You want to see your ego? You're all idiots, pathetic, useless, scumbags, waste of humans

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by Wonders

 

Things only matter if you decide they do. That is the point and if you believe there is a natural law that determines that things matters it is most probably Ego-sense being very convinced it knows something. Words have power but only power in the way in which we believe they do.


Example.

A person was told all their life they were a failure. When ever the use the word failure it is directly related to an experience and feeling they have about themselves. For this person changing the word they use to describe not reaching their goal might change how the world is viewed through the ego sense and open up to new sensations and experience. Reinforcing/continually using the word failure might for this person reinforce that what ever they take on will not succeed. However for another person who have never associated with the word failure, it might simply not affect them at all using it.

Since this is a thread about Ego it is fairly obvious to see when a discussion reaches the state yours have that there are two strong ego's involved and neither one are willing to take a leap of faith to see where it lands. Have you considered that both of you may be correct and it is just a matter of where you stand when you look at the problem that differs here? In either case what purpose does getting upset serve in a conversation in a thread with a stranger online? Does it really matter what the other writer believes, or are you simply trying to stroke your ego-sense and prove to yourself that what it believes is right?

Wonders what would happen with this conversation if both took the view and argued for the others point for a moment with the same passion as you argue your own points. Might some learning about the ego occur?


Much love to both.

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Like "screwed" said, being called a fat a** doesn't bother me because I'm simply not fat. Consider the source, they say.
YES, I was just thinking about that yesterday, how two different people with different perspectives can both be correct.
I didn't get upset, I don't know what kind of intonation people choose to attach to my words when they read them.
IF it doesn't really matter to you what other people believe, then why come to me, why does it matter what I believe? Did you think I would be more receptive than "screwed" that you'd speak concerning his opinions that don't "really matter" or did you want me to get back in line and shut up, honestly, I believe it's the latter.
And I do think that "screwed" does have a point, though everyone here might recant if I suggest that what the thread is basically about is biblical, but I've always been against the fact that some people aren't sure what it means to be humble with regard to their own life. You see, my opinions are mine, but that doesn't mean that I should be greedy with them, so when people think that having humility means unnecessesarily calling themselves "screwed" or something to that effect, memory serves me that the bible says to love your neighbor as yourself, and this verse has been twisted to mean, "love your neighbor more than you love yourself", everyone first, then you.....BUT even the word love has been twisted too. People take love to mean that we'll walk on eggshells on tip toes so as not to offend anyone, that is NOT biblical at all and yet the world pretends it's read and understood and tested out the bible and found it to be trash, well, people just don't want to know that the bible calls SOME people worthless, wonder why? It couldn't be for lack of vocal chords. And what good is freedom of speech anyway when the morality police trys to reason you into thinking it's oh so wise to be a mute.

Originally posted by Wonders

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by Wonders

 

Things only matter if you decide they do. That is the point and if you believe there is a natural law that determines that things matters it is most probably Ego-sense being very convinced it knows something. Words have power but only power in the way in which we believe they do.


.......

Wonders what would happen with this conversation if both took the view and argued for the others point for a moment with the same passion as you argue your own points. Might some learning about the ego occur?


Much love to both.

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Like "screwed" said, being called a fat a** doesn't bother me because I'm simply not fat. Consider the source, they say.
YES, I was just thinking about that yesterday, how two different people with different perspectives can both be correct.
I didn't get upset, I don't know what kind of intonation people choose to attach to my words when they read them.
IF it doesn't really matter to you what other people believe, then why come to me, why does it matter what I believe? Did you think I would be more receptive than "screwed" that you'd speak concerning his opinions that don't "really matter" or did you want me to get back in line and shut up, honestly, I believe it's the latter.
And I do think that "screwed" does have a point, though everyone here might recant if I suggest that what the thread is basically about is biblical, but I've always been against the fact that some people aren't sure what it means to be humble with regard to their own life. You see, my opinions are mine, but that doesn't mean that I should be greedy with them, so when people think that having humility means unnecessesarily calling themselves "screwed" or something to that effect, memory serves me that the bible says to love your neighbor as yourself, and this verse has been twisted to mean, "love your neighbor more than you love yourself", everyone first, then you.....BUT even the word love has been twisted too. People take love to mean that we'll walk on eggshells on tip toes so as not to offend anyone, that is NOT biblical at all and yet the world pretends it's read and understood and tested out the bible and found it to be trash, well, people just don't want to know that the bible calls SOME people worthless, wonder why? It couldn't be for lack of vocal chords. And what good is freedom of speech anyway when the morality police trys to reason you into thinking it's oh so wise to be a mute.

