US Superstorm Threat Launches Mass Evacuations (Thread Will Include Updates)

I always half to laugh how the news media is directly in the worst part of the storm and are right along the beach.Head for the hills run for your lives and don't ever go outside.Get to da Chopper!!!!!!

They exxaggerate this stuff to where it is hilarious.

i'm not sure if it was already posted but here's a nice link with live coverage from Reuters
live.reuters.com...

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by voyger2
reply to post by jhn7537

 

there should be negative stars for ppl who publish fake stuff
IMO

thanks

Negative stars??? I guess you're on here to get stars or flags... I could care less....... I posted a photo that I found on FB, I never said it was real, I said it was a bad ass photo from today... sigh

I only seek the truth! you do have to reconize that i deleted what i said before you posted my quote..

you know what ... keep it going..i'm just fine

Sandy is going after the cast of the Jersey Shore... Blessing in disguise??? jk...

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I didn't even think of that!!! Always a silver lining!

Originally posted by voyger2

Originally posted by jhn7537

Originally posted by voyger2
reply to post by jhn7537

 

there should be negative stars for ppl who publish fake stuff
IMO

thanks

Negative stars??? I guess you're on here to get stars or flags... I could care less....... I posted a photo that I found on FB, I never said it was real, I said it was a bad ass photo from today... sigh

I only seek the truth! you do have to reconize that i deleted what i said before you posted my quote..

you know what ... keep it going..i'm just fine

I see it, I acknowledge it, i just want you to know that if negative stars came my way, I wouldn't lose any sleep at night... I'm sure some people care about Stars and Flags, I'm just not one of them...hahaha

Now back to the topic at hand... Bad ass storms are awesome, when there are zero casualties... Kinda like a F5 tornado that's in a middle of a field not threatening any body, too bad this storm will have numerous casualties

Originally posted by Res Ipsa
reply to post by MrWendal

 

Once again you are being myopic that this is just a hurricane. You have never in your life been a storm like this.
If you are trying to calm the hype, don't rely on your personal experience since you don't have any with this type of storm.

Really? And what is so different about this type of storm? Is it the winter storm that is coming that way? The winter storm that will cause this tropical storm to turn and even weaken fairly rapidly? Please do tell how this is so different?

Stop buying into the media hype. This is just a hurricane and until the characteristics of a hurricane changes, it will still be just a hurricane. What the media loves to do is speculate and they pump up the fear level with all these "could happen" scenarios, but the truth is I could make an argument that the moon "could" fall from the sky during this storm but that does not make it likely to happen.

Care to know what the data says?

Sandy is currently traversing a narrow ridge of warm SSTs around 27c...which are associated with the Gulf Stream. This extra low-level heat input has likely contributed to the recent increase in convection around the eye. However...Sandy will be moving over the north wall of the gulfstream within the next 3 hours...which will bring a halt to any significant inner-core convective development. However...this should have little impact on the overall intensity or the size of the extremely large wind field that is now more than 1000 N mi in diameter. At the moment... hurricane force winds are only occurring in the southwest quadrant...but model guidance suggests that these could spread into the northern semicircle before landfall.

Surface data indicate that well-defined warm and cold fronts lie very near the center of Sandy...and the combination of colder ocean water and nearby frontal systems are expected to result in extratropical transition before the center of the cyclone reaches the coast. However...this transformation will not diminish the overall impacts from winds to hurricane strength...life-threatening storm surge... and flooding rains associated with this dangerous weather system. Based on the global models...the cyclone should
weaken fairly rapidly after landfall.

Stop thinking about power and internet. Start thinking about having enough rice on hand to feed your family when no food can be gotten next month. I have a good feeling we are talking power outages for a while…

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reply to post by Slinki

His boss sounds like the typical dispatcher who only cares about the load. All major highways are closed to non-essential personnel as of now in the NY-NJ area and I think CT as well. If you can get a hold of him, tell him to stay inland and ride it out.

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Well I'm glad you're not disappointed that you think it won't be devastating in your opinion, but the condescending tone of what you consider to be devastation and what isn't is what lead me to say that. If that was not your intent then I stand corrected.

I never accused you of saying the authorities are or aren't hyping things, I was clarifying to those that are not as informed about these storms that the authorities are just doing their jobs.

