Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!

Originally posted by beezzer
Basically, (according to the OP) conservative christians shouldn't be allowed to raise their children according to their religious beliefs.

These parents should raise their children in a state-sponsored secular humanist fashion.

Did I get it right?

That is not was has been said. You are putting words into the op's mouth saying that which is simply not true. The argument is that it shows that the methods used are not effective and at the same time bringing forth another country with a completely different approach that shows very promising results in doing so.

reply to post by Rubic0n


So christian conservatives could still be allowed to raise their children as they see fit?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

So christian conservatives could still be allowed to raise their children as they see fit?

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives" don't produce the occult tv and films that promote sex, drugs, violence and such which push it's new liberal morality onto the population, resulting in the vast majority of these 'unwanted' pregnancies.

"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives' aren't the ones who defined these babies as 'unwanted'.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" don't push the killing of a baby as the solution to unwanted pregnancy nor did they legalise this murder.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" had absolutely zero to do with glorifying sex, the sexual revolution, nor the legalisation of baby killing.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" fight the same fight as Jesus - preaching the Word of Truth that the world does not want to hear. Likewise the preaching that the consequences of choosing evil leads to death, and thus abortion always follow heathenism and paganism because the fruit of the glorification of free sex must be disposed of in some manner. The sexual revolution was glorified in America, and within a decade the demand to make baby killing legal saw it's fulfillment.

"Hard-core Conservative Christians" will steadfastly follow the law of God written in their heart which is clear - abortion is murder, the deliberate taking of innocent life. They will also teach their children that glorifying sex and letting it's strong passions consume your every waking moment is nothing more than how many in Israel were led astray over the years.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" didn't introduce the sexual revolution, nor demand the right to butcher the unborn, nor produce any of the media that glorifies sex above God, nor teach the nation's children that a baby is a mass of cells and expendable. But yet OP, you blame them for the high incidence of abortion and teenage pregnancy in our lands. I don't think you understand just how illogical you sound. In fact, you simply want to rid this planet of the voice of Truth because it reminds you of just how evil it truly is. Put the blame where blame lies - with the people convinced that having free sex is so desirable that they justify any and all reasoning to uphold the killing of innocent babies which allows them to stay wallowing in a lifestyle whereby their sexual lusts can still be fulfilled.

yeh they preach truth. Their truth! I for one don't want to hear it! I think what the OP was trying to say is, When you try to control something through force it usually causes the opposite effect! A rebellian! If you don't believe me look up the amish and their reasons for having a hell week! I don't think he was saying we need to promote sexual conduct but edjucation! If a child want's to have sex they will find a way unless you lock them in the closet"! better off explaining to them why they should abstain but if they feel they are mature enough and in love enough to handle a relationship then that's a decision that should be up to a mature adolesent! If all these reasons are valid then I would be fine with protected conduct under my roof though i would'nt be happy about it!
I would however be alot less happy if they were out in the woods somewhere a maniac could harm them!
I would also be less happy if my son or daughter hid their social life from me and was afraid to come to me if they were in trouble! I don't want my kids afraid of talking to me for dam sure! If we teach them well enough they will make the right decisions and when they don't they will tell us!

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by beezzer
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So christian conservatives could still be allowed to raise their children as they see fit?

So this is an opinion thread demonising christians based on data (incomplete) from another country.



Got it!

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by beezzer
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So christian conservatives could still be allowed to raise their children as they see fit?

So this is an opinion thread demonising christians based on data (incomplete) from another country.

Got it!

I am glad you finally "figured out" the "mystery" and that i was such a supporting factor in your assertion ,making sure you did not miss a thing about it.

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I like simplifying and putting things in perspective.

I'm not very smart and this helps.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I like simplifying and putting things in perspective.

I'm not very smart and this helps.

Not intending to sounds harsh but, it does show a bit you know.

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by beezzer
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I like simplifying and putting things in perspective.

I'm not very smart and this helps.

Not intending to sounds harsh but, it does show a bit you know.

I know. It's okay. The folks here are patient and they don't try to use big words around me too much.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by Rubic0n

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Rubic0n

 

I like simplifying and putting things in perspective.

I'm not very smart and this helps.

Not intending to sounds harsh but, it does show a bit you know.

I know. It's okay. The folks here are patient and they don't try to use big words around me too much.

Will keep that in mind then

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I am a Parent and I make sure my 16 year old Son has a supply of condoms.

And he has had his g/f stay over for the night, So what if they are having sex. I would rather them be responsible about it.

When I was in highschool I had sex. Yep, 8th grade(well summer between 8th and 9th grade), still pretty young. I knew to use condoms. My parents didn't really discuss i with me, but I was aware of how pregnancy comes to be, what it was and how to have sex with out getting a girl pregnant. I'm extremely thankful for what I learned in sex ed. My parents were unaware of what I was doing, but I was aware of what I was doing and the potential consequences of not using protection. I am incredibly grateful for what I learned in sex ed, and I think it's a little foolish to think hormone ripe teenagers are not going to experiment with one another.

