The GMO debate is over; GM crops must be immediately outlawed; Monsanto halted from threatening huma

Here is an excellent article on how to avoid GMO food. Well worth the read!

blogs.webmd.com...

reply to post by hawkiye


Thanks so much! i bookmarked it.

I'm trying to find a CSA here in Florida that is a good fit for my large family. They also have a couple pick your own hydroponic farms here open year round. That'll be step one. Step two, is to figure the meat situation out.

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Your the perfect example of what im talking about, all i said was that people should put a bit more thought into it, and i never once said anything negative about people speaking up about GM, just that they should give it more thought. what was your response? an inflammatory half rave about feeding the massess and how you were labled an eco terrorist. i dont see what that has to do with what i was saying.

And as far as feeding the population, so you say people have been doing it for along time throughout history? what about a population of 7+ billion? how do you feed that many people with your small scale eco manure bull#? Man the view up there on your high horse must be great but i think your missing the finer details from down here on the ground.

I hope I never eat anything genetically modified! o-O

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Well well well ... one of the "Scientists that called Sereli a Fraud in Forbes recently over the rat 2 year study has been involved in a little misunderstanding with Stanford University.....(this time in connection with the California GMO labelling initiative on the ballot Nov-12

Foes of Prop. 37 forced to alter ad

The Prop. 37 campaign and Stanford's legal division took issue with the latest ad, which began airing Oct. 2 and stars Dr. Henry Miller, a fellow at the university's Hoover Institution. They were concerned that the commercial, which was filmed on campus without the university's permission, made it look as if Stanford was taking a side in the debate.

Read more: www.sfgate.com...

The study which the opening post refers to about linking rats with cancer has been recently determined to be untrustworthy, as news article published by Reuters, 4th Oct 2012:

"Considering that the study... has unclear study objectives and given its inadequate design, analysis and reporting, EFSA (European Food Safety Authority, red.) finds that it is of insufficient scientific quality for safety assessments".

To make things worse, according to same Reuters news article:

"...among other criticisms, the panel of EFSA scientists that reviewed the paper said the authors had failed to establish appropriate control groups as part of the study, and had chosen a strain of rat that is prone to developing tumors during its normal lifespan".

The inadequate information regarding the GM crops have influenced public opinion so that 57% of Europeans are against GM and only 27% for it, leading that only one type of GM food - namely corn - is grown in Spain. The public opinion is even more understandable due the fact that in general Europe has no shortage of food. (On contrary, overweight is significant health risk in majority of European Union member countries).

Even if GM crops would cause cancer (noting once more that there is no such link found), there would not be need to worry - if believing the same source on the opening post which tells about the GM food being equal to natural catastrophes or international terrorism.

The referred website named Natural News is - and I quote their own website - "owned and operated by Truth Publishing International, Ltd., a Taiwan corporation". That corporation in turn is online bookstore which among other things sells book e.g. on how how cancer can be cured - I quote again their own online store book details - with "juice made from the whole leaf plant of Aloe Arborescens and honey" (link).

Originally posted by SCITK
The study which the opening post refers to about linking rats with cancer has been recently determined to be untrustworthy, as news article published by Reuters, 4th Oct 2012:

"Considering that the study... has unclear study objectives and given its inadequate design, analysis and reporting, EFSA (European Food Safety Authority, red.) finds that it is of insufficient scientific quality for safety assessments".

If you believe that I'd like interest you in some prime Florida everglades land if I could...

The peer-reviewed paper, published yesterday in Food & Chemical Toxicology Journal, was the first to examine the long-term effects of Roundup and Roundup resistant NK603. Scientists from the University of Caen, France, found that rats exposed to even the smallest amounts developed mammary tumours and severe liver and kidney damage as early as four months in males, and seven months for females, compared with 23 and 14 months respectively for a control group.

Other scientists were quick to question the methodology used by the team of researchers, led by Prof Gilles-Eric Séralini, with criticism centring on the size of the control group and the breed of the rat used in the study.

Now Dr Michael Antoniou, a reader in molecular genetics and member of Criigen – the Committee of Research & Independent Information on Genetic Engineering – has vigorously refuted questions raised by fellow scientists about the robustness of the study.

Researchers had come under fire from Prof Tom Sanders, head of the nutritional sciences research division at King's College London, who said the breed of rats used in the study, the Sprague-Dawley, was very prone to mammary tumours – particularly when food intake is not restricted.

www.gmwatch.org...

There are plenty more. The GM biotech industry is very powerful and influential and has many on government positions. They are the biggest threat to this planet we face at the moment IMO.

"Study linking GM maize to cancer must be taken seriously by regulators
Trial suggesting a GM maize strain causes cancer has attracted a torrent of abuse, but it cannot be swept under the carpet"...

"The GM industry has traditionally reacted furiously and personally. Séralini has been widely insulted and smeared and last year, in some desperation, he sued Marc Fellous, president of the French Association of Plant Biotechnology, for defamation, and won" ...

"But it was a triumph for the scientific and corporate establishment which has used similar tactics to crush other scientists like Arpad Pusztai of the Rowett Institute in Scotland, who was sacked after his research suggested GM potatoes damaged the stomach lining and immune system of rats, and David Quist and Ignacio Chapela, who studied the flow of genes from illegally planted GM maize to Mexican wild maize. But now that the dust is settling, let's look at some of the criticisms and Seralini's responses."...

