What do you think will happen, on Dec. 21, 2012?

reply to post by magickmaster

What do you think will happen, on Dec. 21, 2012?

I think I will finally get off my arse and go and buy my wife a Christmas present................and on January 2nd 2013 she will return it from whence it came and buy something that she really wanted.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


That does not show the position of the Sun on 12-21-2012 or the planets with relation to the galactic plane and the center of the Milky Way galaxy.

reply to post by ascension211


Why would it need to show the galactic plane? We're presently several light years above it. Also, let me remind you of your claim:

At least 5 planets with the moon will be in direct alignment on that day with the Sun and Earth, this is a fact, it is undisputed.

You mention nothing about the galactic plane nor equator. Despite that we know we are nowhere near the galactic plane. We also know that all these objects cannot be lined up with the galactic equator since they don't line up with each other. Then there's also the fact that none of these objects can truly line up with the galactic equator since, once again, we are far away from the galactic plane. What will happen is an apparent alignment between the Sun, Earth and the galactic center. However, this alignment occurs every year and has occurred on December 21st for the past few decades.

EDIT: I do need to make a correction though. The pic I posted is from Stellarium, not JPL.

reply to post by magickmaster

A collective sigh of relief and an anticipation of a new unknown unknown (as much as I hate to quote Donald Rumsfeld).

There's ART there in that creative space, and the possibility for humor and joy.

So I say to answer your question as to what will happen, is that we will laugh and all breath a sigh of relief, but looking back in a new light of reason, ever increasing, we just might have the audacity to really laugh at our former self and conception of the world, and then hey you never know what can happen in the twinkling of an eye..

I laugh over it even now, but it's a heartfelt, sorrowful laugh, and yet there IS a threshold point I swear, where what was once terribly sorrowful, becomes in the final analysis the most humorous and joyfilled of experiences imaginable. I just hope we all get the joke before it's too late!


We are the light that shines in the darkness,
the human spirit rises,
and seeks to soar to new heights.

Join hands and the circle of joy, like children around the sacred fire and light of life (cosmic awareness atunemed with nature and truth, love and light), and sing with me.. Kumbaya (which means "come by way of my Lord"). I'm serious. There's nothing ELSE to do!?

We're all royally screwed no matter what happens, but either, in the very best or, the worst possible way, our choice, but either way, the "double-bind" eventally unravells until we do "get it", although unfortunately for them some have to learn the really hard, hard way, if ever, dooming themselves to often large degrees in one very narrow POV of the world as some sort of terrible hellish nightmare and nothing more. The impure eyes of their heart never sees God never has a chance to do so, nor to see in themselves God reflected back as love, a love so great it's inconchorable and thus capable of overcoming all things, unto everlasting joy and happiness as the only rational or reasonable thing that is left worth doing and experiencing!

Don't make the mistake. Make sure your lamps are trimmed and oil-filled in other words just in case the world and the cosmos does change in some suble way, you wouldn't want to leave a stone cold heard under the sweaping of a nexus of love and forgiveness, how terrible that would be for those who cannot mourn, or ever repent of their deluded, igorant self amid all its accompanying manifestations of misery, and complaint.

We must prepare ourselves for JOY, and immense HILARITY and laughter, and I mean on an emergency basis with the utmost sense of urgency!


Watching the audiance in that 50's video is hilarious! Umm.. they needed to up the JOY part perhaps a tad..

the other version


God Bless, Merry Christmas, and above all Happy New Year, and beyond!


NAM

It has a mysterious origin..

"Kumbaya" or "Kumbayah" (Gullah, "Come By Here" — "Kum ba yah") — is a Negro spiritual song from the 1930s. It enjoyed newfound popularity during the folk revival of the 1960s and became a standard campfire song in Scouting and nature-oriented organizations.

