The Right Wing Echo Chamber

reply to post by spiritualzombie

Dear spiritualzombie,

Well, of course it's up to you, but if you feel like it's worth a try, I'd be happy to be your experimental gunea pig. But I have to do it tomorrow, too late tonight.

With respect,
Charles1952

Originally posted by campanionator
Fox news is the left

Hitler was a hippy

And

Governor Wallace aligned with ACORN and NAACP

THIS IS JUST OUTRAGEOUS!
Think of all the hippies you just hurt!!
"I fell a disturbance in The Force."

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Socialism is the period after overthrowing the capitalist government but in-between full blown communism. You can't be socialist and be anti-communist at the same time. They are nearly the exact same thing.

Oh lord!
You are so wrong here.
I'm Swedish and we had social democrats in power for like 50 years or something. NOW we have some visiting americans telling us we are more right wing then they are!! (Slow turn to the right in the mid eighties. Sharp right turn shortly after the murder of Olof Palme.)
I'm a socialist and have no faith in a totalitarian anything.
democracy
Hope you were joking RealSpoke.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by campanionator

 

Again, you have done nothing at all to disprove any of the facts I wrote, and the excerpts and links I provided. Instead you have shown ignorance in almost everything that you have written in this thread.

I won't go down to petty ad hominem attacks as you have done, and it is obvious it is not even worth it to respond to your ignorance.

Anyway, to anyone else who would rather discuss the topic, it is obvious, and thanks to another member that we have found out that the OP seems to be lying to further some sort of agenda for the left.

I wouldn't even have brought up the facts about NAZI (National Socialist) Germany if we hadn't been shown that the OP believes that "republicans are using NAZI propaganda", which shows how little the OP, among some others, really know about NAZI Germany.

Although Rachel Maddow once in a blue moon says something intelligent, and notable, it is obvious that this particular point is nothing more than a play at politics with a bias to leftwing politics on her part.

So let me get this straight...because the Nazi acronym had the word socialist in it, you simply deduct that the Nazi's were left-wing?

Originally posted by Summerian

Originally posted by RealSpoke
Socialism is the period after overthrowing the capitalist government but in-between full blown communism. You can't be socialist and be anti-communist at the same time. They are nearly the exact same thing.

Oh lord!
You are so wrong here.
I'm Swedish and we had social democrats in power for like 50 years or something. NOW we have some visiting americans telling us we are more right wing then they are!! (Slow turn to the right in the mid eighties. Sharp right turn shortly after the murder of Olof Palme.)
I'm a socialist and have no faith in a totalitarian anything.

democracy

Hope you were joking RealSpoke.

A political party calling itself socialist, does not mean they are not right-wing. As many people have already pointed out here, the Nazis called themselves socialist and were on the extreme far right-wing end of the political spectrum.

It seems that some people are unable to grasp that anyone can apply the words socialist and socialism to political movements, without it having any reference to mean what end of the political spectrum they are or are not on.

This really should not be a difficult concept to comprehend.

How do you determine if a position is "left" or "right?" Is it the relative size of the government? The amount of property and industry under private control? Is it the amount of individual freedom vs.government coercion? What is it?

Nice Vid and topic OP. You know now I understand why tonight I got banned from GLP for pointing out that ACORN was never charged for any voter fraud in the 2008 election. Even provided links to back it up and of course I was banned. If you try and even break this crazy propaganda and point on the truth they just won't have it. Messed up times we are living in.

reply to post by Summerian


No, I'm not wrong. I'm going by Marxist theory, I don't know what you're going by. And communism does not authoritarian anything...

The Marxist conception of socialism is that of a specific historical phase that will displace capitalism and precede communism. The major characteristics of socialism (particularly as conceived by Marx and Engels after the Paris Commune of 1871) are that the proletariat will control the means of production through a workers' state erected by the workers in their interests. Economic activity would still be organised through the use of incentive systems and social classes would still exist, but to a lesser and diminishing extent than under capitalism.

For orthodox Marxists, socialism is the lower stage of communism based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his contribution" while upper stage communism is based on the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need"; the upper stage becoming possible only after the socialist stage further develops economic efficiency and the automation of production has led to a superabundance of goods and services

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by sheepslayer247

that some people do not know what socialism is.

Is that really the best you can do? I expect more from you.

Hitler was a Socialist

jonjayray.tripod.com...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Hitler was a Socialist

jonjayray.tripod.com...

Please list all of the socialist policies that Hitler enacted, making him a socialist.

