think the middle east is bad, we can come to the same realization here on our soil very soon.

The worst is yet to come so really need to depend on eachother and how will we achieve is completely up to us.

2012 is the superbowl for nutjobs. myself included.

reply to post by CaptChaos


I guess you missed the part about 'stupid secret societies' and 'stupid numerology' I did not infer that i put any stock in these numbers or numerology for that matter, but simply TPTB do...

reply to post by daaskapital


How about allot less mouths to feed and resources to be consumed if the plant poplulation were to decrease?

How about allot less people to fight back when they try to implement the NWO afterwards?

Just throwing those two out there...