The song was originally associated with human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion

Origins
Come By Here / Kum Ba Ya / Kumbaya transcribed by the United States Library of Congress from a 1926 recording.The origins of the song are disputed. Research in Kodaly Envoy by Lum Chee-Hoo has found that sometime between 1922 and 1931, members of an organization called the Society for the Preservation of Spirituals collected a song from the South Carolina coast.[1] "Come By Heah", as they called it, was sung in Gullah, the creole language spoken by the former slaves living on the Sea Islands of South Carolina and Georgia.[2] Between 1926 and 1928, four more versions of traditional spirituals with the refrain "Come by Here" or "Come by Heah" were recorded in South Carolina and Georgia on wax cylinder by Robert Winslow Gordon, founder of what became the American Folklife Center at the Library of Congress.[3] In May 1936, John Lomax, Gordon's successor as head of the Library of Congress's folk archive, discovered a woman named Ethel Best singing "Come by Here" with a group in Raiford, Florida.[4]

These facts contradict the longstanding copyright and authorship claim of Reverend Marvin V. Frey.[1] Rev. Frey (1918–1992) claimed to have written the song circa 1936 under the title "Come By Here," inspired, he claimed, by a prayer he heard delivered by "Mother Duffin," a storefront evangelist in Portland, Oregon. It first appeared in this version in Revival Choruses of Marvin V. Frey, a lyric sheet printed in Portland, Oregon in 1939. Frey claimed the change of the title to "Kum Ba Yah" came about in 1946, when a missionary family returned from Africa where they had sung Frey's version and slightly changed the words. This family toured America singing the song with the text "Kum Ba Yah".[1] This account is contradicted by the fact that a nearly identical Gullah version of the song was recorded almost two decades earlier. According to Samuel Freedman (The New York Times, November 20, 2010), the metamorphosis to the "African" word Kumbaya was explained in liner notes to a 1959 Pete Seeger album, but "no scholar has ever found an indigenous word 'kumbaya' with a relevant meaning.".[5] Freedman goes on to discuss the usage of kumbaya as a term of political rhetoric.

[edit] Folk music revivalJoe Hickerson, one of the Folksmiths, recorded the song in 1957, as did Pete Seeger in 1958. Hickerson credits Tony Saletan, then a songleader at the Shaker Village Work Camp, for introducing him to "Kumbaya" (Saletan had learned it from Lynn Rohrbough, co-proprietor with his wife Katherine of the camp songbook publisher Cooperative Recreation Service, predecessor to World Around Songs).[6][7][8][9] Joe Hickerson later succeeded Gordon at the American Folklife Center.[10] The song enjoyed newfound popularity during the American folk music revival of the early-to-mid 1960s, largely due to Joan Baez's 1962 recording of the song, and became associated with the Civil Rights Movement of that decade.

Version 1

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Someone's laughing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's laughing, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Someone's crying, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's crying, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's crying, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's praying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Someone's singing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Someone's singing, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

Version 2

Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Kum bay ya, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Hear me crying and laughing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me crying, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me crying, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Hear me singing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me singing, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me singing, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya;
Hear me praying, Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.
Oh, I need you, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Oh, I need you, my Lord, kum bay ya;
Oh, I need you, my Lord, kum bay ya,
O Lord, kum bay ya.

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by ascension211


OK, I could counter by saying that you never provided any proof of what you were saying so of course I would like to see that.

As far as the vaunted planetary alignment goes have a read of this: www.2012hoax.org...

But what about 2012? Nope. Nada. Nothing. There aren’t any ‘alignments’, except for the normal conjunctions that happen every year. For a good page on what exactly is meant by ‘alignments’ (and some of the pseudo-scientific claims about them) take a look at this page by Dr. Donald Luttermoser at East Tennessee State University[2].

Go to the page to get the links to Dr Luttermoser.

You might also want to read up on the 'Galactic Plane'

So, over to you..............

reply to post by magickmaster



Just like the bath salt users stopped boasting about liking the acetone high, which was allowed to be called 'synthetic marijuana', after the face eater episode in Florida, and all but disappeared, so too will all the doom porn freaks.

Correction....they'll latch on to a new doom fantasy. Probably start enjoying a new man made drug too. They can never get enough of this stuff, you see.

Originally posted by magickmaster
Here is what I think.

