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Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by homervb
In that case, you have failed. That drone was not there because "Bush" had his eye on Iraq. It was there because we had our eyes on Iraq since 1991.....as part if the Gulf War.cease fire.
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by homervb
There was barely a month that went by from March 1991 to September 2001 that we DIDN'T drop ordinance somewhere in Iraq. Or were you not paying attention, like most Americans?
Oh okay, so despite the 935 lies which were told by Bush and his entire administration, spy drones over Iraq, the war planes dropping bombs you still believe an invasion of Iraq was not on Bush's agenda? Are you serious?
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by homervb
Oh okay, so despite the 935 lies which were told by Bush and his entire administration, spy drones over Iraq, the war planes dropping bombs you still believe an invasion of Iraq was not on Bush's agenda? Are you serious?
Attack on WTC/Pentagon - Sept 2001
Invasion of Iraq - March 2003
Thats 18 months separation of the two events
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by homervb
Oh okay, so despite the 935 lies which were told by Bush and his entire administration, spy drones over Iraq, the war planes dropping bombs you still believe an invasion of Iraq was not on Bush's agenda? Are you serious?
Attack on WTC/Pentagon - Sept 2001
Invasion of Iraq - March 2003
Thats 18 months separation of the two events
Originally posted by homervb
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by homervb
There was barely a month that went by from March 1991 to September 2001 that we DIDN'T drop ordinance somewhere in Iraq. Or were you not paying attention, like most Americans?
Oh okay, so despite the 935 lies which were told by Bush and his entire administration, spy drones over Iraq, the war planes dropping bombs you still believe an invasion of Iraq was not on Bush's agenda? Are you serious?
The fact that Bush and friends were chomping at the bit to depose Saddam Hussein does not automagically mean that the WTC was destroyed by lasers from outer space (or nukes in the basement or hologram projectors or whatever internet conspiracy it is you subscribe to). It simply means they used it to their advantage.
The one ugly detail the conspiracy proponents cannot get away from is that the 9/11 attack was traced back to Afghanistan, NOT Iraq, and Afghanistan is every bit as screwed up a place as the mass media portrays it.
Originally posted by maxella1
Kinda like a lottery jackpot windfall, once in a lifetime lucky coincidence. Bush and friends were trying to figure out how can they get enough support to get Hussein since day one . Actually it's like winning two jackpots in the same day because Bush was going to sign a detailed plan (essentially the same war plan they used) for a worldwide war against al-Qaida in Afghanistan just two days before 9/11. Just imagine how much easier it was to persuade other countries to cooperate and without sharing intelligence with anybody.
And then boom! A light-bulb lights up above their heads.. > Iraq definitely has anthrax ... We know because he used bio weapon before (and we gave it to them).
You are struggling to prop up your conspiracy theories with conjecture and we both know it. Our major NATO allies like France, Germany, and Spain joined us in the war in Afghanistan but they refused to join us in the war in Iraq. That's because they had their own intelligence agencies and they confirmed the 9/11 attack was sponsored by Al Qaida but couldn't confirm that Iraq had WMD.
This morning's briefing follows those offered by United States Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage and United States Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, and illustrates the commitment of the United States to maintain close cooperation with Allies. Today's was classified briefing and so I cannot give you all the details. Briefings are also being given directly by the United States to the Allies in their capitals.
...so when I say the conspiracy theorists go out of their way to obfuscate the fact that the 9/11 attack was traced back to Afghanistan rather than Iraq, how are you proving me wrong, exactly?
Originally posted by maxella1
I would love to see your source about the NATO allies confirming it was Al Qaida, please post a link.
I am not trying to prove you wrong and I can't even if I wanted to. Because that is what they told us.. 19 terrorists mostly from Saudi Arabia were traced back to Afghanistan. I'm just saying that these mostly Saudi terrorists couldn't be traced to Iraq. Personally I think that It became difficult to trace them to Iraq because the world realized that they were lied to regarding Afghanistan. So the WMD story was created and reinforced by the "Iraqi" anthrax attack.
"Frank Taylor, the US Ambassador at Large and Co-ordinator for Counter-terrorism briefed the North Atlantic Council - NATO's top decision-making body- on 2 October on the results of investigations into the 11 September terrorist attacks against the United States. As a result of the information he provided to the Council, it has been clearly determined that the individuals who carried out the attacks belonged to the world-wide terrorist network of Al-Qaida, headed by Osama bin Laden and protected by the Taleban regime in Afghanistan.