The authorities also use the media a lot to get their message across, and to most people The Weather Channel is an authority and not an media line. I was actually helping to you to draw the lines between the authorities and the media which may hype things, so listen to the authorities over the media.

Bottom line is, this storm will affect a far vaster area of land where those other storms you mentioned did, and people should take caution regardless of how much devastation this storm may or may not cause.

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I love your avatar shes super cool .With respect (im no stalker)

who does good avatars on request?

I would love a SCORPION

ps
on topic hope you all stay safe

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Take a look at this image showing the cold air that's colliding with Sandy and that should help you arrive at your own conclusion.
www.goes.noaa.gov...

Originally posted by MrWendal
Really? And what is so different about this type of storm? Is it the winter storm that is coming that way? The winter storm that will cause this tropical storm to turn and even weaken fairly rapidly? Please do tell how this is so different?

1. Sandy is a 2000 mile storm. Name some storms as large as Sandy in the Atlantic Basin this large that has made landfall.

2. The wind field of Sandy extends 525 miles from the center, once again I ask you to find some storms with a wind field this large that have made landfall in the Atlantic Basin.

3. Yes all cyclones weaken when they hit land, but the low pressure doesn't go anywhere and when it interacts with the Arctic air mass with all of the instability and moisture fueling it from the Atlantic, it will be a severe Nor'Easter event.

A similar event occurred back in 1993, but it was sub-tropical low not a Hurricane, and more of a blizzard than a typical Nor'Easter, which caused $6.6 billion dollars of damage. I don't like using Wiki as a source, but the sources listed in the article are legit, and it's centralized so I did anyway

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

4. On top of that when is the last time a storm that produced a storm surge this high has hit a populated Northeaster corridor.

That's what makes Sandy different. Storms with wind fields this large are not a rare occurrence in the Pacific basin, but in the Atlantic basin they are.

ETA:

Originally posted by Crakeur
reply to post by PrestonSpace

 

this storm is supposed to sit over us (NYC area) for 4 high tides. To give you an idea as to how rare that is, my dad, who's 78, and has spent 50+ years out on the east end of long island, said he cannot recall one storm lasting more than 1 high tide.

The city is quiet. Rain is here, not real bad. Winds are picking up but, for the most part, this has been mild so far. the cancellation of schools and whatnot was a wise precaution.

Tunnels are closing or closed. Bridges will close when the winds hit 40 mph. (they might already be closed)

Parts of the FDR and West Side Highway are under water. Battery Park City is also under water.

Out east, Westhampton Beach was getting tagged with 50 mph gusts early this morning and the area is already flooded.

The devastation has been bad on the east end and the worst, apparently, is yet to come.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Update from Pennsylvania. It's been raining pretty steadily since this morning and winds have definitely picked up. Obviously nothing to knock out power or devestate anyone yet in safe areas, just strong winds. The only way I can describe them is howling winds. I don't really know what mph constitutes howling winds but there ya go. Have decided not to go to my friend's until tomorrow when things are more calm because of the weather today and because classes tomorrow have finally been cancelled. I'm just hanging around here for now trying to stay safe and enjoy the electricity while I still have it. I have a feeling I'll be waking up tomorrow and many days afterwards without it.

Devastation is the state of being destroyed or decayed. Devastation is also like beauty, it’s in the eye of the beholder. If you lose your home due to the effects of nature’s fury, it doesn’t matter if it’s sudden from the wind of the likes of a hurricane or tornado, or whether it is the result of a little slower destruction such as flooding from a weather system or any source of disaster, it’s devastating. Since the brunt of the storm has not arrived yet, I think it’s too early to determine the level of devastation until it’s over.

The Great Mississippi and Missouri Rivers Flood of 1993 (or "Great Flood of 1993") occurred in the American Midwest, along the Mississippi and Missouri rivers and their tributaries, from April to October 1993. The flood was among the most costly and devastating to ever occur in the United States, with $15 billion in damages.

Here’s a list of one sites top ten hurricanes and a brief description of their “devastation”. Notice, the loss of life and the financial amount of damage is varied greatly.

1. Hurricane Katrina

Certainly the most devastating of hurricanes in American recent history. It occurred in August, 2005 and it killed nearly 2000 people and caused damage estimated at 200 billion dollars. It was recorded as a hurricane category five and listed as one of the top five hurricanes to hit the U.S. coast in history.
2. Hurricane Andrew

A category five storm that nearly blew South Florida away in 1992. Gusts reached an incredible 170 miles per hour, and the storm caused approximately 30 billion dollars in damage.

