The GOP is sunk and Obama's legacy will be carnage. Rise of the 3rd Parties guranteed.

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
reply to post by Thepump

 

Any room over there in the Bizarro world?

And I'm actually a very positive person. Just not a blind one.
Other than the occasional Drudge, I don't touch right wing.
Better to seek to survive and thrive during difficult times than to embrace ignorance and false hope.

What is false?

Half this website thinks that the world is gonna end because Obama was reelected, that is pretty bizarre.

America made through a civil war, we crushed the Nazi hoard and we made it through this lasted challenge.

What is going to change the nature of our resiliency?

If you'd look at things differently, you would enjoy your life more and you'd probably see that things
are much better than Jan 2008 when we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

Confidence among U.S. consumers climbed to a five-year high in November, improving the prospects of bigger spending gains that will help spur the expansion. The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary consumer sentiment index rose to 84.9, the fourth straight increase and the highest since July 2007, from 82.6 in October. Economists projected an initial reading of 82.9 for November, according to the median estimate of 71 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

reply to post by Thepump


So...what you're telling me is that because people 'think' the economy is getting better, through no direct relief on consumers, that makes the economy better? How does the money get out of the companies and back into the communities?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


True. Its funny what candidates on either side of the aisle have considered "mandates" in the last 4 elections. Nixon won by one of the most tremendous landslides in American history. I wonder if the above poster considers Nixon to be a great president.

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH

Confidence among U.S. consumers climbed to a five-year high in November, improving the prospects of bigger spending gains that will help spur the expansion. The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary consumer sentiment index rose to 84.9, the fourth straight increase and the highest since July 2007, from 82.6 in October. Economists projected an initial reading of 82.9 for November, according to the median estimate of 71 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

reply to post by Thepump

 

So...what you're telling me is that because people 'think' the economy is getting better, through no direct relief on consumers, that makes the economy better? How does the money get out of the companies and back into the communities?

Economics is a social science as much as it is a mathematical one. If people think things are getting better,
they will be more inclined to spend, more spending means growth, growth means more jobs. Consumer confidence is extremely important in economics, depressed and negative people, perpetuate negative outcomes.
Positivity begets more positive scenarios/ AKA sales.

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
reply to post by Thepump

 

Any room over there in the Bizarro world?

And I'm actually a very positive person. Just not a blind one.
Other than the occasional Drudge, I don't touch right wing.
Better to seek to survive and thrive during difficult times than to embrace ignorance and false hope.

What is false?

Half this website thinks that the world is gonna end because Obama was reelected, that is pretty bizarre.

America made through a civil war, we crushed the Nazi hoard and we made it through this lasted challenge.

What is going to change the nature of our resiliency?

If you'd look at things differently, you would enjoy your life more and you'd probably see that things
are much better than Jan 2008 when we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

No, just that America will not be what it once was and has succumb to the masses. That's not a good thing. Especially since the worlds countries are now linked to each other through the IMF and other world banks and directly through markets.

What is America today? Besides traitorous to her own people and to her allies, like Gaddafi, or Israel? What is she doing now that is so admirable? She invades other countries because of suspicious reasons and supports terrorist groups and sells weapons to criminals. Very admirable indeed.

The cancer is what is going to change our resiliency, and it grows more and more each day. Obama and company are feeding it with their policies and soon it will over take us all.

Looked at things differently? Through your hippie glasses? Or the ones that make you go back to your every day job like nothings wrong as the government takes more and more of our every day lives under its control?

And all these jobs you talk about? Yea, it's jobs that were once full time positions that are being cut into part times or low-pay-grade shifts.

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH

Confidence among U.S. consumers climbed to a five-year high in November, improving the prospects of bigger spending gains that will help spur the expansion. The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary consumer sentiment index rose to 84.9, the fourth straight increase and the highest since July 2007, from 82.6 in October. Economists projected an initial reading of 82.9 for November, according to the median estimate of 71 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

reply to post by Thepump

 

So...what you're telling me is that because people 'think' the economy is getting better, through no direct relief on consumers, that makes the economy better? How does the money get out of the companies and back into the communities?

Economics is a social science as much as it is a mathematical one. If people think things are getting better,
they will be more inclined to spend, more spending means growth, growth means more jobs. Consumer confidence is extremely important in economics, depressed and negative people, perpetuate negative outcomes.
Positivity begets more positive scenarios/ AKA sales.