The whole world was prophesied to think there would be something major happening, and everybody held their breath, and it was only after this date, people got on with their lives. So, a whole bunch of # happened after 2012 and it heralded a change in the whole world.

What do you personally think will happen?

This just about sums it up. I'd be hoping for a wholesale shift away from being caught up in drama queen stuff like this, but there are too many people who need bread and circus items to survive the numbing drone of corporeal existence for this colossal nonevent's failure to become a teachable moment. It'll be on to the next date with destiny for most of them.

I guess someone will have to come up with another false flag. As with most mornings, I will make coffee and give thanks for what I am.

Being that its on a friday ill be drunk!

I will be at yet another end of the world party. It's the next day that I will be afraid of, when I am nursing a horrendous hang over.

I'm not too good with the alignment stuff but I have a question. When they mean the Sun aligns with the centre of the Milky Way, instead of the annual alignment, don't they actually mean the Sun moving across the Galactic Equator which could possibly be a cycle of its own that happens every 13,000 years or so?

reply to post by Xcalibur254


www.ancient-world-mysteries.com...

Of the basic configuration as detailed, with reference to the crossing point of the earth ecliptic line and the galactic equator, one may note then that visually, there will be an alignment of the earth, the sun, and the galactic equator twice every year. In one instance, the earth will be between the sun and the galactic equator, and in another (exactly 6 months later) the sun will be between the earth and the galactic equator. The 2012 AD alignment as is said to be associated with the Long Count calendar is of exactly this type, being of the latter stated order: Earth > Sun > Galactic Equator, but critically, with one very important additional factor, which indeed makes the entire arrangement far more complex and infrequent: The 2012 AD conjunction is one that involves the earth, sun, and the galactic equator, specifically at a time when the earth is at the winter solstice (northern hemisphere) point of its orbit, at a seasonal extreme. Now, an event of this sort certainly does not occur every year, but rather once only every 25800 years. And this is due to a very subtle celestial motion: precession.

while this does not show the planetary alignment i have seen it in stellarium, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. But for every site you show me that supports your theory I can show you others to support mine. Either way take care and be well.

Sincerely,

Ascension211

reply to post by ascension211


That link you posted is actually wrong as well. The solstice alignment was the closest in 1998. Since then the alignment has been getting closer and closer to happening on December 22.

I think it is kind of like the "last hope" for the New Age movement in general - If you really think about it, the otherside is always there, you can always work on your spiritual nature, and really, 2012 is really just a collective metaphor for our own times of "judgement" - and that, as System Resistor, I resist, because God does not judge.

Originally posted by BIHOTZ
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy

 

I had not taken into account your bo staff skills. That changes everything. So we are looking at a trans-dimensional shift prompted by Yellowstone erupting, where you are the chosen one, who gets bitten by vampires and werewolves and becomes the abomination chosen one, and leads a repressive rebel force into DC, and declares super martial law, where no one is allowed to do anything(except sit catatonic looking at designated Justin beaver posters), in light of the impending mortal combat realm super imposing onto our reality, which of course you will have to fight off, in the form of a fairy Guro...with 12 arms and 3 legs....and a tu tu

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Oh, god no!

Not Bieber!!!!

If there was a God then the first person wiped out from the Yellowstone eruption would be Justin Bieber.

In all seriousness I do believe that we are due from some sort of collapse. Economic collapse nudged on by a natural disaster would be my number one guess. Or some sort of attack on our soil. Honestly I don't think it would take much to "end our world as we know it".

I'm sure I'll be listening to the news on the 22nd of some crazy cult group who committed mass suicide on the 21st.
That almost seems to be a given anymore...unfortunately.

Before a thunderstorm, you see little flies roll on their backs, wriggle and die. Why? THe electrostatics from the storm messes up their tiny minds.

It is said that the solar maximum will only harm electrical equipment, but is this true? Oneof the effects in taking drugs etc is to make the person increasingly paraniod. Could this be a side effect of a solar maximum? We already see it with the obsession with the Police State and distrust of Governemnt as well as Israel and iran wanting tonuke each other off the planet.

