Apollo 15 panorama - matching the rocks to the hi-res LRO image

reply to post by wildespace

Gene is famous for the Apollo 13 incident. Now, what to the hoax believers say about this failed Apollo mission? Why would NASA want to fake a failed mision?

The 'who-what-when-where' questions are easier to answer.
The 'why' questions are much more difficult to navigate.

Take a look at this Apollo 15 landing site image.
Why does the descent stage have enhanced shadows while the LRV looks like a child played with photoshop? Those aren't shadows... they are digitally enhanced CGI shadows.

Why do the LRV tracks apear with two-tracks while other LRV tracks look totally different? Has anyone actually measured these LRV tracks? How big is the LRV, wheel to wheel?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Why does the descent stage have enhanced shadows while the LRV looks like a child played with photoshop?

Could you explain why one looks like a child played with photoshop? I'm not seeing an issue with the LRV shadows when compared to the LM's

Why do the LRV tracks apear with two-tracks while other LRV tracks look totally different?

The faint tracks with the double lines are the LRV tracks. The darker single line of tracks is from the astronauts themselves.

Has anyone actually measured these LRV tracks? How big is the LRV, wheel to wheel?

Lunar Rover (PDF) Go to the last page.

In addition to jra's answer, the width of the tracks on the LROC image (approx 7 pixels, at 0.26 m/pixel) matches the stated width, approx 182 cm. wms.lroc.asu.edu...

Like jra, I see the LRV tracks as faint double tracks, and the astronauts' tracks as thick lines. The LRV's shadow looks fine to me.

We all know that even if we could take SayonaraJupiter to the Moon he would come up with some reason to claim that was fake also.

He cycles through the same cr4p thread after thread, he relies on some new poster bringing up the subject again so he can repeat the process, it doesn't matter how much evidence you give him he never admits he got something wrong he just changes the subject it's pretty sad to be honest.

Even if some other nation sends a probe or even a team to the Moon again he will then fall back on they are working with the USA & NASA excuse.

Here are my questions about Dune Crater.

1. Who claimed that Apollo 15 astronauts drove an LRV to Dune Crater and stepped off to take panoramic pictures? I f your answer is "NASA" then the follow up question is "Who at NASA...?"

2. What kind of camera was used to take the Dune Crater panorama and where is that camera today?

3. When did the Apollo 15 astronauts allegedly visit Dune Crater?

4. Where are the LRV tracks and astronaut footprints in this LRO zoom of Dune Crater? If the Apollo 15 landing site images show LRV tracks AND astronaut footprints why shouldn't we also see LRV tracks AND astronaut footprints in the LRO Zoom of Dune Crater?


5. Why did Arizona State University hire a former executive of In-Q-Tel, a known CIA front, to be President of their university?

Originally posted by jra

Why do the LRV tracks apear with two-tracks while other LRV tracks look totally different?

The faint tracks with the double lines are the LRV tracks. The darker single line of tracks is from the astronauts themselves.

Are you saying that the albedo of the Apollo 15 LRV tracks are different to the albedo of the Apollo 15 astronaut footprints? Really?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Are you saying that the albedo of the Apollo 15 LRV tracks are different to the albedo of the Apollo 15 astronaut footprints?

No I'm not. Two thinner lines are simply harder to see versus one thicker line, that is all

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by jra

Why do the LRV tracks apear with two-tracks while other LRV tracks look totally different?

The faint tracks with the double lines are the LRV tracks. The darker single line of tracks is from the astronauts themselves.

Are you saying that the albedo of the Apollo 15 LRV tracks are different to the albedo of the Apollo 15 astronaut footprints? Really?

Well there actually could be a difference because the LRV can have dust drop back into the track in large amounts through the mesh of the wheels.

Also re your Dune crater picture the angle of the Sun when the picture was taken will have an effect on how clear/or if the tracks appear also the orbit height which would effect the resolution of the picture!

Now as the two statements above are some common sense that may not have occurred to you!

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Here are my questions about Dune Crater.

