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Originally posted by DirtyD
reply to post by mideast
Obama is a peaceful person and that is why war-mongers want to topple him down.
Ha! Does a peaceful person carpet bomb a country (Libya) under the guise of a UN No Fly Zone? Does a peaceful person keep a hit list and execute supposed terrorists, including US citizens with Predator Drones? Does a peaceful person supply arms to extremists to topple foreign regimes? Does a peaceful person sign into law a measure that allows government to indefinitely detain its citizens without due process? Just what is your definition of a peaceful person? I guess when when we start raining death on Iran you'll classify that as a peaceful act. Get a clue, just because a man has a Nobel Peace Prize, doesn't make him peaceful. Remember the award is named after the man who invented dynamite.
Quibbling over the magnitude of a politicians corruption is like arguing about the color of the potholes on Main street. Moot.
Immigrants from different nations can move to a nation and accept a new national identity. Hundreds of millions of Americans and Australians are the result of such an arrangement. The immigrants can meet up at folk culture festivals where they partake of each other's national foods or they can stick to their own foods-- it doesn't make that much of a difference except for when politicians running for office gain 40 pounds eating bratwurst, pizza and bagels and drinking Guinness at campaign events.
When there is a strong national identity, either former or present, there is rarely a conflict between religious identity and national identity. Those conflicts have usually been settled in the past in some uneasy, but final way, that allows everyone to believe what they want to believe without turning that belief into the defining form of national identity. That way one can be a good Englishman without being a member of the Church of England or a good Frenchmen without being a member of the Catholic Church. Arriving at that point was not easy, but it ended the religious wars of Europe.
Muslims do not have a strong national identity. Their nations are a hodgepodge of military dictators, colonial leftovers and tribal alliances. Their societies are "multicultural" in the sense that they are composed of numerous hostile ethnic groups, tribes and families who are united only by a common religion. This unity is fragile, but it is the most common form of unity that they have and they value it far more than national identity.
To the Muslim, his nation is a fleeting thing, a historical accident by a colonial mapmaker digging up ancient names and drawing lines that cut across the lines of ethnic and tribal migrations, but his religion, though he understands very little of it, is a fine and great thing that has long preceded the nation and means far more to him than the nation does.
Even Muslims in moderate countries poll as identifying more with Islam than with a political faction or national identity. That is why what happened when Muslim democracy was unleashed on the Muslim World was completely inevitable. Muslims chose the one form of identity that they could agree on. It was an identity that excluded Christians, but democracy draws a circle around the largest number of people and outside Lebanon and Israel, those people are all Muslims.
sultanknish.blogspot.com...
Muslims bridge multiculturalism through religion and they do not accept any form of national identity that is not based on religious unity. That is what the Arab Spring really meant.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by mideast
You can't compare Obama to Bush, after years of research and digging, I finally got to watch 2016,
All true, he is an anti colonialist, hell bent on making his fathers dream come true, using the national dept as a weapon of mass destruction, for one, something I had thought all along,
It is worse than in your wildest imagination and if you have been following closely, he sides with Islam because their movement is one of religious fervor mixed with anti colonialism, yes they want to bring down the west, yes without a doubt.
Originally posted by Valhall
He's lied about his time as a "law professor".
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
All true, he is an anti colonialist, hell bent on making his fathers dream come true, using the national dept as a weapon of mass destruction, for one, something I had thought all along
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Then you have no problem with THIS Photographic Reply...........
As I see it, we need to start new, by sweeping it ALL out.
MHO.
Originally posted by Valhall
Originally posted by TheOneElectric
Your tears will be delicious come November 8th, and not because I'm an Obama supporter, but mainly because I enjoy watching conservative moan.
And that statement rectifies the issue at hand how? How does your sentiments toward "conservatives" address the fact the man has been and is still operating in a manner that calls for criminal charges? How does your statement address that he has presented himself as having been and having done things that are simply untrue? How does that fix the ethical issues and malfeasance of his LIFE? And how does that make him "okay" in light of the way he has acted?
Exactly what part of your voiced hatred toward the political side you are "against" makes these things okay?
Originally posted by olaru12
Just a little peek into the future....
Mitt get's elected, the environment gets much more polluted with offshore drilling and the relaxing of EPA rules, the economy still tanks, we have new wars in the ME, more and more stringent Dept of Homeland security rules, loss of right to assemble, more invasive intrusion into our private lives, war on drugs renewed with a vengeance and more private prisons built to house the potheads, strict regulation on the www, jobless ness at a full 30%, food and gas rationing [for the war effort], the draft will be reinstated, Canada and Mexico will have armed guards on their borders, etc.
And it's all Obamas fault........
Originally posted by Wolfenz
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Then you have no problem with THIS Photographic Reply...........
As I see it, we need to start new, by sweeping it ALL out.
MHO.
you got that right Sonny
I See........... the Two Fasces on the Wall
An Fascism Symbol
People Must be Blind
Originally posted by Valhall
reply to post by takaris7
Actually, yes, I was right here. If you had taken a few minutes to do a little research, you would know that and not be looking silly for asking me a question for which the answer is readily available right here on this board.
Seriously...I will get you a jump to conclusions mat so that you don't step in doodoo next time you take that leap.