"...this paper has been published in a peer–reviewed journal with an [Impact Factor] of about 3,"...

www.guardian.co.uk...


However if you want to eat corn that produces it's own round up by all means have at it...

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The Biotech company sponsored Scientists comments are very misleading and par for the course for any study showing problems with round up or gmo's. It's funny, the best repudiation of this study would have been other long term feeding studies, utilizing the carcinogen protocols as a method to debunk the French Professor, but nope they haven't done these kinds of safety tests in the 20 years us American's have been eating more and more of this stuff unlabelled in our food, because Politician's decided that the food was basically the same as non genetically engineered food.

1. The journal of Food & Toxicology is a well respected peer reviewed journal, often used by scientists for reference material quoted in their own original published peer review journals, it is much higher ranked journal than say Nature, and the Biotech Scientists have also published in this journal.

2. The study was designed as a standard Toxicology study and follows those protocols, with the same number of control rats as Monsanto analyzed from one of its study (although they decided only to analyze half the rats in their study). This is the type of study and protocol used for commercial go ahead by regulatory bodies, but they only require 90 days. The paper noted that the excessive tumors above and beyond the number usually expected for this strain of rat and said this warranted an independent carcinogen protocol testing. However it should be noted cancer research (not related to GMO's) has used smaller groups, without getting savaged.
The study showed without a doubt that damage occurs to the kidneys, liver and thyroid. Harm starts showing up at 4 months; the industry standard cut-off is 3 months. Statistical harm was shown for roundup, this gmo corn & gmo + roundup.

Anyway it’s easy to consume this food in the USA, it’s in everything made from corn/soy/canola/cottonseed oil, some fruits & veggies and all animal/farmed fish products. You actually have to make a serious effort to avoid it, either by buying USDA Organic (which over time is going to become contaminated..because you can not contain seeds/pollen) and reading labels to avoid products likely to be made / fed GMO’s…so if you feel safe in the hands of Monsanto there’s nothing else to do but sit back and eat.

The study linking GM Maize to cancer has been rejected by European Food Safety authority as unscientific!!

Considering that the study as reported in the Séralini et al. (2012) publication is of inadequate design, analysis and reporting, EFSA finds that it is of insufficient scientific quality for safety assessment.

-From here

The study linking GM Maize to cancer has been rejected by European Food Safety authority as unscientific!!

Considering that the study as reported in the Séralini et al. (2012) publication is of inadequate design, analysis and reporting, EFSA finds that it is of insufficient scientific quality for safety assessment.

Yeah some bought and paid for political hacks whose word means nothing. They will sell their own mothers for the money the Biotech industrial complex pays them to always find in their favor. Beside their findings on this have been proven false they are a joke!

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Wonder if we are going into a Mexican stand off here, Serali said he wouldn't release further information about the specific details of his study until the public is provided with the safety testing documentation used to justify the release of NK603 corn.

He also didn't want EFSA doing the independant evaluation as he believes they are biased as do a few MEP's (members of the european parliment).

So when is EFSA going to release the scientific study information they used to say NK603 is safe into the public domain ?

Originally posted by hawkiye

Yeah some bought and paid for political hacks whose word means nothing. They will sell their own mothers for the money the Biotech industrial complex pays them to always find in their favor. Beside their findings on this have been proven false they are a joke!

I am sorry, but such argumentation is not allowed when scientific studies are debated. If you are claiming the EFSA was bribed to draw this conclusion you are obligated to provide the evidence.

This is why you can't stop Genetically Modified Food.

When Ronald Reagan became President the country was broke. He created little Trust Funds for each Federal Agency and put a little money in them and told them to go out and abroad to invest.....so they have some income coming in to operate off of, or fund their retirement funds.

Guess who REALLY owns the Genetically Modified Food companies?

For some odd reason the Pentagon's Military Retiree Trust Fund has been growing leaps and bounds and has enough money in it today to pay the Nations retired military for 10+ years without 1 penny of Federal Appropriations.


That's why you can't stop Genetically Modified Food. It's a TAX. Their taking your health away to keep it going since there's no more tax money to get to keep it going. That's also why the military's got a personal agenda against people growing their own food. You growing your own food hurts their funding. Zaaap....your pepper plants just got too much UV light from a laser.....go buy your GM Food or DIE.

Originally posted by SCITK

Originally posted by hawkiye

Yeah some bought and paid for political hacks whose word means nothing. They will sell their own mothers for the money the Biotech industrial complex pays them to always find in their favor. Beside their findings on this have been proven false they are a joke!

I am sorry, but such argumentation is not allowed when scientific studies are debated. If you are claiming the EFSA was bribed to draw this conclusion you are obligated to provide the evidence.

I am not obligated to do anything there is plenty of evidence do your homework or risk yours and your famileis health and well being. The Biotech companies are obligated to prove their garbage is safe for human consumption (not me) before it is even allowed access to the public. They have not! And we are their friggen guinea pigs! The EFSA's constant rubber stamp of endorsing anything these criminals do is evidence enough that they are all rotten to the core! Wake up!