It's not going to matter when no one makes any money at their jobs because of low pay and terrible hours and has to rely on the government just to get by. That money will quickly disappear into the economy, which the businesses are going to try and hold onto as much as they can, knowing they're the equivalent of a deer in the headlights to the government.

I actually liked Paul at one point. Its been a sad process slowly learning that he is a senile lunatic with his head shoved up Ayn Rand's behind

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH

Confidence among U.S. consumers climbed to a five-year high in November, improving the prospects of bigger spending gains that will help spur the expansion. The Thomson Reuters/University of Michigan preliminary consumer sentiment index rose to 84.9, the fourth straight increase and the highest since July 2007, from 82.6 in October. Economists projected an initial reading of 82.9 for November, according to the median estimate of 71 economists surveyed by Bloomberg.

reply to post by Thepump

 

So...what you're telling me is that because people 'think' the economy is getting better, through no direct relief on consumers, that makes the economy better? How does the money get out of the companies and back into the communities?

Economics is a social science as much as it is a mathematical one. If people think things are getting better,
they will be more inclined to spend, more spending means growth, growth means more jobs. Consumer confidence is extremely important in economics, depressed and negative people, perpetuate negative outcomes.
Positivity begets more positive scenarios/ AKA sales.

It's not going to matter when no one makes any money at their jobs because of low pay and terrible hours and has to rely on the government just to get by. That money will quickly disappear into the economy, which the businesses are going to try and hold onto as much as they can, knowing they're the equivalent of a deer in the headlights to the government.

Read your post again...

You assume that something monumental has changed in the fabric of reality.

I am not sure if we need to discuss anything since you have such an emotionally based perspective.

Time will tell, I am betting on America

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
reply to post by Thepump

 

Any room over there in the Bizarro world?

And I'm actually a very positive person. Just not a blind one.
Other than the occasional Drudge, I don't touch right wing.
Better to seek to survive and thrive during difficult times than to embrace ignorance and false hope.

What is false?

Half this website thinks that the world is gonna end because Obama was reelected, that is pretty bizarre.

America made through a civil war, we crushed the Nazi hoard and we made it through this lasted challenge.

What is going to change the nature of our resiliency?

If you'd look at things differently, you would enjoy your life more and you'd probably see that things
are much better than Jan 2008 when we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

Ad hominem attacks are for weaklings. I love life and enjoy it every day. Just as I will after the collapse. I prefer objectivity to fanciful yearnings and believing information specifically manufactured to make me feel warm and fuzzy about myself regardless of how ridiculous it is.

As to our resiliency? It WAS based on independence, self reliance, personal responsibility, as well as individual and economic freedom. The very things that this nation has decided to denounce for a sytem that is an absolute proven failure. Take a peek across the Atlantic.
I think the possibility for a very bright future is there. It just has to survive the coming ordeal. I strongly believe that after Obama and Company crash the nation, the cleanup and aftermath could yield great positives.
Again, I am genuinely happy (as opposed to desperately deluded and or blissfully ignorant)

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Please explain to me what is not based on 'reality' in my post?

Wishful thinking isn't going to do it. Plus, I think there is a lot of people behind Obama. The one thing is true though, the latino vote could ruin the republicans view on things, that boat has got some water coming in.

They have to bail some changes before the republicans can even think of having a party that can compete with the democrats. Really, though I am a caucasian, no longer is the white vote going to make it for the republicans

I really like Jessie Ventura and a Ron Paul running mate 3rd party type thing. I understand the main thesis of what Jessie says, lobbyist's control on congress etc. But the country would have to be much worse off that it is and I am not hoping for that.

I actually think President Obama has some great things in store and I do hope the best for him!

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant

Originally posted by Thepump

Originally posted by pierregustavetoutant
reply to post by Thepump

 

Any room over there in the Bizarro world?

And I'm actually a very positive person. Just not a blind one.
Other than the occasional Drudge, I don't touch right wing.
Better to seek to survive and thrive during difficult times than to embrace ignorance and false hope.

What is false?

Half this website thinks that the world is gonna end because Obama was reelected, that is pretty bizarre.

America made through a civil war, we crushed the Nazi hoard and we made it through this lasted challenge.

What is going to change the nature of our resiliency?