Are these questions directed at me in response to what I wrote or are they just in general? I am not sure I follow.
I simply stated my observation of your conversation directed at neither or both and added my thoughts on my perception of the direction your discussion was taking.

Love is an entirely different topic all together although one could say it is also the only topic, again it depends on where you are looking at the question from. All is always as it is supposed to be and within the only context it can be. However my point was that learning takes place when we step out of our ego sense of right and into the point of view of our perceived opposition. Whether we come out of that experience more or less convinced that our original perception was correct or not is not relevant but what is is the whole experience of taking an opposing point of view frees us from the chains of Ego and propels us into the world of possibilities.

Since the original topic of the thread was Ego I thought my perceptions might be relevant under this context.

much love

Originally posted by dominicus
You're an [SNIP]. Be aware of the minds reaction.

You're an Idiot. Be aware of the minds reaction.

You're pathetic, useless, scumbags, waste of humans. Be aware of the minds reaction.

Yes, we are. But being human is trying to be more than that. It's to be beautiful, imaginative, greater, and not a waste.

I don't believe in the existence of "ego"... I'm a scientist. I think what you would call "ego" is simply the presence of defence mechanism and definition of oneself. A sometimes necessary set of mechanism without which one would have no self-respect or confidence.

Originally posted by IAmD1

Originally posted by Wonders

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by Wonders

 

Things only matter if you decide they do. That is the point and if you believe there is a natural law that determines that things matters it is most probably Ego-sense being very convinced it knows something. Words have power but only power in the way in which we believe they do.


.......

Wonders what would happen with this conversation if both took the view and argued for the others point for a moment with the same passion as you argue your own points. Might some learning about the ego occur?


Much love to both.

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Like "screwed" said, being called a fat a** doesn't bother me because I'm simply not fat. Consider the source, they say.
YES, I was just thinking about that yesterday, how two different people with different perspectives can both be correct.
I didn't get upset, I don't know what kind of intonation people choose to attach to my words when they read them.
IF it doesn't really matter to you what other people believe, then why come to me, why does it matter what I believe? Did you think I would be more receptive than "screwed" that you'd speak concerning his opinions that don't "really matter" or did you want me to get back in line and shut up, honestly, I believe it's the latter.
And I do think that "screwed" does have a point, though everyone here might recant if I suggest that what the thread is basically about is biblical, but I've always been against the fact that some people aren't sure what it means to be humble with regard to their own life. You see, my opinions are mine, but that doesn't mean that I should be greedy with them, so when people think that having humility means unnecessesarily calling themselves "screwed" or something to that effect, memory serves me that the bible says to love your neighbor as yourself, and this verse has been twisted to mean, "love your neighbor more than you love yourself", everyone first, then you.....BUT even the word love has been twisted too. People take love to mean that we'll walk on eggshells on tip toes so as not to offend anyone, that is NOT biblical at all and yet the world pretends it's read and understood and tested out the bible and found it to be trash, well, people just don't want to know that the bible calls SOME people worthless, wonder why? It couldn't be for lack of vocal chords. And what good is freedom of speech anyway when the morality police trys to reason you into thinking it's oh so wise to be a mute.

Are these questions directed at me in response to what I wrote or are they just in general? I am not sure I follow.
I simply stated my observation of your conversation directed at neither or both and added my thoughts on my perception of the direction your discussion was taking.

Love is an entirely different topic all together although one could say it is also the only topic, again it depends on where you are looking at the question from. All is always as it is supposed to be and within the only context it can be. However my point was that learning takes place when we step out of our ego sense of right and into the point of view of our perceived opposition. Whether we come out of that experience more or less convinced that our original perception was correct or not is not relevant but what is is the whole experience of taking an opposing point of view frees us from the chains of Ego and propels us into the world of possibilities.

Since the original topic of the thread was Ego I thought my perceptions might be relevant under this context.

much love

"Does it really matter what the other writer believes, or are you simply trying to stroke your ego-sense and prove to yourself that what it believes is right?"

Do you normally ask people questions like this or only those you feel superior to?

reply to post by swan001

I don't believe in the existence of "ego"... I'm a scientist. I think what you would call "ego" is simply the presence of defence mechanism and definition of oneself. A sometimes necessary set of mechanism without which one would have no self-respect or confidence.