I commend the dutch for having a more modern outlook on life, as well as providing the necessary tools and knowledge for the teenage populace. Sex ed wasn't what it is now, when I was in school, nor is it anything like the dutch have. I wish more schools were to the point and honest about sex, STD's and contraception. Like it or not, humans are going to have sex, at what ever age they decide not their parents.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives" don't produce the occult tv and films that promote sex, drugs, violence and such which push it's new liberal morality onto the population, resulting in the vast majority of these 'unwanted' pregnancies.

"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives' aren't the ones who defined these babies as 'unwanted'.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" don't push the killing of a baby as the solution to unwanted pregnancy nor did they legalise this murder.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" had absolutely zero to do with glorifying sex, the sexual revolution, nor the legalisation of baby killing.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" fight the same fight as Jesus - preaching the Word of Truth that the world does not want to hear. Likewise the preaching that the consequences of choosing evil leads to death, and thus abortion always follow heathenism and paganism because the fruit of the glorification of free sex must be disposed of in some manner. The sexual revolution was glorified in America, and within a decade the demand to make baby killing legal saw it's fulfillment.

"Hard-core Conservative Christians" will steadfastly follow the law of God written in their heart which is clear - abortion is murder, the deliberate taking of innocent life. They will also teach their children that glorifying sex and letting it's strong passions consume your every waking moment is nothing more than how many in Israel were led astray over the years.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" didn't introduce the sexual revolution, nor demand the right to butcher the unborn, nor produce any of the media that glorifies sex above God, nor teach the nation's children that a baby is a mass of cells and expendable. But yet OP, you blame them for the high incidence of abortion and teenage pregnancy in our lands. I don't think you understand just how illogical you sound. In fact, you simply want to rid this planet of the voice of Truth because it reminds you of just how evil it truly is. Put the blame where blame lies - with the people convinced that having free sex is so desirable that they justify any and all reasoning to uphold the killing of innocent babies which allows them to stay wallowing in a lifestyle whereby their sexual lusts can still be fulfilled.

yeh they preach truth. Their truth! I for one don't want to hear it! I think what the OP was trying to say is, When you try to control something through force it usually causes the opposite effect! A rebellian! If you don't believe me look up the amish and their reasons for having a hell week! I don't think he was saying we need to promote sexual conduct but edjucation! If a child want's to have sex they will find a way unless you lock them in the closet"! better off explaining to them why they should abstain but if they feel they are mature enough and in love enough to handle a relationship then that's a decision that should be up to a mature adolesent! If all these reasons are valid then I would be fine with protected conduct under my roof though i would'nt be happy about it!
I would however be alot less happy if they were out in the woods somewhere a maniac could harm them!
I would also be less happy if my son or daughter hid their social life from me and was afraid to come to me if they were in trouble! I don't want my kids afraid of talking to me for dam sure! If we teach them well enough they will make the right decisions and when they don't they will tell us!

The world didn't want to hear how evil it was from Jesus either. Nothing new today at the end of the Age. But the OP's thread title is: "Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!", directly implying that Christian morality is to blame for the higher rates of abortion and teen-age pregnancy in the U.S. Despite well-constructed counter arguments by many posters, the OP's thesis remains. Pointing out how illogical it is to lay the blame on a group, when they created NONE of the cause of this sexual revolution which fueled the natural pagan outcome - the sacrifice of the fruit of that revolution - is symptomatic of unclear thinking and logic. I choose to set the bar high for my child which is as God teaches me. You may choose to set the bar based on what the world gives you. I have no issue with this because it is your decision. But if I choose to not inform my child what murder means, the world's beast WILL define it for him. As the beast is Satan's, it's very clear whom I will obey.

Originally posted by nosacrificenofreedom

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives" don't produce the occult tv and films that promote sex, drugs, violence and such which push it's new liberal morality onto the population, resulting in the vast majority of these 'unwanted' pregnancies.

"Hard-core Christian Right Conservatives' aren't the ones who defined these babies as 'unwanted'.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" don't push the killing of a baby as the solution to unwanted pregnancy nor did they legalise this murder.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" had absolutely zero to do with glorifying sex, the sexual revolution, nor the legalisation of baby killing.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" fight the same fight as Jesus - preaching the Word of Truth that the world does not want to hear. Likewise the preaching that the consequences of choosing evil leads to death, and thus abortion always follow heathenism and paganism because the fruit of the glorification of free sex must be disposed of in some manner. The sexual revolution was glorified in America, and within a decade the demand to make baby killing legal saw it's fulfillment.

"Hard-core Conservative Christians" will steadfastly follow the law of God written in their heart which is clear - abortion is murder, the deliberate taking of innocent life. They will also teach their children that glorifying sex and letting it's strong passions consume your every waking moment is nothing more than how many in Israel were led astray over the years.

