Was there a connection between the Illuminati, the Templar Knights and the MJ-12 ?

Originally posted by no1smootha
reply to post by Soupornuts

 

The first photos look like photos from a Catholic baptism to me, if the photos are of you then you should be able to find your father's name and much more from records at the Catholic church. The photo of the book isn't very clear but might be the Bible especially if it was a part of the photos from the Baptism. I am not Catholic but I did convert to Orthodox Christian which very similar to Catholicism, when I was Baptized the priest cut some of my hair as a part of the Baptism.

The page with the postcard from your maternal grandfather where you suggest he may have been a part of "St. Aldemar Commandery No. 18", which if he was would also be a good place to check as Freemasons keep great records of membership and if he was a member they'd be happy to tell you about it. You make another leap assuming he was in Theosophical Society (again contacting them would be fruitful if he was). The pirate flag and Indy sticker could be simply momentos. Grandfather's "shrine" seems like a fancy gated trellis at the entrance of a garden to me. Your grandfather was in the AF as well, yet another place to search for information about your maternal lineage.You are reading into the "meaning" of the image on the front of the card, I don't see anything particularly symbolic about it. However the photo of your grandfather and his ring, are you sure it was Masonic? Many fraternities have a ring, but if you are sure he was a Freemason then the Lodge near his house would be a good place to look as well. It occurs to me that most of the possibly Masonic aspects of your story are not your father at all but rather your grandfather. Your discussion of the Templar history is unrelated to your family history except by speculation, there is nothing from the postcard that firmly ties your father to the Templars. Anyway, not to diminish from you or your search. I think it will be a benefit to learn more about your family, I just think that you are looking in the wrong places for information.

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No, it wasn't a baptism, sorry.

It was taken with Kodak Tri-pan X film, which is specifically for low light conditions.

That's why there is an enhanced shot of the full moon through the oculus in the ceiling of the church.

What religion does baptisms under a lunar eclipse, and who uses low light film for an event normally done during the day ?

Beside the point though, I wasn't ever baptized.

You won't find what my grandfather's unit was doing in France at the end of the war because it's classified.

So, good luck with that.

As far as your assessment of the items from my grandfather, I stand by what I said, every bit of it. There are no " giant leaps " being taken, and just because you don't see or understand the symbols doesn't invalidate them.

For example, the bee is the symbol the Merovingians used, can you dispute that with factual evidence ?

No, you can't

There really is no argument to be had here.

I could point out that you are wrong about your statements, for example, you say there is no connection between the postcard and the Templars, but yet the Templars used the jolly roger flag.

And on and on.

I'll tell you what though, since I don't really have it in me to argue nonstop with people who don't know what their arguing about, I'll leave you wise folks at ATS to do your thing, whatever it is.

reply to post by AugustusMasonicus



If you want that information, use your fingers to type a search phrase into a search engine and go look it up, don't ask me to do it for you.

I stand by the statement " many members belong to multiple groups at the same time ".

Have a nice day

reply to post by Soupornuts


"I stand by the statement " many members belong to multiple groups at the same time "

Seems to stand up to reason, i mean we all know its a house of cards, smoke and mirrors so to speak. It would make sense for information to be compartmentalised with only a few in the know. That way there great scheme is self perpetuating. And all behind the publics eye. Black budget this, black bag him/her, who's to blame, who knows?

Originally posted by Soupornuts
If you want that information, use your fingers to type a search phrase into a search engine and go look it up, don't ask me to do it for you.

I am asking you because I am not sure which of the Templar orginizations using that name are the 'legitimate' heirs to the 13th Century group.

Again, please list a few members.

Originally posted by Soupornuts
No, actually it's the other way around, you're jumping to conclusions.

Says the guy who's only been studying these things "since February", trying to explain it to Masons who've been members for years.

No, it wasn't a baptism, sorry.
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Beside the point though, I wasn't ever baptized.

And yet you believe you were only 3 days old when the pictures were taken, so how the hell can you say for sure you were never baptized? It's not like you would remember. It's not like your mother was forthcoming with any facts. Conclusions, jumping to them...

It was taken with Kodak Tri-pan X film, which is specifically for low light conditions.
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What religion does baptisms under a lunar eclipse, and who uses low light film for an event normally done during the day ?