Doesn't matter that you don't believe in something because if that something exists, it does not rely on a whether or not someone believes it or not.

The problem may be that your a scientist. When in reality, a somewhat deeper comprehension of psychology is required for not only grasping the point of this thread, but even for you to become aware of your own ego. Understanding various philosophical concepts also helps

reply to post by dominicus


Or maybe the ego exists only because you believe in it. Meaning, it's a mythological entity. An attempt to explain things we can't comprehend fully. A human simplification of more complex thinking processes.

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Well then phase II would be sorting things out. Not every strong reaction within is bad ego. I often act for the sake of others anyway and calm my ego with the understanding that you just cant reach some people.

reply to post by Wonders


I ask the same questions of everyone and I really have no sense of inferiority or superiority towards anyone or thing with regards to philosophical discussions. Everyone and thing has it's purpose and place within existence. There is no difference between me or you or the other persons or beings when looking at the bigger picture. We are all reflections of being and we are all teachers and students of our own existence.

But for the sakes of this discussion my expression of existence has a certain set of experiences and learnings that have all lead to the above understanding at the moment of writing. They are not solid beliefs nor are they shared for any other reason than to be food for thought. If another expression of existence feel my thoughts are useful to their own growth so be it, if they are not they are free to disregard them. I really have no other motivation for sharing than that.

much love

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by Wonders

 

I ask the same questions of everyone and I really have no sense of inferiority or superiority towards anyone or thing with regards to philosophical discussions. Everyone and thing has it's purpose and place within existence. There is no difference between me or you or the other persons or beings when looking at the bigger picture. We are all reflections of being and we are all teachers and students of our own existence.

But for the sakes of this discussion my expression of existence has a certain set of experiences and learnings that have all lead to the above understanding at the moment of writing. They are not solid beliefs nor are they shared for any other reason than to be food for thought. If another expression of existence feel my thoughts are useful to their own growth so be it, if they are not they are free to disregard them. I really have no other motivation for sharing than that.

much love

You and I ARE different, don't let your "ego-sense" be blinded now. Anything can be food for thought, that doesn't make it worth knowing. "Expression of existence"....wow, thankfully I AM free to disregard, no permission necessary. You're a strange expression of existence, just food for thought, no other motivation than that.

Originally posted by Wonders

Originally posted by IAmD1
reply to post by Wonders

 

I ask the same questions of everyone and I really have no sense of inferiority or superiority towards anyone or thing with regards to philosophical discussions. Everyone and thing has it's purpose and place within existence. There is no difference between me or you or the other persons or beings when looking at the bigger picture. We are all reflections of being and we are all teachers and students of our own existence.

But for the sakes of this discussion my expression of existence has a certain set of experiences and learnings that have all lead to the above understanding at the moment of writing. They are not solid beliefs nor are they shared for any other reason than to be food for thought. If another expression of existence feel my thoughts are useful to their own growth so be it, if they are not they are free to disregard them. I really have no other motivation for sharing than that.

much love

You and I ARE different, don't let your "ego-sense" be blinded now. Anything can be food for thought, that doesn't make it worth knowing. "Expression of existence"....wow, thankfully I AM free to disregard, no permission necessary. You're a strange expression of existence, just food for thought, no other motivation than that.

Thank you

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Bumpity bumpity bump ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

^^^^^^^^^^^^ Its time to see the Ego Dump^^^^^^^^^^

A funny thing is,
When I saw the title of this thread (first time I've seen it, though apparently it isn't new)
My first thought was- why does this guy feel so terrible about himself?

I observe that I have, over the years, gained an almost subconscious habit of perceiving posters on the net as examples of that which they say. I guess along the lines of that thing we said as kids- "I know you are, but what am I?" -except that I assume no one else can answer the question "what am I?" except me.... by what I say, how I say it....I look back upon my words and they tell me about me.

Maybe this was sparked the way our words stay up to be seen over time, whereas when spoken, there is only the memory of them and that can be twisted, deformed, forgotten, according to what you already think of yourself.

Or maybe it was the repeatedly observed phenomena that the subject of a thread always takes place in that thread-
Talk about trolls, trolling will happen. Talk about sexism, sexism will happen. Talk about hypocrisy, there will be hypocrisy in that thread, talk about egoism, there will be egoism arising in that thread... in action in how people interact, no matter what the claims.