3. Hurricane Wilma

Another monster storm from 2005. Largely lowered in priority due to Katrina, Wilma wreaked havoc on Cape Romano, Florida, killing 31 people and causing $21.5 billion in damage.

4. Hurricane Rita

Yet another storm from the infamous 2005. It hit the US coast just a few weeks after Hurricane Katrina, causing the death of over 150 people, as well as 6 billion dollars worth of damage.

5. Hurricane Camille

Out of all the destructive hurricanes to have hit the US, this is one of the worst. A force 5 storm, it hit Mississippi in 1969. Wind speeds reached 180 mph. More than 250 people were killed and damage of 1.5 billions dollars.

6. Hurricane Donna

In 1960 Hurricane Donna plowed into the Florida Keys, and then continued on to Fort Myers before landing in North Carolina. It went all the way up to New England before losing strength. More than 364 people were killed in the storm as well as $900 million in damage.

7. Hurricane Charley

Another whopper whirlwind, which Florida took the brunt of once again. Hurricane Charley occurred in 2004, landing in Charlotte Harbor, Florida. Charley had 150 mile an hour winds, killed 35 people, and caused 14 billion dollars in damage. This one really surprised weather forecasters, as it moved in an such unpredictable way.

8. Hurricane Hugo

While only a Category 4, Hurricane Hugo killed 34 people and caused over 100,00 to be homeless. This was one of the more destructive hurricanes the US has ever suffered through. It caused 7 billion dollars (1989 prices) worth of damage. Landing in South Carolina it took many years to rebuilt.

9. Hurricane Celia

In 1970 hurricane Celia hit Texas, and did no less than 450 billion dollars worth of damage. 11 people were killed, more than 9,000 homes were completely destroyed, and tens of thousands of buildings suffering from extensive damage.

10. Hurricane Eloise

In 1975 Hurricane Eloise landed in the panhandle of Florida. Listed as a Category 5, 21 people died and more than 1 billion dollars of damage.

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Originally posted by majesticgent
Well I'm glad you're not disappointed that you think it won't be devastating in your opinion, but the condescending tone of what you consider to be devastation and what isn't is what lead me to say that. If that was not your intent then I stand corrected.

I am sorry if you feel my tone is condescending. I just feel that people toss around the "devastation" far too easily. Much like people toss around the term "false flag", but I am fairly strict when it comes to language and I admit that. Language for me is very specific. I think it comes from my research into legal issues more than anything. When reading legislation and/or laws, there is a reason why things are worded as they are. Punctuation, the words chosen, all these things factor into the interpretation of the law. So in terms of language, I am fairly strict.

Devastation is defined as "To lay waste. Destroy" and that is how I interpret the word, so in my opinion this storm will not be devastating. It will not leave the City of Philadelphia or Dover, or Newark, or NYC in a pile of rubble. It will not leave these affected areas looking like the pictures of Hurricane Andrew that I posted earlier.

I never accused you of saying the authorities are or aren't hyping things, I was clarifying to those that are not as informed about these storms that the authorities are just doing their jobs.

I agree completely. The authorities are doing their jobs. These are the people who others rely on to come save you when your in over your head. These are the people who have information that average Joe and Jane do not bother to look up. Such as elevation levels, storm surge, all the little factors that make all the difference in the world. That being said, we must remember that even the authorities err on the side of caution to an extreme degree. Using Gustav as an example, we were all told to evacuate. In my area it was mandatory, but I still refused. I could not even walk down my street after dark or I would have been arrested on sight, and as I explained earlier, Gustav was really nothing more than a thunderstorm for me.

The authorities also use the media a lot to get their message across, and to most people The Weather Channel is an authority and not an media line. I was actually helping to you to draw the lines between the authorities and the media which may hype things, so listen to the authorities over the media.

Very true. However I do not consider the Weather Channel to be an authority, but this is mainly based on my own experiences. I can not begin to count how many times I have watched The Weather Channel really pump up the fear level over nothing. So for me personally, they hold very little credibility.

Bottom line is, this storm will affect a far vaster area of land where those other storms you mentioned did, and people should take caution regardless of how much devastation this storm may or may not cause.