Any photographer wanting to shoot something indoors in a church without using a flash. Basic photography. There's not enough light in a church even during the day to use a slower film without a flash and get a good shot. Obviously using a flash during a religious ceremony would be distracting and frowned upon by the participants.

That's why there is an enhanced shot of the full moon through the oculus in the ceiling of the church.

There's absolutely no way to tell from looking at that picture that there's really a hole in the oculus. Most churches using that design would really have a painting up there. (This isn't a stadium with a retractable roof... what the hell would they do when it rained? What about winter?) Basically, you're assuming it was open, and you're assuming it was a full moon, but if all you've got is a 24 x 36 mm piece of paper, and you don't even know what church that is, there's no way you can know for certain that it was really an opening or that it was really even at night.

reply to post by Soupornuts
You would just dismiss the possibility that the photos from the church were from your Baptism without looking into it at all? Let me recount my evidence again.

1. Photos of a baby taken at a church, Photographs and video are encouraged at the baptism ceremony.

2. Baby dressed in white clothing, a white Christening gown is customary.

3. The hair cut at the church, the first cut of baby's hair is to be done by the priest at the baby's baptism.

4. In one of your posts you mention Godparents, which play a very important role in the baptized infant's spiritual life.

5. Most importantly for your search, the baptism will be recorded in the permanent records of the parish.

It looks to me as though you are in fact baptized Catholic (or maybe Orthodox but more likely Catholic considering you Father was French). I recommend talking to a Priest at a local Catholic church to help you find your Baptism record. There you will find the family that your mother kept from you for forty years. Also you will discover the identity of your godparents. At the end of your lonely search, you might find that you have a family to welcome you.

reply to post by Soupornuts


Q; "Was there a connection between the Illuminati, the Templar Knights and the MJ-12 ?"
A: Probably on a Scrabble® board. Perhaps in real life as well. Interesting to think about.

reply to post by Soupornuts


I guess it all depends on what you are truly looking for. If you are looking for ways to put these pieces together to make a satanic mass involving a defunct group and demons, then I suppose there is nothing anyone can say that will persuade you. If you are looking for the truth, I would be as honest as you can be with what you know and give others with opposing viewpoints a chance.

Either way, happy searching.

a reply to: Soupornuts

Is this topic still active and are you really serious and do you have those marks in your body really? Just to make sure, because I have read that in abovetopsecret people are trolling...

Anyway, I have triangle shaped birthmark in my right knee and near to it there is a mole. I was touching this triangle birthmark with my fingers and intuitively just came to my mind that I have moles which are forming necklace. Then I start searching with google triangle birthmark and came to this discussion. So far, what i have read about this subject I understand in my mind and I think this is about reincarnation mystery. Because I keep seeing one dream and when I have been doing by myself reincarnation "therapy" and try to search by myself who I was in past life I was a soldier in France. In this "dream" or in this "reincarnation session" there is a weird feeling that I really am this France soldier and I know how I was killed and when I saw or like a be this soldier, it was like shock to be back in this woman body in this reincarnation, because it is hard to see and feel your own death again and after that I was sleeping some 36 hours, because emotions, feelings and body needs rest after seeing, feeling and being this same soul in different bodies in different reincarnations.

After reading this thread I checked more and I also got moles under my right breast which are forming triangle. These mole birthmarks are like "tattooed" maps or starmaps, I came to that conclusion.

I cannot see images what you have uploaded and really liked to see them so can you post those again or send them to me directly? My son also got birthmarks and moles in different parts of body like in finger and hands and so on...

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

Now I checked even more and also in my back there is moles which are forming big triangle.

I have also seen dream like "thing" what I don't know what it is. I was thinking is it timetravelling or what because I saw when Kennedy was shot. I know who did it in this "vision" or what to call it, like that you are in this place where this Kennedy shooting is happening... or then I really was there when I was a baby and got adopted or something but it was so horrible that my mind turns it away but it just keep coming back in dreams or something like that... I don't know for sure...

a reply to: Soupornuts

I know one man also who got necklace birthmarks and I have been with him almost my whole life. But he is evil and raised that way.

