Consequences of Knowing

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

What are you?

I am nothing and I am all there is.

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And what is that?

Everything and nothing. I am all there is.

Yes, you said that already. I would like to know what everything and nothing is.

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It is all that is. It is this.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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It is all that is. It is this.

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I agree. Is love of this appropriate or is that furthering the illusion? Is Love absolute like this is?

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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It is all that is. It is this.

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I agree. Is love of this appropriate or is that furthering the illusion? Is Love absolute like this is?

Love (unconditioned) is what this is.
You cannot love it because that makes two.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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It is all that is. It is this.

edit on 8-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I agree. Is love of this appropriate or is that furthering the illusion? Is Love absolute like this is?

Love (unconditioned) is what this is.
You cannot love it because that makes two.

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But how is that what this is? You cannot know what this is, can you. Isn't this being love just your own subjective interpretation of what this is?

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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It is all that is. It is this.

edit on 8-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I agree. Is love of this appropriate or is that furthering the illusion? Is Love absolute like this is?

Love (unconditioned) is what this is.
You cannot love it because that makes two.

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But how is that what this is? You cannot know what this is, can you. Isn't this being love just your own subjective interpretation of what this is?

What is appearing presently has not been conditioned by words until the seeker places words upon it. 'This' is unconditioned. When seeing and hearing happens without going to the mind and believing the words (conditioning) it speaks, 'this' will be known to be what love really is.

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But I don't know what this is.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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But I don't know what this is.

The seeker seeks to find this, but it wants to beable to describe it.
This is.
The mind can't accept this because it has no words for it. This is why it is missed because the mind can't label it.

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This is indescribable. So how can you describe it as love?

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Because it has not any words or judgements against it. It is unconditioned. It is wordless.
It also feels like love. There is no fear so embraces all.

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Although you can take the conditioning caused by words away, you can't remove all conditioning because you are still seeing from a human viewpoint. You are bound to conditioning through your anatomy. You have not forgotten the labels you once described things as. You still use the information you have learned and still apply it to your life. Only now, you also know that your perspective is not absolute.

So its okay to have a subjective perspective as long as you know it is not absolute. But it is even more okay to do what you know you can do to soften the illusions as much as you can. And that will probably enough to at least end your suffering.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Because it has not any words or judgements against it. It is unconditioned. It is wordless.
It also feels like love. There is no fear so embraces all.

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Right, I fully agree, but that doesn't mean that this is love, it only means that this feels love.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
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Because it has not any words or judgements against it. It is unconditioned. It is wordless.
It also feels like love. There is no fear so embraces all.

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Right, I fully agree, but that doesn't mean that this is love, it only means that this feels love.

What are you referring to when you say that 'this' feels love?

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This.

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So you think there is a this that feels love?
That is two.
'This' is not a something that can feel another something (love).

This is nothing appearing as everything. Or rather this is no form appearing (as form).

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I think that this neither feels nor doesn't feel.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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I think that this neither feels nor doesn't feel.

There is no you.
There is only what is happening. Feelings happen.
Contraction feels awful. Boundlessness feels divine.

The contraction is seeking. Boundlessness is when seeking ceases.

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The term, "you" is subjective. The fact is that existence is absolute.

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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The term, "you" is subjective. The fact is that existence is absolute.

Nice words but what does it mean?

"The fact is that existence is absolute." End quote.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by smithjustinb
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The term, "you" is subjective. The fact is that existence is absolute.

Nice words but what does it mean?

"The fact is that existence is absolute." End quote.

Existence is what is. There is no meaning that is absolute. The meaning is to be.