This storm will effect a large area, and I feel I have stressed the point of taking precautions and being prepared. One of the storms I mentioned is Katrina, but what many do not realize is that Katrina was also a very large storm. Although New Orleans is what many people remember most, New Orleans did not get the full brunt of Katrina. Mississippi did and it was Mississippi that was actually ground zero for that storm. That being said, this storm (in relation to size) is like 3 or 4 Katrinas, as far as intensity it falls way way WAY short of Katrina.

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The picture in your OP can't be Sandy...a category 1 storm with no eye-wall in the last week.
Your pic is Katrina at cat 5...ten years ago...nice try.

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What you said would result in a weakening of Sandy when it collides with the winter storm isn't true. The cold air coming down from Canada will join Sandy along with the upper low trough coming from the west. The models for this aren't new. What results is in actuality a "super storm." Perhaps not like the movie of the same name, unless of course you were in a boat in the Atlantic in the midst of it, but none-the-less a dangerous combination.
Although models do exist for this type of a system, there isn't much prescident for it. No-one really knows what will happen when the 3 systems meet. Everyone could be wrong. Maybe good/maybe no.
If what would "typically" and I must say I use this term loosely, happen, is that there would be a combination of rain, higher elevation snow, and of course winds sustaining after hitting land. Not as 75-80mph but still gusting up to 40-50 +/- water being pushed in from the NE quadrant onto land will bring high waves with coastal flooding. Since this is happening at a full moon, tides will be higher. When the tide tries to ebb, it meets up with the influx of water still coming on shore and essentially has no where to go but??? Yup, back on shore. Simplistic description but essentially what happens. Leaves are still on the trees this far "south," (farther north many have shed their leaves), which will lead to more downed trees due to their weight, ergo more power outages.
Sure people can adapt to not having cell phone, Internet or tv, if they must. It's the communication with city/State/emergency officials that will cause a real strain. Not to mention transportation.
Imagine if you will a worse case scenario: transportation is down for weeks in say NYC. Most rely on the subway, buses, commuters into city on the trains, but they aren't running. There is no way if its possible even, for those people to all drive vehicles into the city, and most either don't have vehicles that live in the city proper, or they may be in garages if below ground might be flooded.
How does the city then function? Workers can't get to work. Fire/Rescue, police, emergency personnel will be stretched way past their limit. Hospitals have no power...people die..
Ok, ok, I'm not talking end of the world scenario here, just a what if that is entirely possible with wide spread outages of power, water, etc.
I know, enough said. If we knew what would happen then this forum would have no purpose other than wishing all well in the path of the storm, which by the way, I do!

Folks.... This is the beginning. I know there are a lot of skeptics out there and I realize that not everyone is ready for the truth but let's think about this logically.

1. The presidential election is NEXT WEEK - how in the hell are all these displaced people going to vote and why in God's name would they even be worried about it? This means there may potentially be MILLIONS OF VOTES that are not cast because of this disaster.

2. The US government has been preparing the FEMA camps for some time now and this so called "perfect storm" finally gives them the opportunity to begin bearding the sheeple right in to them. "Oh sir, you lost your home and everything you own? Well just come on in to this FEMA camp and we can help you". Yeah, they will help you right in to complete and total submission alright!

3. HAARP has been up and running - I don't know about anyone else but I have noticed that here in Mesa, AZ they have been spraying the HELL OUT OF US the past few weeks with their damn chemical clouds. My kids have even started noticing it and though no definitive connection has been made scientifically, it's speculated that those chemical clouds are related to the operation of HAARP. How ironic is it that when they are out spraying, it always seems to blow eastward?

This is the the start of it all folks. With nearly the entire east coast destroyed by their storm, the feds will begin rounding up the people and putting them in FEMA camps. If the election takes place then it will be even more of a sham that any other election ever held before. The country's economy will be completely crippled and we, the American people are going to be at the complete mercy of the federal government. They will enact martial law and you better be getting your # ready ASAP because the # storm IS HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think I'm full of it about HAARP? Have a look at the Induction Magnetometer for October 20th and 21st and tell me they aren't up to anything......

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No offense here, but from the way others responded it seems as if it came across as condescending. I'm all good. I just want folks to know this is a serious and rare storm, and you do too.