About these reincarnation and death and so on... I know there are these "freemasons" who are making hell of others life. But after death there is this Summerland, highest place of evolution and we real people are really living there all the time. My mom just died and was in hospital. In the morning I felt my daddy's presence around me and I lost my dad when I was ten year old. All the sudden my dad was in my presence and I knew something has happened to mom and I went to hospital and my mom was died during the night because of cancer. I went to shock because I got to see my mom when she was dead and in the Spiritworld and in Summerland they said to me they are taking me with them so I don't had to suffer anymore because of what idiots are doing and making hell of my life. But I said no, I am not coming yet... People who are living in Summerland has reached that kind of concsiousness that they are doing it all over again. Like tibetan buddhists are praying and meditating and they just go over and over again and evil people are doing # to them and then they just meditate and go back to have same #. I know people who are dead and after when I was worried they come to me in Spiritworld like hey, don't worry we are forever young here in Summerland...
It is like a Guns and Roses Civil War.

a reply to: Soupornuts

It just came to my mind there might be other witnesses taken around the world from this happening place. No one obviously don't want to speak about it because my mom has never told anything. Before she got in to hospital she said to me many times did I remember for sure her doorcode. Over and over again she ask do I remember her doorcode with her look. Doorcode is also a year, but I don't know who has put this doorcode to her. There is something weird behind my mother's death and also my dad disappeared or died and when I called to the graveyard office the person in phone was shocked that there is no year when daddy died and no one cannot put in grave without dates. I just knew and felt my dad presence and never belived he is dead in that time. I found out that grave with same name as my dad is in America. I live in Northern part of world.

a reply to: Soupornuts

Have it ever come to mind why there is this singer Marilyn Manson in nowadays?

I started to do voluntarily charity work when I was just with pure heart sending Mother Teresa quilts around the world and all kinds of other campaigns like Plant flowers, not bombs etc There came one odd group causing chaos over this pure hearted people and there was some old lady Marilyn who also sent Mother Teresa quilts from America but I got these packages in the middle of night delivered to my door. And other groups who came to this was some weird names which are linked to real Charles Manson group. This old lady Marilyn was only creating chaos for real and pure hearted people who just want to help. I also got letters where was these Red Fox stamps with original dollar sign with two lines. But unfortunately other stamp near to it was of course satanic destroyer of America with latin words and symbols....

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

The person you are replying to has not logged on in over a year.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well, I am misfit. And there is this Kalachakra Prophecy and Kalachakra Tenfold Powerful system.

There are also Lid of Ixchel if you can read glyphs. It also jewish symbol when one shall not absolutely kill.
www.mayasautenticos.com...

And there is Telektonon

www.lawoftime.org...

O children of the people of the dawn, o children of the people of the book, I come as the special witness of time to remind you, especially on the day of truth, that in your origin you are one, and on the day of truth you are to make yourselves one again. For this I remind you of the Cube of the Law, Telektonon, and the 28-day, thirteen moon way which is the path of the righteous.

Nah Chan, Palenque, Xibalbay, Tollan, Xochicalco, Tepozteco, Amatlan: in these signs dwell my special agents, the witnesses of truth, 13.66.56 and Bolon Ik, Daughter of Job.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

Sorry, not interested, just giving you the heads up so you do not continue to hold a one sided conversation with a defunct member.

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

And I got to say that how low can this Marilyn go, all over and over again. 13 "abortions", not any morality, but only power hungry greedy chaos messy person and not even nice. Now even some mob "muslimmafia" has made identity theft for me. Obviously "muslimmafia" will have money and this new "me" will not speak. But she is not authentic... only I can... :-)

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Well, I am not usually using this kind of forums and my life is not here. Ok. Marilyn giving ass for anyone to keep her career up. Abortions" to keep her career up. Who the # is doing for her own babies anything like this? Absolute madness. And I even look like her... almost a copy by a look, but not in my heart and soul...

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

Replying to myself and then not posting anymore. It has said that people know who did it but America cannot handle the truth. And I don't care about my origins really but I am saying like every healthy parent would say, that if you ever hurt my child I am making things what makes Charles Manson look like Mother Teresa.

a reply to: Morganmoonbaby

I'm sorry but what are you talking about? You seem to be all over the place from JFK, to Marily Monroe, birth marks, abortions ( I'm doubting the fact Monroe had 13 abortions), Kalachakra Prophecy. I'm having a hard time understanding what point you're trying to get across.