Iran Fires On US Drone

reply to post by jhn7537


Except that the US military currently has a huge advantage over the Russian military in terms of training, and equipment. Neither one would want to go nuclear, so I believe that it would remain a conventional conflict. But the US certainly had reason during the Cold War to shoot down Soviet planes, in retaliation for them downing our and our allies aircraft, and never did.

Besides, if they did down it in international airspace, that's telling other countries that it's no longer safe to fly there, and it opens the door to them attacking our aircraft as well. That's a door that no one wants to open.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

The Frogfoot is far from their best warplane. It just happened to be the one that intercepted the Predator. They have MiG-29s and other much more advanced aircraft.

I was just laughing that they missed.

We never really learn the truth in these events.

But, If I had to face a firing squad today in Iran.

I would want these pilots to execute me...

reply to post by Zaphod58


True. And maybe they are lying about this, to create a "FALSE" Flag.

Off topic; your spelling is wrong....extraordinaire.

reply to post by Zaphod58

They wouldn't have to know that it would get shot down, just have the possibility that it would, and use that to embarrass the US.

You see they are laughing at us electing a POTUS who exhibits surrender behavior.

That red line is indeed international airspace, but it’s also very close to Iranian soil. This of course doesn’t make it okay for Iran to try to shoot the drone down, but it’s worth considering how that proximity might be perceived by an Iranian leadership that already feels under siege and threatened by the much more powerful United States. Last year, a U.S. drone crashed 140 miles within Iran’s eastern border.

www.washingtonpost.com...

Interestingly the US said "near this area" they did not pinpoint the spot for the News.

reply to post by ascension211



I'm sure that there is some muddying going on here by both sides. I don't see this as being a false flag or anything of the sort, because in reality nothing happened. The Predator returned undamaged.

That's because I use bastardized American English. We spell how we want to.

Originally posted by whyamIhere

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by whyamIhere

 

The Frogfoot is far from their best warplane. It just happened to be the one that intercepted the Predator. They have MiG-29s and other much more advanced aircraft.

I was just laughing that they missed.

We never really learn the truth in these events.

But, If I had to face a firing squad today in Iran.

I would want these pilots to execute me...

Personally I would bet they meant to miss.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Actually this is in regards to the Iran Air 655 shoot down.

Although it does apply to this to a degree too.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Corruption Exposed

 

ATS lately has been all about going to war. Every time there is a prediction, or an incident people come across as happy that the next war is about to start, or that WWIII is here. I've never seen so many people screaming for war over just about every little thing.

I have never gotten that impression in the year I have been here, either from Repubs, Demos, Libertarians, or fellow Tea Party. There are people of course who support the Prez whatever he does, people who don't like the Bush wars but are Republican(like me), people who supported Bush and the wars but who do not necessarily want wars but will fight them for America, but I do not see people who just want war for fun. Maybe I've just been on the wrong forums.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I've seen so many "War is coming!" threads, and "We need to nuke (usually Iran)" threads in the last year or two it's not even funny. Every time anything happens, the immediate answer is to nuke them, or bomb them into oblivion.

It turns out I was late to the party and I have a mistake that I must admit to. In my original post I hinted that this whole incident might be made up and that I have not heard of any acknowledgement coming out of Iran.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It turns out I was wrong as there are Iranian officials admitting that this incident happened:

TEHRAN, Iran -- A prominent Iranian parliament member said Friday that a U.S. drone violated Iran's airspace a week ago, when the Pentagon says it was fired on. The U.S. maintains the pilotless craft was over international waters.

Lawmaker Mohammad Saleh Jokar told state-owned yjc.ir news website that Iranian fighters shot at the U.S. drone because it had entered Iranian airspace.

"Violation of the airspace of Iran was the reason for shooting at the American drone," Mohammad Saleh Jokar was quoted as saying. "This showed Iran has the necessary readiness to defend against any invasion."

www.huffingtonpost.com... 26pLid%3D232391

So now that I have come across confirmation from Iranian sources that this has happened it all comes down to who is lying. As another member mentioned both sides lie (a lot) so it's a case of "he said she said".