1. Who claimed that Apollo 15 astronauts drove an LRV to Dune Crater and stepped off to take panoramic pictures? I f your answer is "NASA" then the follow up question is "Who at NASA...?"

According to this transcript and the audio recordings, it was Scott, Irwin, and the CapCom Joseph Allen.
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...
www.hq.nasa.gov...

It's not so much a "claim" as documentary evidence, along with the photos and various reports.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
2. What kind of camera was used to take the Dune Crater panorama and where is that camera today?

It was a 70mm Hasselblad Data Camera (LM2) equipped with 60-millimeter focal length lens.
www.lpi.usra.edu...
www.lpi.usra.edu...
I don't know where this camera is today, but I have asked at the ALSJ and waiting for reply.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
3. When did the Apollo 15 astronauts allegedly visit Dune Crater?

During the EVA-2, on Aug 1st 1971.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
4. Where are the LRV tracks and astronaut footprints in this LRO zoom of Dune Crater? If the Apollo 15 landing site images show LRV tracks AND astronaut footprints why shouldn't we also see LRV tracks AND astronaut footprints in the LRO Zoom of Dune Crater?

The sun angle and the lower resolution in this image may have made the tracks and footprints very hard to see. At the LM site, the same imagery shows only very faint footprints and no LRV tracks. At the Dune crater, they didn't do a lot of walking around.

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
5. Why did Arizona State University hire a former executive of In-Q-Tel, a known CIA front, to be President of their university?

Because of his qualifications, perhaps. He has a doctoral degree in Public Administration (Science and Technology Policy), and worked in various institutes and universities. www.columbia.edu...

What does the last question have to do with the Dune crater? You just keep pulling these questions out of the bottomles bag, without addressing the answers given to your previous questions.

Originally posted by jra

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
Are you saying that the albedo of the Apollo 15 LRV tracks are different to the albedo of the Apollo 15 astronaut footprints?

No I'm not. Two thinner lines are simply harder to see versus one thicker line, that is all

I must respectfully disagree. There are more than "two thinner lines" because Dave Scott drove by Dune Crater more than one time. So there should be at least 2 sets of tracks at Dune, driving over each other; one set driving south and on set going north.

We should expect to see these multiple sets of LRV tracks driving around Dune Crater... the LRV tracks have complicated angles, we should expect to see some indications of disturbed regolith in this area. But we don't see any tracks or astronaut footprints.... in the latest LRO zoom of Dune Crater.


I screen capped Dave Scott's Apollo 15 Dune Crater drive-by, this is his 2nd drive-by, of Dune Crater. In this portion of the video Dave Scott is driving north, on the south west of Dune Crater and he is driving over his own tracks. The video is available at archive.org...

Originally posted by wildespace

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
5. Why did Arizona State University hire a former executive of In-Q-Tel, a known CIA front, to be President of their university?

Because of his qualifications, perhaps. He has a doctoral degree in Public Administration (Science and Technology Policy), and worked in various institutes and universities. www.columbia.edu...

What does the last question have to do with the Dune crater? You just keep pulling these questions out of the bottomles bag, without addressing the answers given to your previous questions.

Why are the CIA always so protective of the Apollo images? First you have Richard Underwood, CIA, the "first man to see all the Apollo images". What that statement means is that the CIA has physical control of the Apollo images from the very beginning. Fact.

Now, 2012, there is a special agreement between NASA and Arizona State University which allows ASU to claim a copyright on Apollo images by digitally removing the reseau patterns from Apollo images . See my thread on the subject NASA is removing the reseau marks from Apollo images www.abovetopsecret.com...

And the currently presiding president of Arizona State University is a former executive for In-Q-Tel, a known CIA front.
Source en.wikipedia.org...

The CIA has been crafting all the Apollo photographic evidence since probably 1967 at least. Around the same time that Howard Hughes disappears and Richard Nixon assumes the role of Chief Executive of the Military Industrial Complex.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


I'd like to know how they crafted photographic evidence of the kilometer-wide Hadley rille, with all the rocks that match precisely with the recent LRO imagery.
www.hq.nasa.gov...
imageshack.us...

