Drugs can't stop this deadly bacteria stalking 42 states!

OK...this is scary!
CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. -- The doctors tried one antibiotic after another, racing to stop the infection as it tore through the man's body, but nothing worked.

In a matter of days after the middle-aged patient arrived at University of Virginia Medical Center, the stubborn bacteria in his blood had fought off even what doctors consider "drugs of last resort."

"It was very alarming; it was the first time we'd seen that kind of resistance," says Amy Mathers, one of the hospital's infectious disease specialists. "We didn't know what to offer the patient."

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reply to post by nighthawk1954


Scaremongering much?

It has been around for several years, it attacks the weakest and it's limited to medical facilities. It sounds a lot like the MRSA infection in the UK, which is dealt with through thorough cleaning of wards and more in-depth cleaning of staff.

The death rate is 40%.

More people die from crossing the street in the USA every year than they do from this.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Well said

Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

Scaremongering much?

It has been around for several years, it attacks the weakest and it's limited to medical facilities. It sounds a lot like the MRSA infection in the UK, which is dealt with through thorough cleaning of wards and more in-depth cleaning of staff.

The death rate is 40%.

More people die from crossing the street in the USA every year than they do from this.

No more crossing the street 4 me.

reply to post by detachedindividual


i wouldn't call this scare mongering since it is on the rise and has no known cure it could very easily become a big problem rather quickly. CRE has enormous potential to become a massive beast. imagine going to the hospitol and finding out you have a better chance of dieing from CRE than your triple bypass surgery.

with quotes like this one from the OP's article.

"My concern is that there aren't a lot of methods in our tool kit that are significantly effective in curbing the spread of these infections," says Eli Perencevich, a professor and infectious disease doctor at the University of Iowa's Carver College of Medicine.

The spread of CRE threatens to change the face of health care, crippling hospital units that specialize in treatments such as organ transplants and chemotherapy, which rely on the ability to control infections in patients with weak immune systems.

If unchecked, "these (bacteria) are going to greatly impact the kind of surgeries (and) treatments we can have," Perencevich says. "We're entering the post-antibiotic era; that's a very big problem."

i have no choice but to pay attention since this isn't a conspiracy theory and is actually happening.

Reports like this always make me wonder if it's a man made or designer strain of disease. There are not too many bacterial infections out there that antibiotics can not have some kind of weakening effect upon. This infection is kind of scary in that regard.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Gee, only 40% death rate?
Nothing to worry about then....
C'mon, this is nasty business, it's spreading and they don't have any effective treatments for it.

In other words, it looked like a single resistance gene was jumping among different bacteria from the Enterobacteriaceae family, creating new bugs before their eyes.

Not all of those patients are symptomatic: The bacteria can lurk, unseen, until a carrier's immune system is compromised or until the bug finds a path into the body and infection sets in. And as those patients move from one facility to another, the bacteria move with them, often clinging to caregivers' hands -- and moving to new victims.

it can also remain dormant until opportunity for it's growth occurs.
I'd rather be informed than ignore something this dangerous.
One might want to check their hospital for known cases before scheduling surgery.
It could save your life potentially.
I'm pretty sure you check traffic before crossing the street, don't you?

If you're close to death already through age or weakened immune system, that's when it's a problem. Otherwise, you could expose everyone on this forum to these types of bacteria and you wouldn't even notice it.

Really its not the bacteria that's the problem, it's the people.

I have heard theres other less well known ways than anti biotics to weaken the bacteria infection of the blodstream.....
Perhaps alternate therapies and theories need to be investigated with much more fervor.....new drugs come and go, but the germs go on forever.....
the fight against disease will never end.....
Still, though we have made strides, we have also shot ourselves in both feet.....

Hmmm,
I wonder if the Baxter corp. has their fingers in this at all

People in this thread are talking about this like it's some kind of conspiracy - it's not. Well, it is. I mean, MRSA arose because of cutbacks to hospital cleaning staff to save money, less time to clean wards means less thorough bleaching of everything (bleach kills everything, but you can't just give someone a cup of bleach when they have MRSA), more things survive, chances of resistant bacteria surviving increase and so on.