If this was previously mentioned in the thread I apologize as I have not yet read all the way through.

quote Corruption Exposed
So now that I have come across confirmation from Iranian sources that this has happened it all comes down to who is lying. As another member mentioned both sides lie (a lot) so it's a case of "he said she said".

Yes, and unfortunately, there is really no way an honest investigation can realistically be done by an unbiased party who can find out who is actually lying.
No one is dead so it wont be worth anyone's effort or expense. imho

I just don't get the point of antagonizing Iran? It seems pointless to me, its obvious that my Govt. will do everything in their power to start this war, they just don't want to be "the reason" for it starting... Neither side is right in this instance, the US shouldnt be provoking Iran and Iran shouldnt have fired on the US... Both are acting childish and the people who will pay are the poor soldiers that get tossed into the mix over stupid acts of provocation...

"Violation of the airspace of Iran was the reason for shooting at the American drone," Mohammad Saleh Jokar was quoted as saying. "This showed Iran has the necessary readiness to defend against any invasion."

reply to post by Zaphod58


Ok then I guess I have been on the wrong threads. But then I usually hang out in the Political Madness sector. I needed a hiatus from that.

The last thing I want is more war. I didn't care for the Bush wars either. It's all part of the PNAC and CFR plans and the military industrial complex. Even this POTUS who ran on getting out of wars is still in wars after 4 years and still he got re elected, and the people weren't told what happened so it wouldn't upset the happy glow.

The people have been so played by the establishment.

If one reads the history of the Rothschilds, one can easily understand that they profit from wars and they just let the people believe it was all Bush or all Cheney or all someone else's doing. Even the people don't blame this POTUS because it was still all just Bush fault. The Democrats blame the Republicans even after they approved the Iraq and Afghan wars.
As long as the CFR is running things it won't matter who is Prez. People here have been saying it, but many still supported a Prez based on what he ran on.

I personally believe this POTUS knows full well what the Iranians are up to. Just think of FDR allowing Pearl Harbor in order to get us into WWII and there is the answer. With Jarrett getting ready for secret meetings with Iran....how can we believe this admin at face value?

What next? Look the other way?

A sovereign object in INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE, hurting or harming no one, and yet, WAS SHOT DOWN by Persian MILITARY JETS!

How long are we - FREE MANKIND, to put up with Persian impunity and belligerances to the RULE OF LAW????!!!

In the least, A PUBLIC APOLOGY by the persian apostate infidel leader Khameni no less, followed by FULL reparations for the cost of the object, time and effort lost, etc,etc, as well as the suspensionof the persian chief of air forces for failure to train their trigger happy village idiotic pilots.

If that apostate still continue to be belligerant, they will be brought before UN and ICJ to crimes against international rule of law, for that craft, although without pilot, IS NOT PILOTLESS, and flying only on INTERNATIONAL AIRSPACE.

IF they still refuse, then they must be taught a lesson to RESPECT the rule of international law, otherwise, even far worse tragedies will occur with their trigger happy village idiotic military.

This thing is escalating and the last one to know about it will be Obama.
This could be why he was sobbling, he must know what is coming and it ain't gonna be pretty.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101


It wasn't shot down. It was shot *at*. They missed.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

So Iran would never lie to us about this?

A few problems with the theory that they intercepted it in their airspace.

Why would they make two passes with a gun and stop?
Why would they use Su-25s to intercept it, and not a fighter like the MiG-29, or an F-5, or an F-14?
Why wouldn't they have used missiles against it?

edit on 11/9/2012 by Zaphod58 because: (no reason given)

I am simply saying WE don't usually know who is telling the truth so how can we make judgement calls?

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

 

It wasn't shot down. It was shot *at*. They missed.

I think the op is confusing those who only watch the video of the last drone shot down.