The GOP is sunk and Obama's legacy will be carnage. Rise of the 3rd Parties guranteed.

reply to post by Chance321


I see you're too young to remember the Reagan years when he racked up quite a bit of debt. Ditto for the Bush I and II years with their phony wars of conquest, etc.

Where did you get that 16 trillion figure? Did you pull it out of your ass?

reply to post by Hawking


George Bush did.......

reply to post by PaxVeritas


I think you are right, no one wants to vote for Christian fundamentalists. On the other hand, everyone wants to vote for Obama right now because they don't know what is coming... if the government has no money and can't pay its social programs, that will leave a lot of people wishing they had taken the time to improve their lives on their own.

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I think a lot of us here, would welcome the 3rd party rise. I think voters are getting tired of selecting between two extremes and parties that don't allow for any dissension away from their political platforms. It's time for new ideas and candidates that bring the best of both parties together. I also think ending the electoral vote and going with the majority vote is gaining more support. Having said that, I'm not holding my breath.

reply to post by Thepump


LOL, you're quoting Bloomberg as the definite source of the state of the economy??

Might as well get it right from the White House, same baloney, different mouths spewing it.

Small business loans are not impossible to get by any means. If your particular business is doing good, then bully for you, but don't confuse small pockets of relative prosperity with a total healing of our economy.

Quantitative Easing ad naseum is doing nothing but staving off the inevitable. But, in typical fashion for many people, if you're doing okay, then you think the whole country must be fine. Our economy is off the cliff already, but since we haven't hit bottom yet, you assume that we're flying high.

All "metrics" you may quote are cooked numbers and do not reflect the actual state of our economy. The few people you hire will do nothing to stem the tide of unemployment, just as using an eye dropper to suck a few drops out of the flood that hit the east coast will do nothing to stop the damage.

reply to post by projectvxn


Well put, young fellow-- and I wish infrequently there were oak leaf
clusters to add with the star. This is one of those times. Our political
system is shot, and the freewheeling pendulum may hopefully show
on this hitch to everyone it's only one clock up there that's busted.
From the little 'idealogical grid test' , I shook out 90-90% Liber, and
am not ashamed. Maybe someday the people who only take will see
they must also contribute for the system to survive. I personally feel
no surprise to being let go from my job the Friday after the election,
plans are already made.
Finally on this most important (IMO) of our national holidays: my thanks
and that of my countrymen for your faithful service and sacrifices. It's
a holiday because all life is sacred. A toast to absent friends....

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag

Where did you get that 16 trillion figure? Did you pull it out of your ass?

Maybe he heard it from these guys.

www.washingtontimes.com...

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Chance321

 

I see you're too young to remember the Reagan years when he racked up quite a bit of debt. Ditto for the Bush I and II years with their phony wars of conquest, etc.

Where did you get that 16 trillion figure? Did you pull it out of your ass?

Wow, seems somehow I touched a nerve there sunshine. Well, check out this link: www.usdebtclock.org...
As for the Reagan years you might be too old to realise that it wasn't that long ago and I do remember those years and don't remember him running the debt as high as obama. thenationaldebtcrisis.com...
President Reagans debt first term: was a $656Billion increase, Second term: $1.036Trillion
obama first YEAR: $1.573 Trillion.
President George H.W. Bush’s Term – $1.587 trillion increase

President George W. Bush’s First Term – $1.885 trillion increase
Second Term- $3.014 trillion increase

And just as a reminder obamas debt in his first YEAR- $1.587 trillion increase
thenationaldebtcrisis.com...

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by ErgoTheConclusion

Originally posted by Thepump
What ever, (anyone mentioning potential collapse) have been saying we are doomed for 70 years.

Do you think 70 years is a long time when it comes to world affairs and the rise and fall of civilizations?

NOTE: I edited the comment I replied to in order to make it generic for anyone that says "things can't continue like this".

In those 70 years we have became the world's #1, undisputed, super power...

What are the implication of that, when you consider my comment in it's context?

Some think 70 years is a long time.

Livestock are generally fattened before slaughter.

Gleefully walking backwards in the direction of a cliff and saying "Haven't fallen off yet and scenery's never been better!" when others tell say "Those who walk that path eventually fall off a cliff". Movement into the "future" without having "seen the future".

"Pride cometh before the fall" and all that old fogey puffery.

All wave peaks have troughs on both sides.

I'll be surprised if 3rd partys gain much traction as long as the MSM is in control. If any do it will probably be because the MSM supports them, and that will mean they're just more of the same.

I don't think Obama won. I think Romney won but he wasn't the empty suit( well maybe he would be) that they want as POTUS. yes, I'm talking voter fraud. In my county we're divided up into four congressional districts. All the incumbent republicans won. But they won by a higher margin than Romney won over Obama. Obama was not popular, there were practically no elections signs for Obama county wide( they said they didn't see the need to spend the money, a first). Obama is owned by the big banks and investment houses and will bend over and do what they tell him. I doubt he'll let the tax cuts go and he definitely won't close the loopholes for top corporations.
Anyway, Obama has no mandate no matter what they say and support for him is weak even amongst his own. he'll be a very successful scapegoat, a rich one we're all encouraged to hate when he's done.

Originally posted by Thepump

You guys are gonna hate it when he is called a "hero" for doing something that time takes care of

I'm to the (far) left and just have tell you all - time is not on your side.
Strong decisive political action is needed and the republican majority in US House of Representatives will stop what must be done, stop that dead!
GOP has to recognize the enormous dept USA is in. And accept the fault does not lie with mainstreet. But this can't happen - todays republicans are simply too corrupt.