UFO photographed over Area 51

Originally posted by nv4711
Surveillance Drone

I wonder how the pictures of the guys taking the pictures turned out?

reply to post by studio500


Great idea to superimpose those pictures, seems to prove that the object traveled from left to right then moved vertically, strange for a hubcap. Maybe a radio controlled ducted fan device(?).

It is that 3rd picture that troubles me though. If the object has gained height would not the base have been illuminated by the sun? (Of course the sun is behind the photographer, can not see how anyone thought otherwise.) I just do not see why it should appear so dark, as if in shadow.

As two of the images are so alike and the third so different, is it just possible that some manipulation has gone on and in the third picture the manipulator forgot to add highlights or just forgot where the sun was?

Anyone been able to see what is being viewed by the camera the photographer is holding? If that showed the object that would be interesting.

Bearing in mind the recent Indian/China accusations of "Tennis ball sized" orange orbs, the idea of some sort of security surveillance object does seem very possible.

Question:

In the MUFON case, it says this:

Two or three people began snapping photos of a shiny object in the sky

So, are the images from one camera or multiple cameras? Not sure if the EXIF info for the images posted indicated a second or 3rd camera involved.

Originally posted by gavron
So, are the images from one camera or multiple cameras? Not sure if the EXIF info for the images posted indicated a second or 3rd camera involved.

The EXIF indicates that the three images were taken with the same camera: a Panasonic DMC-FH8:

reply to post by elevenaugust

Thanks! Was curious since it did mention multiple people taking photos (maybe even with the same model), but we only have images from the one camera. Would love to see the other pics.

why are they always so small, so far away, so blurry so BS! Why not close, big suckers like the USS enterprise or something comes flying around. Something that we can clearly tell that it's a UFO and not some annomoly

To me it seems that the shadow for the "ufo" is a bit small. If this was a flying craft you would think the shadow would cover more area since it isn't that high in the sky. That's my 2 cents on this. Personally I think it might just be a remote controlled toy that someone decided to play around with near area 51 to freak some people out.

IMO the "UFO" is not casting shadow.

If it is then lol fail on faking since shadows are casting in other direction on stop sign.

I keep wondering what it is that is casting the shadow on the hill on the second image? If one look at the object it seems it is lit from behind/above and perhaps slightly from the right which would make the shadow pretty accurate.

Fake or not, hoax or not, that second photo do puzzles me...
Well just sayin...

reply to post by gavron


The guy in the photo 'taking a picture' is classic misdirection. He's only there to make you think there's something there to take a picture. The object is actually much closer to directly above him. He's only pretending to take a picture.

It's just a joke on all the folks taken in by it.

reply to post by Akezzon


I commented on that shadow in my first post and agree, it is strange.

Shadows like that, on the land, are usually from clouds, low flying aircraft or perhaps a large bird. The size would suggest a cloud, but a rectangular one, that would be rare. Maybe someone else has some ideas what could have caused it.

There has been thoughts of planes that can appear invisible using a similar approach to that of the infamous disappearing tank. Redirecting light. Maybe we are only seeing a very small portion of the actual object or maybe it is a fake?

Whatever, on a dark, wet night, it is something else to think about while I sip the whiskey. Hehe.

reply to post by dowot


I also like to know HOW we know that the small dark spots in the pics really are shadows?
We can't really know for sure...still, most seem to be sure that they are, just like those who are certain that the object is real.
Since we can't really know if those are shadows or not, we can't really know what size that object is now, can we?
In other words...we know jack about what we are looking at.

Originally posted by elevenaugust

Looking by its shadow on the ground, seems like this is a small object somewhat close to the camera...

Thoughts?

edit on 17-11-2012 by elevenaugust because: (no reason given)

Agree, on two of the pics at least there are consistently sized and placed shadows that would indicate the object is small and close.

The location of the shadow in the first pic can be seen in the other and there is no mark there so not an oil patch or similar.

As for insects its always possible but it does seem unlikely they would be photographed in the correct location on two pictures for a small object close to the camera.

I think they are completely fake.

Only one of the images has the UFO centered in the view, and that happens to be the one with the guy pointing his camera at the wrong angle in the sky. That is very common for hoaxes that start off with empty pictures of the sky, and they later digitally add the UFO into the images.

It is common for amateur hoaxers to think that if they don't center the UFO in the image it would make it look more realistic, and that is what they did. But, they were forced to put the UFO in the center of one image because that is approximately where the other guy's camera was pointing. It is also common for amateur hoaxers to get the position of the UFO wrong when trying to make it look like someone else is taking a picture of it. Jerusalem UFO hoax ring a bell? The UFO is too high, making it look like the guy didn't even have the UFO in his camera viewfinder. Common mistake for people who don't have a good grasp of the laws of perspective.

If that is the shadow on the ground, then it is all wrong. A shadow shouldn't be the same size as the object if it is was that high off the ground. The shadow should be much larger. It also shouldn't be that sharp around the edges, the shadow should be much softer.

Also, if it is a real solid object that follows normal laws of physics, the light reflection on it is all wrong. It is not pointing at the Sun. However, this is a UFO, so everyone can argue it might not follow normal laws of physics to dismiss those types of errors in a hoax.

I think a couple guys went to Area 51 just for fun. Then decided to take a few pictures of an empty sky so they can later add a UFO to it, and then claim "Hey look we went to Area 51 and saw a UFO", in hopes of convincing people it is real simply because of the fact they are near Area 51...

reply to post by FireMoon


It's basically a rule of thumb on ATS that any UFO that the user "FireMoon" defends turns out to be a hoax 99.99% of the time. Really, look at the guys track record. He defends every and all UFO sightings posted on ATS no matter how fake and ridiculous they are, and they almost always turn out to be a hoax. I will laugh so hard when this UFO is proven to be a hoax.

Nice photos and whatever it is, it's obviously real and not Photoshopped but as a person already stated. I think it's either a hubcap or a Frisbee.