At the caveman level, yes, a few emn might have had a punch-up, but in todays world, armed with nukes, it could be catastrophic if everyone becomes, slightly insane - paranoid and aggressive.

In short, everyone keeps on about "moving to a higher consciousness", but what if it is a move to a LOWER CONSCIOUSNESS - we all become thick, ignorant, aggressive thugs, the sort of thing you'd expect from a socialist?

it is a loaded question, sure ive replied before but i have more to say. ive been putting lots of thought into this date for years and years now, im almost sad the date is here because theres no longer any date to look forward too. (though im sure the doom porn will find another glamourous date, but id rather be honest and say im addicted to the doom porn than lie and try convince you and myself) ive really found myself thinking on more of a down to earth level, such as "should i stay home on the 20th and 21st? why? only because im not worried about aliens landing or pole shifts etc, im more worried about civil unrest and people who DO believe its the end of the world. i wonder maybe i should call in sick to protect the family. the only thing ive really "gained" from knowing and intensely researching this 2012 garbage is mental preparation. meaning i feel ready for the date. others who havent prepared or have shrugged it off and havent done any research will be more prone to fall into panic mode.

i mean if people truly believe its the end of the world as the media portrays, then whats to stop them from just going from house to house to looting and raping and killing whom they please, i mean why not? or whats to say the supermarket wont be out of food for a month as its all bought out. so you see i find myself in more of a down to earth survival mode, really wondering "can i afford a months worth of food to stockpile on my paycheck to paycheck income?" or "am i truly prepared to take someones life who intrudes into my home with the intent to take mine or a family members?" questions like "am i mentally prepared to see the world go nuts and my family go nuts as i have to be the voice of reason?" its a very odd mix of feelings because im truly ready to die if something extraordinary happens mass cataclysm, and im spiritually and mentally prepared to accept something such as an alien landing or nwo, or non apocalyptic. so im completely prepared for the big stuff, but its the down to earth smaller things that really worry me.

and if you read my former post i truly believe the only thing happening will be man made, so yeah i do plan on going to work the 22nd and forking out tons of money for the materialistic holiday called xmas. alot of the fear goes beyond "2012" but also to 2013. ill be the first to admit i have wasted alot of mental energy and reason on this 2012 nonsense, and im easily a doom porn addict. so come 2013 ill be facing a new world, a new look on life, and its very scary to me. ive always had this dec 21st 2012 date as almost a security or comfort concept in my head, constantly getting stressed over the years saying "only a few more years to go.. a couple years, a year, half a year, to now 2 months, to eventually its here and its gone." then what? ive wasted all those years worried and preparing for some stupid date thats nothing more than social hype.

ive held myself back in life because of this date, its been a problem for me i wont lie.even now i find myself "trapped" by this date. so for me personally dec 21st does offer an "end" to something, offers an end to me getting caught up in the bull, going through this i know i will not allow myself to get caught up in it, the doom porn will always be there, but 2013 will find me with a rational mind, no longer giving into nonsense. i really only can blame myself for giving into 2012 so much so that it controls my life in many ways, and for what? i mean if your time comes, your time comes, and it doesnt matter how its delivered, whether a giant meteor, or 1 single misguided person who thinks the worlds going to end, barging into the house and murdering me. sorry for the long rant, but i find myself just really facing this "fantasy date" with a very level headed view and i can tell you this, all my studying, research, and imagination over the years, and believe me i have put in alot of time, has all led to this; i know no more than the next guy what will happen 2 months from today, i truly dont. i know how to react to many scenarios, i know how to respond, but truly i do not know, and i will be very grateful the 22nd. maybe disappointed in some way deep down, but grateful.

we miss the important things in life, were too busy on the fleeting material things. 2013 will find me focusing more on my relationship with God and my family, stopping to smell the roses, what good lasting thing does money buy? so while 2012 i cannot tell you what happens, i can tell you what happens on the 22nd, and that is rationalism hopefully, because the world has enough problems of its own without doom fantasy.