I don't know, but whatever people seem to be choosing to crusade against, they either become, or they were already, and in denial about it- which is why it caught their attention.

When we think we are saying something for another, it might be always actually for ourself- like our soul or unconscious speaking to our awareness through our own verbalizations, and using others as examples.

Eh... I am having trouble being clear explaining an experience I have.
But when I see a post which calls another names, or makes insults towards another, my automatic assumption (for whatever reason ) is that they are actually describing most accurately their self.

I didn't find myself feeling any defensiveness in that title, but a curiosity, as to how a person might get feeling this negative about their self. I often have a curiosity about psychological mechanisms and processes, which is probably normal because I am a mother, so considering long term effects upon the mind and behavior is essential in the forming of a human.

a reply to: dominicus

hahahahaha!!!

your OP made my ego laugh

thank you

a reply to: Bluesma

"That which we speak most fervently trends to be directed towards ourselves."

I have always found it good practice to go back through what I have written a bit further down the line. It always seems to hit home.

a reply to: dominicus

the ego is a mask and certainly awareness exists beyond this mask.when experiencing ego death, or loss. the ego dose not die nor is lost , awareness is sepperated from the ego allowing a truly unfiltered non bias experience ( usually accompanied by mystical enlightenment/ existintial crisis,hallucinations are common as well). The ego must exist, for you to experience or interact with reality as it is. without it you would litterly be unable to communicate your simplist need. the ego must not be fed lies and must be seen as a tool, the ego is merely an outward expression of our ideal self, to be happy our ideals and desires must be as obtainable, and as close to our inward self as possible. without this balance neurosis and personality disorders are inevitable, and for some sociopathy .

a reply to: dominicus

how does one master the ego?

i hope you dont mean destroying it.

it is a misconception that one could even find a way to destroy their ego, and to what end. their is a difference in the pride gained through hard work, than the silly inflation of ones self. without the ego we could see no difference, the ego,firmly grounds us in this reality.

I would have to agree with this post 110% .. It's unfortunate ; the modern day ego that is. Since birth we're plunged into an egotistical, material world without much knowledge of who, what, when, where, & why so to speak. It's all about money, work, the newest trend, which Kardashian sister got surgery blah blah blah.. We occupy so much of our time focusing on things that are entirely irrelevant to the growing process. Darkness is only a lack of light or love and most people are totally in the dark. They fail to realize the level of their ignorance. Truth hurts and brings change, no one likes change. But it's absolutely essential. You can stay in your shallow pool of comfort but unless you can learn to strip away every layer of the "defense mechanism onion" you have created since being old enough to understand, you will constantly remain unhappy and a slave to that which we call the ego. You can try to teach others, but you cannot force them.. One can only change when they want to. I believe that yes we are imperfect in every stretch of the word. But we are human and "time" is our biggest friend. Change is good and you will never see the other side unless you attempt to broaden your state of understanding. Why put off tomorrow what you can start to accomplish today?


Side note : Be warned that ego death is the ultimate truth of reality. You will be aware of the true nature of the universe and may just become the lone wolf as there remain many sheep.

a reply to: t3xasblu3bonn3t

experiencing the coined term ego death, dose not destroy your ego, even as you were writing your post, you were firmly grounded in your ego. the ego is not a bad thing, it is a form of communication arguably the most ancient. yes the ego can be highly inflated , but even then it is not the ego that is bad. the ego is a program its purpose to signify and express the ideal you. but once again the inward , and personal self must be as close to the ego as possible, otherwise pychological disorders will result.There is also much to be gained from the experience of "ego loss" , as ive said enlightenment can result. on the flip side one can have an existintial crisis that injures their mental health. so there is no cookie cutter,cure all, for our sickness as a society, i will say improving education and values, is as close as we can get to an all around improvement.

a reply to: TechniXcality
Well put , I didn't word my post as well as I could have. I didn't intend to mean that "ego death" is permanent, rather a temporary dissipation of instead. It is rather beneficial. I have experienced it and I must say that as terrifying as it was at first I'm more than grateful. It wasn't a curse rather it was a blessing, showing what I've been and what I can do to change. When I experienced it I hit in my life what we call "rock bottom". I was at the point of having lost my morals, goals, selflessness etc. And was completely self absorbed and ignorant. Life is all about balance though so yes we need the ego to learn. We have to endure the rain to see the sun shine.