The reason MRSA and more recently, VRSA (which I believe is the most recent strain, but the last time I did any research on this was just over a year or so ago) is a problem is that we can't kill it when it infects a person. We can kill it outside of the body as I said, with bleach or whatever bleach like substance hospitals use, but it is a colony of bacteria which has become resistant to antibiotics which are safe for humans.

We have several different types of antibiotics, unfortunately we've hit a stumbling block in terms of discovering new ones in the last decade or so. We have a few types which are slightly toxic to humans and are used as a last resort under close supervision in hospitals, but it's hard to make the doctors break them out because if things become resistant to those... We're in trouble.

Anyway, we have several different chemicals called antibiotics which can be used to kill bacteria. Let's just imagine for a minute that we have a strain of bacteria and it's vulnerable to all types of antibiotic. Here's how it becomes an unkillable monster:

(Actually I got half way though explaining vertical plasmid transmission before I realised I'll have to give you a quick rundown on bacterial DNA first. They are made up of the same genetic stuff as us really, and have DNA without a nucleus stored in the cytoplasm of a cell whereas our DNA is stored in a nucleus in the cytoplasm, this makes bacteria more prone to genetic mutation etc etc, this isn't really important. What IS important is the genetic material in a bacterium which is completely separate from the chromosomal DNA - these separate structures are called plasmids, small ring structures just floating in the bacterial cell like, well, a bacterium floating in our cells! These plasmids each do something incredibly specific, like plasmid a1 cause the production of a chemical which negates antibiotic a, while plasmid b1 will cause the production of a chemical which negates antibiotic b. Plasmids can replicate themselves independently of the host cell, which means a single bacterium with plasmid a1 can transfer a copy of that plasmid to every bacterium, even ones of another species, within range. This is called horizontal transfer. It also means that each offspring of the bacterium can have a copy of the plasmid, this is called vertical transfer. That should be enough background info to get the rest of the post.)

- Bacterial colony 1 is present and unwanted, humans decide to kill it by administering antibiotics.
- The humans administer the antibiotic a, and kill 99% of the colony 1. The remaining 1% of 1 are more resistant to antibiotic a due to the presence of plasmid a1.
- The antibiotic is withdrawn and the 1% manage to reform a massive colony which is resistant to a. They also pass the plasmid to other species of bacteria in your body which the antibiotic does not kill because they're "good" bacteria.
- Antibiotic b is introduced while the patient x is told off by his doctor for not finishing the course of antibiotics as instructed because he felt better half way through.
- X finishes the course of b properly, the colony 1 is destroyed. However, a will never again be useful to X because of the widespread presence of a1 throughout his body.

This happens regularly, and recently we've had the brilliant idea of trying to prescribe the same antibiotic to everyone nationally at the same time in order to prolong their effectiveness, i.e.plasmids for y and z are not widespread because they haven't been used much.

VRSA is a strain of staph which has multiple resistances because of the above mentioned process. It happened because people didn't do as they were told by their doctors and because doctors didn't think through their prescriptions properly. That's all changed now, it's harder to get antibiotics, and systems are in place to make each type last longer.

MRSA is relatively under control, you may have it on you right now, which is why you are now swabbed in the nose and crotch before surgery. It can be killed easily when on the skin with some rubbing alcohol.

All in all, there are much much bigger medical crises facing us, MRSA is a bug we let get out of hand and now we're seeing the results, but they're not something we need to flip out over.

reply to post by cavalryscout


Nah, if you made it past 3rd street, you'll be fine.

Antibiotic resistant bacteria is the single greatest threat to mankind. Not scare mongering, it is fact. Carbepenem resistant enterobacteria is particularly troubling, especially for women. Why? Here's some figures for you. 40% of women will get a urinary ytract infection in their lifetime, extremely common. About 80% of those are caused by E. coli. MRSA emerged in the 60's, and is now widespread. If carbepenem resistance follows a similar timeline, with the absence of new antibiotics, last line of defense for enterobacteria, we may see a significant population decline in 40 years. Shrug it off if you want to.