Our major NATO allies like France, Germany, and Spain joined us in the war in Afghanistan but they refused to join us in the war in Iraq. That's because they had their own intelligence agencies and they confirmed the 9/11 attack was sponsored by Al Qaida but couldn't confirm that Iraq had WMD.
All leads on the Anthrax attack point to the guy who was in charge of the lab that produced
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by GoodOlDave
So you changed your story, Now you're saying that they shared intelligence, where is the part about France, Germany, and Spain confirming with their own intelligence agencies? All I see is that they were briefed by the US and nothing about confirming anything.
Yeah and he killed himself before he was arrested. But you're again being a little bit intellectually dishonest because you know that Collin Powell presented Anthrax To the UN when he was making the case for Iraq war.
Ummm...I'd say that would be the part where they were quoting German Intelligence agencies reporting that Mohammed Atta was in contact with Al Qaida operatives while in Hamburg. You know, like how it was referenced in the 9/11 Commission report? The book that it was your obligation to read to know what all the "lies in the official story" supposedly even are?
Page 183
The available evidence indicates that in 1999,Atta,Binalshibh, Shehhi, and Jar= rah decided to fight in Chechnya against the Russians. According to Binal= shibh, a chance meeting on a train in Germany caused the group to travel to Afghanistan instead.An individual named Khalid al Masri approached Binal= shibh and Shehhi (because they were Arabs with beards,Binalshibh thinks) and struck up a conversation about jihad in Chechnya.When they later called Masri and expressed interest in going to Chechnya, he told them to contact Abu Musab in Duisburg, Germany. Abu Musab turned out to be Mohamedou Ould Slahi, a significant al Qaeda operative who, even then, was well known to U.S. and German intelligence, though neither government apparently knew he was operating in Germany in late 1999.When telephoned by Binalshibh and Shehhi, Slahi reportedly invited these promising recruits to come see him in Duisburg
Excuse me but have you forgotten that this whole Iraqi Anthrax thread is nothing but desperate innuendo dropping on your part to begin with?
You're essentially claiming Colin Powell's UN address was a conspiracy that was part of an overall conspiracy to kill people with Anthrax in a conspiracy to falsely put the blame on Iraq to promote a conspiracy to invade Iraq, which apparently was the real conspiracy behind a smokescreen conspiracy to invade Afghanistan by using a conspiracy to stage an attack on 9/11 in a conspiracy to falsely put the blame on Afghanistan. Naturally, the 9/11 commission report was a conspiracy to cover up the conspiracy that Bush was part of all these other conspiracies. I can't even add Bin Laden to the equation because I'd short circuit trying to keep track of all these conspiracies.
Powell Calls His U.N. Speech a Lasting Blot on His Record
The former secretary of state, Colin L. Powell, says in a television interview to be broadcast Friday that his 2003 speech to the United Nations, in which he gave a detailed description of Iraqi weapons programs that turned out not to exist, was "painful" for him personally and would be a permanent "blot" on his record."I'm the one who presented it on behalf of the United States to the world," Mr. Powell told Barbara Walters of ABC News, adding that the presentation "will always be a part of my record."
Asked by Ms. Walters how painful this was for him, Mr. Powell replied: "It was painful. It's painful now." Asked further how he felt upon learning that he had been misled about the accuracy of intelligence on which he relied, Mr. Powell said, "Terrible." He added that it was "devastating" to learn later that some intelligence agents knew the information he had was unreliable but did not speak up.
...and you're saying I'm the one being intellectually dishonest? I mean, really?
Originally posted by maxella1
Excuse me.. Did you not read the article I linked? Did you not see Collin Powell holding a little glass vial with anthrax in the video I posted? Did you not hear him say that a teaspoon of anthrax shot down the US Senate in 2001? If you really didn't see it please do so.
You can call it anything you like but the facts are facts. Anthrax attack was used as an example of how dangerous Iraq is since they have so much of it and it takes so little to shot down the government and kill people.
The more you say conspiracy in one paragraph the more desperate you appear.
Originally posted by NWOwned
A gif animation of smoky arm guy:
Upon closer examination (if your monitor is not defective) you can clearly see that even smoky arm guy is not totally black and white but also displays blue, the same tone and hue of blue all the others showing blue display.
Is that a real arm on a real guy?
You decide.
Cheers