By the way, I can see, in part, some very faint LRV tracks near the Dune crater, matching the traverse map, in this image wms.lroc.asu.edu...

Looking at the LRV tracks in the video you linked, they appear very shallow. No wonder they are almost invisible in LRO images of that area. Perhaps the landing site has a thicker layer of lunar dust, which made the tracks in that area better visible.

Originally posted by wildespace
Looking at the LRV tracks in the video you linked, they appear very shallow. No wonder they are almost invisible in LRO images of that area. Perhaps the landing site has a thicker layer of lunar dust, which made the tracks in that area better visible.

It also seems that certain areas have a darker undersoil than in other areas. You can see it in the hasselblad photography as well.

examples:
AS15-88-11946 - You can see that the disturbed regolith is noticeably darker than the undisturbed topsoil.

AS15-82-11056 - It's also noticeable in the B&W photography as well.

AS15-90-12214 - Where as in the areas south of the LM landing site, the undersoil seems to be mostly the same shade as the topsoil.

The LRV tracks for EVA 3 are quite noticeable, but the LRV tracks for the other two EVA's start to fade out the further south you go.

Originally posted by wildespace
By the way, I can see, in part, some very faint LRV tracks near the Dune crater, matching the traverse map, in this image wms.lroc.asu.edu...

That would be great if you could post a screenshot (from that web site) of where you are looking with maybe some arrows pointing to the tracks?

And remember, we are looking for "double tracks" because Dave Scott drove by Dune Crater twice.

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Ok, here's a screenshot of the south-west side of Dune, with a few arrows where I see the tracks.


The traverse as indicated on Google Earth:


I can also see some tracks south of that location, and I can start with the LM site and follow the tracks south until they become more and more difficult to see.

Here's an article that discusses the visibility of Apollo 15 LRV tracks: lunarnetworks.blogspot.co.uk...

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I see the tracks! (i squinted) but i saw, although i knew they were there to begin with...

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Thanks. Here are the tracks that I found....

Originally posted by denver22
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I see the tracks! (i squinted) but i saw, although i knew they were there to begin with...

It's the last full moon of the year, Denver22, happy new year to you.

If you squinted hard and long enough at that picture posted by wildespace you can actually see dozens of LRV tracks literally covering the totality of the Dune Crater landscape. Are you sure it's not an optical illusion? Or maybe camera abberration/calibration issues?

The entire area around to the South-West side of Dune Crater seems to be covered, north south east west, in LRV tracks! How could that be possible? Was Apollo 15 a simulation?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
It's the last full moon of the year, Denver22, happy new year to you.

I couldn't resist coming out..

If you squinted hard and long enough at that picture posted by wildespace you can actually see dozens of LRV tracks literally covering the totality of the Dune Crater landscape. Are you sure it's not an optical illusion? Or maybe camera abberration/calibration issues?

Yes it's true, they say the moon has an affect on ones behaviour..

The entire area around to the South-West side of Dune Crater seems to be covered, north south east west, in LRV tracks! How could that be possible? Was Apollo 15 a simulation?

Well,i see you are finally seeing tracks, thanks for acknowledging that for us..

P.S

We will make a moon believer yet out of you sayonara...

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

If you squinted hard and long enough at that picture posted by wildespace you can actually see dozens of LRV tracks literally covering the totality of the Dune Crater landscape. Are you sure it's not an optical illusion? Or maybe camera abberration/calibration issues?

What you are seeing is not all tracks( if squinting is
hurting your eyes) then put some glasses on, you wil see the dips in the terrain the creases etc. JRA
i am borrowing you link to you're pic.Sayonara if you focus on the fact that the terrain is not
completely flat, notice there are dips by the third crosshair to the right which appear darker to the
naked eye which is what you are mistaken for tracks also..www.hq.nasa.gov...

The entire area around to the South-West side of Dune Crater seems to be covered, north south east west, in LRV tracks! How could that be possible? Was Apollo 15 a simulation?

See the above quote, "it's good that you acknowledge the fact that tracks are present!..
Sayonara- au-revoir- adieu.. till next time...