If you'd look at things differently, you would enjoy your life more and you'd probably see that things
are much better than Jan 2008 when we were losing 750,000 jobs a month.

Ad hominem attacks are for weaklings. I love life and enjoy it every day. Just as I will after the collapse. I prefer objectivity to fanciful yearnings and believing information specifically manufactured to make me feel warm and fuzzy about myself regardless of how ridiculous it is.

As to our resiliency? It WAS based on independence, self reliance, personal responsibility, as well as individual and economic freedom. The very things that this nation has decided to denounce for a sytem that is an absolute proven failure. Take a peek across the Atlantic.
I think the possibility for a very bright future is there. It just has to survive the coming ordeal. I strongly believe that after Obama and Company crash the nation, the cleanup and aftermath could yield great positives.
Again, I am genuinely happy (as opposed to desperately deluded and or blissfully ignorant)

It sounds like you are fully dedicated to the idea of Obama crashing the economy.

I am not blinded by hate here, so I am not going to be able to leverage reason with you.

If the economy picks up and we are still here in three years will you notice that you were wrong?

Or is your dedication to hate more important than self awareness?

Originally posted by Xen0m0rpH
reply to post by Thepump

 

Please explain to me what is not based on 'reality' in my post?

You act as if every job is a low paying, you also pretend that business is cowering in the corner.

You also make it sound as if DC is anti business and forget to remember that lobbyists spend billions
a year to ensure favorable outcomes for business.

You are running with a distorted view and I it doesn't square up with reality.

My grandparent ate out of garbage cans in the 30's

Have you eaten out of a garbage can this year?

If you haven't, you have no idea how bad it can get and has been before.

Did I explicitly state this? No, I did not. However, this is the trend now that most jobs are low paying or part time.
Yea, small businesses are. The larger businesses are still going to raise prices and what not, they have to survive some way.

Mom and pop stores don't lobby to our congress, I'm quite certain.

Sure, which is why I'm in a state that has experienced both the ups and downs of these past 12 years or so.

My grandparents ate out of garbage cans in the 30's

Have you eaten out of a garbage can this year?

I haven't, but I don't have to be told I need to breathe to survive either.

Originally posted by Thepump
What ever, (anyone mentioning potential collapse) have been saying we are doomed for 70 years.

Do you think 70 years is a long time when it comes to world affairs and the rise and fall of civilizations?

NOTE: I edited the comment I replied to in order to make it generic for anyone that says "things can't continue like this".

Originally posted by ErgoTheConclusion

Originally posted by Thepump
What ever, (anyone mentioning potential collapse) have been saying we are doomed for 70 years.

Do you think 70 years is a long time when it comes to world affairs and the rise and fall of civilizations?

NOTE: I edited the comment I replied to in order to make it generic for anyone that says "things can't continue like this".

edit on 11-11-2012 by ErgoTheConclusion because: (no reason given)

In those 70 years we have became the world's #1, undisputed, super power...

What are the implication of that, when you consider my comment in it's context?

Originally posted by Antonio1
reply to post by PaxVeritas

 

Wait until 2016 and the inevitable Christie/Rubio, or Rubio/Christie ticket, and then will see if you're correct or not.

Personally, I don't think we're going to have a country we can recognize by 2016 with obamas fumbling and lets not forget the nail in the coffin when the new EPA standards go into effect in 2013.

reply to post by PaxVeritas


I welcome more 3rd parties to the table.

I also welcome the demise of the GOP.

I guess I'm weird on top of voting for Obama. I don't care what people say either.

If you offer me a credible 3rd party candidate that is at least moderate on most views, I will vote for them over a Dem anyday.

reply to post by Chance321


Let's not get all melodramatic here.

We made it through 4 years of Obama and the sky isn't falling yet. Well, the weather is getting weirder and the debt is growing but Bush is still fresh in the memory of most, especially the 47% that Romney insulted.

reply to post by VaterOrlaag

We made it through 4 years of Obama and the sky isn't falling yet.

Well, I'd say 16+ trillion in debt and still going is close, and still no detailed answers from obama on how to stem the flow except "tax the rich". The taxes for obama care start in 2013, that's going to be a hit. So, no, as you say the sky isn't falling yet, but there isn't much holding it up either.
What's going to be fun is watching how obama blames this mess which is his on the last President which happened to be him, still blame it on President Bush.