"Hard-core Christian Conservatives" didn't introduce the sexual revolution, nor demand the right to butcher the unborn, nor produce any of the media that glorifies sex above God, nor teach the nation's children that a baby is a mass of cells and expendable. But yet OP, you blame them for the high incidence of abortion and teenage pregnancy in our lands. I don't think you understand just how illogical you sound. In fact, you simply want to rid this planet of the voice of Truth because it reminds you of just how evil it truly is. Put the blame where blame lies - with the people convinced that having free sex is so desirable that they justify any and all reasoning to uphold the killing of innocent babies which allows them to stay wallowing in a lifestyle whereby their sexual lusts can still be fulfilled.

yeh they preach truth. Their truth! I for one don't want to hear it! I think what the OP was trying to say is, When you try to control something through force it usually causes the opposite effect! A rebellian! If you don't believe me look up the amish and their reasons for having a hell week! I don't think he was saying we need to promote sexual conduct but edjucation! If a child want's to have sex they will find a way unless you lock them in the closet"! better off explaining to them why they should abstain but if they feel they are mature enough and in love enough to handle a relationship then that's a decision that should be up to a mature adolesent! If all these reasons are valid then I would be fine with protected conduct under my roof though i would'nt be happy about it!
I would however be alot less happy if they were out in the woods somewhere a maniac could harm them!
I would also be less happy if my son or daughter hid their social life from me and was afraid to come to me if they were in trouble! I don't want my kids afraid of talking to me for dam sure! If we teach them well enough they will make the right decisions and when they don't they will tell us!

The world didn't want to hear how evil it was from Jesus either. Nothing new today at the end of the Age. But the OP's thread title is: "Hey Hard-Core Christian Right Conservatives! Here's How Backwards You Really Are!!!", directly implying that Christian morality is to blame for the higher rates of abortion and teen-age pregnancy in the U.S. Despite well-constructed counter arguments by many posters, the OP's thesis remains. Pointing out how illogical it is to lay the blame on a group, when they created NONE of the cause of this sexual revolution which fueled the natural pagan outcome - the sacrifice of the fruit of that revolution - is symptomatic of unclear thinking and logic. I choose to set the bar high for my child which is as God teaches me. You may choose to set the bar based on what the world gives you. I have no issue with this because it is your decision. But if I choose to not inform my child what murder means, the world's beast WILL define it for him. As the beast is Satan's, it's very clear whom I will obey.

reply to post by milominderbinder

There is no such thing as 'free contraception'. Somewhere someone pays for it.
And parents have a right to raise their children as they see fit ..
And governments do NOT have a right to interfere with how parents raise their children.

Originally posted by ShotGunRum
Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

And you don't think that the anti-christian far left doesn't want to control people?
That's what big government is all about .. government controlling people.

Originally posted by milominderbinder
Teens are 86% LESS likely to get pregnant and 87.1% LESS likely to have an abortion when they live under the liberal permissiveness of European-style socialism ....

"Liberal permissiveness" is so much better .....
Youtube ... one man, four women, six babies

I take it you've never watched Maury or Springer ... Excellent example of how sexually 'out of control' people just don't care about themselves, their children, or the drag they are on society. We all get stuck caring for these idiots and their children. 'Birth control' is literally free at any Planned Parenthood office and condoms can be bought for really cheap in any gas station or convenience store ... and yet this type of thing happens and happens and happens.

I double dog dare ya' to watch 3 or 4 Maury episodes and then come back and tell us how liberal permissiveness is better for society than people who practice sexual self control.

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According to christian religion, god created both man, woman, free will, abortion, contraceptives, underage sex, but he only looks down on all but two of these things.

Originally posted by ShotGunRum
Christians just want to control people. That's all religion is about; control.

I just want to submit a personal observation here. I have a friend whose parents are 'born-again Christians'.
They are two of the kindest, most loving people I have ever met.

I also have a couple friends who could be considered left-wing liberals. More and more, I see these people bitterly resenting anyone who disagrees with their views. They don't even want to allow you to have differing views. They insist on "educating" anyone who disagrees.

Who's trying to control people?

reply to post by Kargun

According to forbe 60% of ALL charity in the US is Christian based. I gave 15% of my measly money last year to by a farm in Zambia to a family of 6. What have you done?

Id like to challange any Christian basher on here to just meet my level of commitment to help those in need.

Matthew 6:1-4

"Beware of practicing your righteousness before men to be noticed by them; otherwise you have no reward with your Father who is in heaven. 2So when you give to the poor, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, so that they may be honored by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 3"But when you give to the poor, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4so that your giving will be in secret; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you."

Need I say more?

This is the typical leftist liberal communist way of thinking. Stay home stoned, having orgasms and totally oblivious to everything around you. The government love people like you. You’re easy to herd. In this day and age where the government, as you know, is trying to control everything the populous wears, eats, drives, thinks, why is it so CRAZY to think that the populous can’t control sexual urges? I believe humans have great control over their urges, all urges, every day! Otherwise we would be living in anarchy as some would like. So what do you think would keep someone that doesn't like you from tracking you down and killing you? That’s right, self-control, everyone has it, and they just have to exercise it.