End of the American dream, who will replace the United States Of America ?

Inequality and poverty are increasing: according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 37 million people, or 12.6% of the population would be in a situation of absolute poverty (able to survive strictly). Since 1999, the number of individuals who have joined this category is increasing. While the economic recovery that began in late 2001 should have made a positive impact on the statistics the 2008 crisis only made it worst.
Moreover, the official measure of poverty remains a controversial issue: if we use, as often in international comparisons, a relative indicator (defined as half the median household income), poverty affects more than one-fifth population (21.1%). Whatever the measures, there is at best a persistence of poverty since 1970. When was launched the "Great Society" by President Johnson, we predicted the eradication of poverty by 1980...

Certain social programs have yet proven effective in the fight against poverty, including Social Security. According to data from the Committee on Ways and Means of the House of Representatives, the pension system alone subtracts an increasing number of elderly in poverty: 8.9 million in 1979 and 13.1 million in 2002. In contrast, social assistance programs, which are specifically designed to help the low-income population, have a more limited scope: monetary aid programs in particular, such as TANF (Temporary Assistance for Needy Families) or tax credits covered only a quarter of the poor.

An important feature of the poor is that it seems to follow the flow of mass consumption: 78% of the poor have a DVD player . They also represent an increasing share of households owning their home. But the manufactured goods are not everything and access to real property is not safe for these vulnerable populations. The downside is firstly an unhealthy life: more than half of the poor face problems of malnutrition, they are most affected by obesity and diabetes. The rate of people infected with the AIDS virus is higher in Washington dc than most African capitals.




Many also face massive debt: almost a third of poor families spend more than 40% of their income to pay their debts. The inequalities in income and wages are high and have increased; unsurprisingly, those in wealth are even more pronounced. The concentration of wealth is as simple about one third is held by the richest percentage of the population, one third is held by 9% following the last third and the last 90%.

Let's face it, America is going down and fast.

In reference to Jacques Attali’s work (French economist), there has been 9 economical “cores” (Center of the world) since the birth of capitalism.

1. Bruges with the central rudder stock
2. Venice with the caravel
3. Antwerp with printing
4. Genoa and accounting
5. Amsterdam with the fluyt
6. London and the steam engine
7. Boston and the piston engine
8. New York with the electric engine
9. Los Angeles and the microchip

List from Wikipedia : en.wikipedia.org...

Now my question to ATS is this, since the economical cores have been moving across the globe since Bruges, where do you think the next “center of the world ” will be ?

My Guess is one of these four : Brasil, China, Russia or India

One thing is for sure, America will not remain the economic leader of tomorrow.

My guess will be the Pacific in general. With India and China competing, it should make for an interesting time economically. Not to mention all of the other countries which will contribute to the Pacific area. Australia, Thailand, Japan...It will be intriguing.

nothing lasts forever

the next economy will probably be water/resources driven

US is doing OK with water, china has polluted all if its water.

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I think we're missing the point. The world doesn't have room for one or two superpowers anymore. Everyone is so afraid of the NWO but in today's economy we thrive together or we fall together as a world not a nation. The American dream will never die and of course we have problems but the poor of China and India with their massive populations and extreme poverty is far beyond the poverty of the US. Our poor live like kings compared to their poor.

Maybe if the world worked together we wouldn't have to live in such fear of countries falling and poverty rising. although i believe some people on ATS really wish for poverty in the US...

End of the American dream, who will replace the United States Of America ?

The world needs more third world nations?

Maybe, we should take the US of A as a cautionary tale........How not to do it!

If any of you are left in a couple hundred years I guess you will have your answer.

Originally posted by JDmOKI
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I think we're missing the point. The world doesn't have room for one or two superpowers anymore. Everyone is so afraid of the NWO but in today's economy we thrive together or we fall together as a world not a nation. The American dream will never die and of course we have problems but the poor of China and India with their massive populations and extreme poverty is far beyond the poverty of the US. Our poor live like kings compared to their poor.

Maybe if the world worked together we wouldn't have to live in such fear of countries falling and poverty rising. although i believe some people on ATS really wish for poverty in the US...

I understand that this is scary information but to refuse to acknowledge the fact is not patriotism. Our poors do not live like kings and it just keeps on getting worst. A lot of countries are now sitting on 15% + economic growth while we stay at around 2% and poverty keeps on rising.

Originally posted by MrSpad
If any of you are left in a couple hundred years I guess you will have your answer.

Are you kidding me? This is going to happen in less than 40 years.

Originally posted by syrinx high priest
nothing lasts forever

the next economy will probably be water/resources driven

US is doing OK with water, china has polluted all if its water.

You may want to do some checking we are selling our water off at a alarming rate. Jesse Ventura did a show about it. Right now water is more profitable than oil.

It will be called the North America Union, there will be no borders and no freedoms.

All will be slaves and all will deserve it.

Originally posted by ExNihilo

Originally posted by MrSpad
If any of you are left in a couple hundred years I guess you will have your answer.

Are you kidding me? This is going to happen in less than 40 years.

More like the next 5 years

The thing is American poor are still much better off than the poor in almost every other nation.

Originally posted by SG-17
The thing is American poor are still much better off than the poor in almost every other nation.

No they are not.

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If you were poor would you rather be poor in the USA or... China, Brazil, Russia, or India. I really wanna know your answer.

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When I look at that map, I don't really see doom and gloom. The majority of the nation is at 10-15%. Let's face facts. There will always be poor people. Some through no fault of their own, others because their flat out idiots.

I look forward to people reconnecting and returning to community. I think that is happening as I type.

Originally posted by ExNihilo

Originally posted by SG-17
The thing is American poor are still much better off than the poor in almost every other nation.

No they are not.

I'm considered to be living at the upper poverty level and I think I am doing rather well.

Probably because I have my financial act together where most Americans don't.