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Originally posted by Deetermined
After some research, I believe the Anti-Christ will be of Middle Eastern descent, but won't come from an established religious background of being Jewish, Muslim or Christian.
Daniel 11:37-39
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
John 5:43
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
1 John 2:22
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
So, the Anti-Christ won't be someone who just denies Jesus Christ, but the Father also. Many would say that even though Muslims and Jews don't believe that Jesus is who he said he was, they still believe in God the Father, but the Anti-Christ is going to try and destroy that notion too.
I think he'll claim to be God, but not the God that everyone has believed in up until now, hence the need for the "strong delusion".
2 Thessalonians 2:11
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
edit on 24-9-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by WarminIndy
Maybe they don't believe in God as being the Father to Jesus, but Islam is considered an Abrahamic religion, where they believe that their God is the same God that Abraham followed and they consider the Old Testament prophets of the Bible to be true prophets, along with Jesus.
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Remember though, the Bible never says the Jews will follow him. It says the nations will. "The nations" is a Hebraism for "non-jews". The Jews will be destroyed for refusing to accept the AC as god.
So what god did he worship? Hubal, the moon god. This has been proven extensively. So no, not the same gods at all.
The Qur'an teaches that Islam is the continued faithful religion in the same line as the Prophets who were before Muhammad:
"The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah ... and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus" (42:13 AYA).
The result of this view is that the scriptures given by these Prophets are considered to be genuine scriptures from God: But say,
"We (Muslims) believe in the Revelation which has come down to us and in that which came down to you (Jews & Christians); our Allah and your Allah is One" (29:46 AYA).
In the Qur'an there are many references to the Jewish and Christian Holy Books. In fact the Qur'an addresses Christians and Jews in terms of the Book:
"O People of the Book!" (5:68 AYA).
God's Mission For The People of the Book Christians and Jews are mentioned in the Qur'an as the custodians of scripture:
"For to them was entrusted the protection of Allah's Book" (5:47 AYA/44 MP).
God gave the scripture to the Christians and Jews so that they could make known to the whole world and every nation the true knowledge of God:
"And remember Allah took a Covenant from the People of the Book, to make it known and clear to mankind, and not to hide it" (3:187 AYA).
Some of the Jews and Christians fulfilled this mission, others did not. Just as there are faithful and unfaithful Muslims so too the Qur'an distinguishes between the faithful and the unfaithful Christians and Jews.
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Remember though, the Bible never says the Jews will follow him. It says the nations will. "The nations" is a Hebraism for "non-jews". The Jews will be destroyed for refusing to accept the AC as god.
Revelation 18:23 says that "all nations" will be deceived.
Why would "non-jews" be the only ones under the "strong delusion" when it was the Jews who first rejected Jesus?edit on 24-9-2012 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
The Jews don't accept the AC bro, they get attacked and decimated because of it. 2/3 will perish. The world falls in love with him, not the Jews.
Personally, I think the Anti-Christ is going to convince everyone that the God of the Old Testament is an impostor, misleading them on what the requirements of the true Messiah would really be.
Another one is that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was the sister of Aaron. The problem here is, Miriam was the sister of Moses and Aaron, but not the mother of Jesus. Mohammed even confuses who the father of Moses, Aaron and Miriam was. I think those historical errors should be enough to disqualify him, but they say they will believe Mohammed anyway, whether he was right or wrong.
The Quran and Hadiths show it is very evident that allah and God are not the same, neither have the same character, nature or words. The Quran also says that the Jews say Ezra was the son of God, but no Jewish person has ever said that. Allah is merely a contraction word "il" and ilah" which simply means "the god". So what god did he worship? Hubal, the moon god. This has been proven extensively. So no, not the same gods at all.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
The Jews don't accept the AC bro, they get attacked and decimated because of it. 2/3 will perish. The world falls in love with him, not the Jews.
They do get fooled for the first 3.5 years. Only when he stands in the Holy Place and claims to be God do they see who he is, that's when they rebel and flee.
Not so much "fooled", but the make a peace deal with him and the muslim nations he controls. The midpoint of that he breaks his peace deal marches into Jerusalem and sets himself up in the temple to be worshipped as god in the flesh. That's the abomination that causes them to flee.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by NOTurTypical
Not so much "fooled", but the make a peace deal with him and the muslim nations he controls. The midpoint of that he breaks his peace deal marches into Jerusalem and sets himself up in the temple to be worshipped as god in the flesh. That's the abomination that causes them to flee.
Just out of curiosity, what do you think needs to happen in order for "a peace deal" to even be considered?
How and what do you think the Anti-Christ is going to come up with that no one has tried to come up with before?
Originally posted by dwarfflex
Interesting point where is this mentioned in the scriptures, ie 2/3 of Israel are wiped out.
Allah to was one of 314 deity's in mecca, Muhammad's uncle was a follower of the Allah deity, who was said to have a trilogy of three daughters
Originally posted by Deetermined
Originally posted by dwarfflex
Interesting point where is this mentioned in the scriptures, ie 2/3 of Israel are wiped out.
Zechariah 13:8-9
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.