Anyone here is free to read the position posted in the article for an analysis of Hitler's leftist ideas.

there! fixed it

Please feel free to translate this page from the French

translate.google.com...

from that page, points in Hitler's program which are expressly socialistic in nature, representative of income redistribution schemes, hatred of capitalism, and the same so-called need to adjust "income inequality".

few months before the change of name German Workers Party (DAP), Adolf Hitler pésente itself a 25-point program, voted and approved before a gathering of 2,000 members, 24 February 1920 in Munich Hofbräuhaus.
Of these 25 points, a few titles that did not disavow certainly, many left parties today:


7. We demand that the State undertakes to provide all citizens livelihoods.

11. The elimination of income idlers and those who have an easy life, the abolition of slavery interest.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses now owned by trusts.

14. We demand a share in the profits of big business.

15. We require a substantial increase in retirees' pensions.

Sure sounds like the Democrats of today

Originally posted by DiRtYDeViL
Nice Vid and topic OP. You know now I understand why tonight I got banned from GLP for pointing out that ACORN was never charged for any voter fraud in the 2008 election. Even provided links to back it up and of course I was banned. If you try and even break this crazy propaganda and point on the truth they just won't have it. Messed up times we are living in.

No one is going to ban you from posting it here.
So why didn't you?

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I've told a certain person I will not ever respond to her, and my position still stands. That person is free to read the position posted in the article for an analysis of Hitler's leftist ideas.

I knew you would not be able to do it.
By the way that whole "I am not talking to you because you made me mad thing" seems all kinds of mature.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

7. We demand that the State undertakes to provide all citizens livelihoods.

That would be Statist not Socialist. Number 7, is not a Socialist goal.

11. The elimination of income idlers and those who have an easy life, the abolition of slavery interest.

You realize that number 11 was part of the indoctrination of hatred against the Jewish Bankers? Hitler began a constant rhetoric of how the bankers (the jews) were parasitic and didn't work for their money... that interest on loans was a form of slavery. He took the truth of the problem Germany was facing with unregulated banking and turned it into something horrific.

That isn't Socialism...it's insanity. Furthermore his methodology in creating demons and revving up hatred against the 'culprits' was not lost on today's GOP.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses now owned by trusts. 1

4. We demand a share in the profits of big business.

Can you name any Socialist in the US today asking for these? Do you not understand that is not Socialism at all?

Socialism does not equate to standing outside of CEO's office demanding they share their pay with the rest of us. Socialism is worker ownership of the means of production... ensuring workers a bigger share of the pie for whatever enterprise they are in partnership for. This is as opposed to what we have now, which is only a few steps up from slavery, Ceo's with multi-million dollar salaries and the workers making $12.00/hour.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


"Hitler's leftist ideas"

Exactly the kind of ignorance I had hoped I would not run into on here. How wrong I was.

Please, get out of the echo chamber for more than 30 minutes.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by sheepslayer247

 

that some people do not know what socialism is.

Is that really the best you can do? I expect more from you.

Apparently, it is quite clear that many people do not the meaning of socialism. Sad but true.

There has been plenty of comments made that show some folks refuse to use the word socialism in it's proper context, and that does not help when you are trying to have an intelligent conversation.

We all practice socialism in our daily lives and in our government. It is not the "black sheep" that the NeoCons try to make it out to be.

The only echo I am hearing in this chamber is "bull#"

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I am understanding the concept of socialism completely, and realize that your ideal utopia is impossible to achieve. Especially when people refuse to agree with you, they are not "intelligent"

reply to post by MidnightTide


Do you wish to refute a comment or claim that I have made? I am willing to listen to your opinion, but just calling BS doesn't drive your point home.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Anyone here is free to read the position posted in the article for an analysis of Hitler's leftist ideas.

Jesus had even more leftist ideas.
I bet you wish you just tried to make your point to me now. Oh, you did. You did reply to me without saying you were. Well, thanks to our agreement I see far more intelligent and informed people already set you straight.

I think ATS needs to have a vocabulary test for its posters at times.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by MidnightTide

 

Do you wish to refute a comment or claim that I have made? I am willing to listen to your opinion, but just calling BS doesn't drive your point home.

What claim, that the Republican party is using propaganda to direct public perceptions into what they want (Hell yes they do this), but you refuse to acknowledge that the Democrat Party does the exact same thing. You claim that the right wing have a special place for this, but I can see the exact same garbage from the left.

Your idea socialist utopia, that you claim some of us do not understand, is a complete impossibility with human nature.....